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radioactivenerd 24-01-2009 23:09

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Originally Posted by Jasper (Post 546248)
I enjoyed both 1-0 victories to the fullest. Most of the talk was about how United are favourites and this and that. We went on the field and had answer to everything. Whatever they wanted to do we eliminated the thought before they invented it. Such a tactical K.O. Along with the win in Munich 2007 these are sort of a biggest wins of Christmas tree.

Those were fabulous games...i still think the 4-3-2-1 is the best suited to knock out other teams in the CL stages. We completely tactically outclassed them and i remember Purple-Furgle wondering whether Cafu has two hearts after that way he ran up and down his flank at his age. And im not going to mention the fact that Crespo scored both goals or i might never stop typing. :D

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Didn't find your view from that game thread and I have to say my answer in Estonian was way better containing a victorious smile walk through a pub full of ManU fans who were delirious and tried to hassle me when I told them the truth(In San Siro? No way. You're as good as out after tonight). Still there was one interesting answer to bring out anywayz. lol.
Dont forget Andy Gray's overy pedantic and pseudo-precocious prediction about how Milan have no players that scare him, and that Seedorf and Ambrosini are worth nothing. That entire article of his was pulled off the website within 12 hours of Manure being banished from Milan with their tails between their legs.

gaizka22 25-01-2009 04:12

[QUOTE=crazy4milan;546492]Really? Cause I even remember Weah celebrating with a shirt and all and the commentators talking about it, and I can almost guarantee you that I didn't watch the game vs Vicenza nor the highlights.[\QUOTE]
You're correct and I humbly stand corrected :). I counted back from the end of the season and it turned out he didn't play vs Sampdoria, which is the next game after Vicenza. I remember that shirt pulling and how he got warm applause from Milan fans travelling to Udine when he was substituted by Ganz minutes after he scored his goal.

Hats off to you.

Wet Ones 25-01-2009 06:20

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Originally Posted by gaizka22 (Post 546530)
You're correct and I humbly stand corrected :).

This just can't be possible :eek:


That's it. The world is coming to an end :cry:

Beemer 25-01-2009 06:48

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Originally Posted by Jotaro (Post 546548)
This just can't be possible :eek:

That's it. The world is coming to an end :cry:

Any last requests? :)

crazy4milan 25-01-2009 15:02

[QUOTE=gaizka22;546530]
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Originally Posted by crazy4milan (Post 546492)
Really? Cause I even remember Weah celebrating with a shirt and all and the commentators talking about it, and I can almost guarantee you that I didn't watch the game vs Vicenza nor the highlights.[\QUOTE]
You're correct and I humbly stand corrected :). I counted back from the end of the season and it turned out he didn't play vs Sampdoria, which is the next game after Vicenza. I remember that shirt pulling and how he got warm applause from Milan fans travelling to Udine when he was substituted by Ganz minutes after he scored his goal.

Hats off to you.


I made Gaizka stand corrected.
Wow. :proud:

gaizka22 25-01-2009 18:32

[QUOTE=crazy4milan;546902]
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Originally Posted by gaizka22 (Post 546530)


I made Gaizka stand corrected.
Wow. :proud:

LOL.. and as the result Milan won big time today. Maybe I should make more mistakes and we'll end up being Scudetto winner :D

Another proof that statistic can never beat passion and emotion :)

radioactivenerd 25-01-2009 19:24

So has Maldini ever got a red card in a game? straight red even? I dont remember seeing him ever get sent off, but ive only been following for about 12 years, and even in that i havent watched every single milan game.
Id be realy surprised if hes actually been sent off with a straight red - if he did, it must have been VERY early on in his career.

Lisa 25-01-2009 20:57

^He received a red card in the 2003-2004 season; that has been his only red since 1999.
Haven't found anything before 1999, maybe gaizka or c4m will know.

crazy4milan 25-01-2009 21:32

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Originally Posted by Lisa (Post 547262)
^He received a red card in the 2003-2004 season; that has been his only red since 1999.
Haven't found anything before 1999, maybe gaizka or c4m will know.

AFAIK I remember the one vs Ancona (which is the one you mentioned). And he received a match or 2 for kicking Bierhoff the year before, but that was via video evidence. I think I read somewhere he had like 5 red cards.

Milan14Legend 25-01-2009 22:33

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Originally Posted by gaizka22 (Post 545559)
9. 05/06 vs Juventus – Home (3-1)
We were very very good (and Sheva didn't play, Buffon was injured and Juve didn't field Abiatti afraid he will give us the upper hand, who was their goalie? I forgot, all I remember was his blunder for Pirlo goal). The sight of Nesta, Stam and Dida ganged up on Mutu is unforgettable. So was Maldini calming down Rino who clearly won the battle vs Vieira. Followed by next game 5-1 win vs Udinese

He was Chimenti. Abbiati didn't play because the loan agreement included that he couldn't play against Milan.

gaizka22 27-01-2009 08:46

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Originally Posted by Lisa (Post 547262)
^He received a red card in the 2003-2004 season; that has been his only red since 1999.
Haven't found anything before 1999, maybe gaizka or c4m will know.

I don't keep track of yellow or red cards :D

Suspension from 2 yellows, he got some. I remember he didn't play in the Inter Derby in season 03/04 (can't remember which one, the 3-1 or 3-2 win) because of 2 yellows. But mostly, he's quite clean as a defender.

Ashish 27-01-2009 09:25

EDIT wrong thread

Wet Ones 27-01-2009 09:51

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Originally Posted by gaizka22 (Post 547701)
I don't keep track of yellow or red cards :D

Suspension from 2 yellows, he got some. I remember he didn't play in the Inter Derby in season 03/04 (can't remember which one, the 3-1 or 3-2 win) because of 2 yellows. But mostly, he's quite clean as a defender.


