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gaizka22 22-08-2009 07:54

Something that I believe quite relevant to our new season which will start in a few hours time.

Imagine this situation :

After one unsucessful season, your team replaced the highly respectful coach and in his place the club brought an unexperienced guy. In the 4 first game of the season, the club only managed to get 2 draws and 2 wins. From those 4 games, only 4 goals were scored (and conceded 2) and those came from 2 penalties and 2 own goals. In terms of signing, only 2 notable players came; a defensive midfield and an aging striker who 3-4 seasons ago finished as the league’s top scorer but unwanted by his team so he ended up in your team. To make things worse, this aging striker was loaned from your club’s bitter rival. The only positive aspect is that after 4 games the club is still on top 4 in the standing because other teams did worse.

Now let’s just say this club referred to here is AC Milan.
Would you say Milan is having a convincing season so far? Do you think Milan will eventually end up having succesful season? Knowing this forum, I believe the answer to both question will be NO along with some comments how the club made a huge mistake in trusting the young manager.

Now, if someone say AC Milan in season 91/92, what comes to our collective mind? The 12th scudetto. The unbeaten season that extended until season 92/93. MvBasten’s 25 goals. The entertaining attacking play. The 2.15 goals/game (in the last 22 years, only season 05/06 was better with 2.24 goals/game). The goal fests (5-0 vs Napoli, 5-0 vs Samp, 8-2 vs Foggia). It was a historical season and basically had everything that made some us started supporting Milan and still continue to do so.

But at the start season 91/92 if someone would predict Milan would achieve that much, nobody will believe it. Because all of the above situations that I mentioned all came from this season 91/92 which is also Fabio Capello’s first season at Milan. He liberated Milan players to play, unlike Sacchi who limited the player’s creativity and forced-feed them to play his strategy.

What we face this season is quite similar. We have a young unknown coach in Leonardo and the team is facing some uncertainty whether we can continue to be successful after Ancelotti’s reign is over. In transfer, only had Onyewu, Silva and Huntelaar as notable signings; similar to the signings of Diego Fuser and Aldo Serena from Inter. And look at the result of the first 4 games : Ascoli (A) : 0-1: OG (39); Cagliari (H): 1-0 : Van Basten (P1); Juve (A) : 1-1: OG (90); Genoa (H) : 1-1 : Van Basten (P86). We only started to take off after the 5th game and only drew 2 games out of the next 14 games.

The only major difference is the quality of players. 91/92 had the players that could still send shivers to any opposing team’s spine. Baresi, Tasotti, Maldini, Costacurta, Donadoni, Ancelotti, Rijkaard, Massaro, Fuser, Gullit, Van Basten. We also have the young Albertini in the squad. So we can safely say that the core of the team is still intact and is still very strong. In 09/10 we had what some people say ‘has-been’ players or players whose best days is nearing the end like Seedorf, Pirlo, Dida, Gattuso, Nesta, Zambrotta, Ambrosini, Ronaldinho and Inzaghi. Only Pato and the new boy Huntelaar is expected to bring fear to the opponent’s defender.

What I’m trying to mention here, let’s give this new squad and this season a try. Who knows what will happen.

Ashish 23-08-2009 02:33

phew leo will win a treble

that xl sheet is legendary

gaizka22 24-08-2009 14:18

A newly revised and much updated Excel file of Milan History. Less than 3MB so it shouldn't be too hard to download. Enjoy :)

http://sharebee.com/56b16e68
http://www.speedyshare.com/512163341.html

FaraJ 24-08-2009 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaizka22 (Post 567232)
A newly revised and much updated Excel file of Milan History. Less than 3MB so it shouldn't be too hard to download. Enjoy :)

http://sharebee.com/56b16e68
http://www.speedyshare.com/512163341.html

That's amazing work, gaizka! Thanks a lot!!!! :proud:

dev1L 07-09-2009 23:00
































Sasha 08-09-2009 06:08

Serginho, Sheva, old school Dida... :proud:

dev1L 08-09-2009 14:51






Ashish 13-09-2009 06:58

third goal never ceases to amaze me :eek:


Edi 16-09-2009 12:01

Ah the good times:proud:

Ashish 17-09-2009 04:13

hope you are alright gunnar nordahl :D

http://www.beeswaxcandleco.com/images/info.jpg


just remembered kuzis old sig :D

Ashish 17-09-2009 07:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaizka22 (Post 567232)
A newly revised and much updated Excel file of Milan History. Less than 3MB so it shouldn't be too hard to download. Enjoy :)

http://sharebee.com/56b16e68
http://www.speedyshare.com/512163341.html

:star: :eek: thats too much data

i bow in front of you

Sod-Lod 17-09-2009 15:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaizka22 (Post 567232)
A newly revised and much updated Excel file of Milan History. Less than 3MB so it shouldn't be too hard to download. Enjoy :)

http://sharebee.com/56b16e68
http://www.speedyshare.com/512163341.html

Thanks Dude :)

Lisa 18-09-2009 20:41

For those of you who have ESPN Classic Italia, from September 21st - October 2nd they are showing 10 AC Milan games from 2003, 2004, and 2005.

Sampdoria – Milan, 26/10/2003: lunedì 21 alle 23.00
Roma – Milan, 06/01/2004: martedì 22 alle 23.00
Milan – Ancona, 25/01/2004: mercoledì 23 alle 23.00
Milan – Inter, 21/02/2004: giovedì 24 alle 23.00
Juventus – Milan, 14/03/2004: venerdì 25 alle 23.00
Milan – Roma, 02/05/2004: lunedì 28 alle 23.00
Milan – Brescia, 16/05/2004: martedì 29 alle 23.00
Milan – Fiorentina, 12/12/2004: mercoledì 30 alle 23.00
Milan – Lecce, 06/01/2005: giovedì 01 alle 23.00
Milan – Udinese, 16/01/2005: venerdì 02 alle 23.00

Jasper 26-09-2009 10:26

While Rivera was our Golden Boy and got the Ballon d'or in 1969, our hero in the final was Pierino Prati. Here's that hat-trick against Ajax in 1969 final:
1-0 vs Ajax (ECC Final) 68-69
2-0 vs Ajax (ECC Final) 68-69***
4-1 vs Ajax (ECC Final) 68-69
panna vs Ajax (ECC Final) 68-69

gaizka22 27-09-2009 07:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasper (Post 588854)
While Rivera was our Golden Boy and got the Ballon d'or in 1969, our hero in the final was Pierino Prati. Here's that hat-trick against Ajax in 1969 final:
1-0 vs Ajax (ECC Final) 68-69
2-0 vs Ajax (ECC Final) 68-69***
4-1 vs Ajax (ECC Final) 68-69
panna vs Ajax (ECC Final) 68-69

I can't access the vids but there's 1 goal from the final where Rivera dribbled past the Ajax defense and goalie but waited a little bit more so that he can create an assist. Superb skill. It seemed to me he was happier making assists than scoring goals.
The goal kinda remind me of Pippo's goal in CL 07/08 vs Benfica from Pirlo's assist.

Wet Ones 27-09-2009 08:00

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Originally Posted by gaizka22 (Post 589280)
I can't access the vids but there's 1 goal from the final where Rivera dribbled past the Ajax defense and goalie but waited a little bit more so that he can create an assist. Superb skill. It seemed to me he was happier making assists than scoring goals.
The goal kinda remind me of Pippo's goal in CL 07/08 vs Benfica from Pirlo's assist.

Was thinking about the same thing.

That was the final goal I think. He played a one-two and dribbled past a couple of defenders and the keeper as well I think. He waited, however, because he dragged himself a little too wide and it was safer to assist than attempt a shot himself.

Can't believe that fag had the nerve to compare himself to Rivera :head:

Jasper 27-09-2009 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaizka22 (Post 589280)
I can't access the vids but there's 1 goal from the final where Rivera dribbled past the Ajax defense and goalie but waited a little bit more so that he can create an assist. Superb skill. It seemed to me he was happier making assists than scoring goals.
The goal kinda remind me of Pippo's goal in CL 07/08 vs Benfica from Pirlo's assist.

Do you want the videos and can't get them or just access see them at the office?

Don't know enough about Rivera to think if he was happier scoring or assisting since all the stuff I have (seen) about him is in Italian. It has sort of similar dynamic to Pippo's goal vs Benfica but there Kaka And Pirlo made the same work Rivera did single-handedly.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wet Ones (Post 589281)
Was thinking about the same thing.

That was the final goal I think. He played a one-two and dribbled past a couple of defenders and the keeper as well I think. He waited, however, because he dragged himself a little too wide and it was safer to assist than attempt a shot himself.


Yeah it was the last goal. And it's true he did play himself out of the position a bit(a number nine - say Vieri - would have gone for glory I think), but there are hints that diving wasn't as popular then as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wet Ones (Post 589281)
Can't believe that fag had the nerve to compare himself to Rivera :head:

Well, roughly, gaizka did it too and you 'were thinking about the same thing'.

Wet Ones 27-09-2009 12:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasper (Post 589295)
Well, roughly, gaizka did it too and you 'were thinking about the same thing'.

I was thinking about that assist after you posted the goals (didn't download them like Gaiz). But in no way did Pirlo ever come into the picture for me.

And I am referring to Rivera as a whole. Not just that assist. The guy was an attacking force. He got into the box more in one game than Fag did in a whole season.

gaizka22 27-09-2009 16:17

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Originally Posted by Jasper (Post 589295)
Do you want the videos and can't get them or just access see them at the office?
l [/I]

Thanks, but I have the DVD of that goal. I wanted to see the video when I was replying to ur post to remind about that goal :).

gaizka22 27-09-2009 16:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wet Ones (Post 589312)
I was thinking about that assist after you posted the goals (didn't download them like Gaiz). But in no way did Pirlo ever come into the picture for me.

And I am referring to Rivera as a whole. Not just that assist. The guy was an attacking force. He got into the box more in one game than Fag did in a whole season.

Agree with ur comment. Rivera was an attacking force and in 72/73 became the league's top scorer with 17 goals. But about the fact that Rivera went forward more often than Pirlo, don't u think it has something to do with their position in the field? Rivera plays behind the 2 strikers like Kaka while Pirlo played in front of the defense the way Ancelotti wanted him. So chances are, he's in the box less.

On the comparison between the 2, I guess any similarity is more to the slow and indirect style of play that they displayed. In fact in Pirlo's hey day in 02-04, even Rivera mentioned that Pirlo is his closest heir when it comes to style of play. The only difference is, Rivera did it for nearly 20 years while Pirlo can't even do it constantly in 3 consecutive seasons. Some of you will surely jump at this comment by saying Pirlo can't even do it for 2 consecutive games.


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