Not sure how accurate this information is.


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He has played 23 years for the same club, which is a milestone in and of itself. He has been the Milan captain since 1997, and was the Italy captain from 1994 to 2002. In both instances, he succeeded Franco Baresi. When he retires in May, Italian calcio and world football will commemorate a player for the ages: Paolo Maldini.

Total Appearances, Red Cards, and Goals
126 for the Italian National Team (He was the captain 64 times).
874 for AC Milan, where he debuted in January 1985 as a 16 year old against Udinese.
According to GFDb, since 1999, he has had only 1 red card. (To the best of my knowledge, he was never red carded playing for Italy).
He has scored 43 goals in his career.

Career Honors
7 Serie A championships.
5 European Cup/Champions League titles. He has played in 8 final games, and that ties him with Paco Gento of Real Madrid for the record.
5 UEFA and Serie A Super Cups.
Record holder for appearances at AC Milan, the Serie A, and the Italian National Team.
Intercontinental Cup Champion in 1989 and 1990.
Bronze medal at World Cup 1990.
Silver medal at World Cup 1994.
World Soccer Magazine Player of the Year in 1994.
Silver medal at Euro 2000.
FIFA’s Best 125 living players.
He competed at 4 World Cup competitions, along with three European Nations Cups.
He played for the Azzurri from 1988 to 2002.
23 completed games at the World Cup, which is a record. (Lothar Matthäus played in 25 games, which is the record for most appearances).
2006-07 UEFA Club Defender of the Year.
2007 FIFA World Club Champion.
http://www.gfdb.com/Player.4937.Paolo-Maldini.aspx

ριρρσ мισ 28-01-2009 00:02

Maldini has received 3 red cards throughout his entire career.

acerвιc wιт 29-01-2009 12:09

The red card GFDb are refering to is the one Paolo picked up against Ancona on the first match day of the 2003/2004 season.

radioactivenerd 29-01-2009 13:14

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Originally Posted by San Paolo (Post 548870)
The red card GFDb are refering to is the one Paolo picked up against Ancona on the first match day of the 2003/2004 season.

that was presumably a straight red? what was the offence?

acerвιc wιт 29-01-2009 14:36

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Originally Posted by radioactivenerd (Post 548886)
that was presumably a straight red? what was the offence?

I think it was due to a retaliation to a vicious tackle he was involved in.

psycho_dad 02-02-2009 11:16

For those who speak Italian, there is a very nice story of a magnificent striker :)
http://www.josealtafini.it/LaStoria/...S/Default.aspx

gaizka22 02-02-2009 16:00

A strange yet exciting story from ESPN about one of Milan's biggest flop : Luther Blissett

A name to be conjured with

As a former holder of the European Golden Boot, one of the first black players to play for England and a one-time big signing for AC Milan, the name Luther Blissett should be synonymous with that of a successful 1980s striker.

Yet the Jamaican-born Watford legend, who celebrates his 51st birthday on Sunday, has found that his name has a life of its own. As far as we at Soccernet know, there are few footballers who have had their monicker adopted as a nom de plume or collective alias for Bolognese militant activists in performances, media hoaxes, and the production of radical theory, a movement which has spread far beyond Italy's borders.

In Italy, Blissett the player is remembered as the flop of all flops, a big-money buy at £1m (then still a huge fee) who returned back to Watford at a loss of £550,000. So bad in fact, that he was good.

Every team has a player made a fans' favourite for uselessness past; Liverpool fans have Istvan Kozma, Manchester United fans still sing the name of Ralph Milne, Arsenal reminisce about Glenn Helder, while Chelsea fans giggle at the memory of Nikola Jokanovic. AC Milan have Blissett, a reminder of a tawdry 1983/84 season in the era that preceded their return to the pinnacle of European football.

It is unlikely that any of the aforementioned have been adopted as the name of an anarchist collective or been the given author of an award-winning and best-selling novel. Yet his route to Italian ignominy is one to be applauded. Playing at a time when black players were still relatively rare in British football, with attendant racism still a very big problem, Blissett was a strong and mobile centre-forward whose goals helped propel Watford up through the divisions. Owned by Elton John and managed by a young Graham Taylor, Watford were the miracle club of the late 70s, arriving in the old First Division in 1982, having been on the bottom rung just five years earlier.

Blissett's athleticism and bulk made him the ideal player for Taylor's tactics of getting the ball up the field as quickly as possible. Ever a willing runner, his aerial power saw him capitalise on quality service provided by two excellent wingers in Nigel Callaghan and John Barnes. The 1982/83 season was his annus mirabilis, as he powered in 27 goals while the Hornets enjoyed the best season in their entire history, finishing runners-up to Liverpool. He ended the season as the top goalscorer in any European league.

That season had seen him been handed his first England cap against West Germany in October 1982. His second international saw him grab a hat-trick. The opponents may have been Luxembourg but it signalled his potential as an England striker of the future. Unfortunately, by the time he arrived in Milan, he had failed to score in his next seven international appearances and was already saddled with a tabloid nickname of "Luther Missit"; a portent of things to come at San Siro.

This juncture seems a good time to bury one of the myths about AC Milan signing him. An apocryphal tale of the Italian club signing the wrong black Watford player when they really wanted John Barnes instead of Blissett was surely born of a lack of political correctness. As respected Italian-American journalist Gabriele Marcotti told The Guardian in 2005, "even the most ignorant and provincial person could see that Blissett and Barnes looked absolutely nothing alike. Second, the fact is that at that time Milan were looking for an out-and-out goalscorer and Barnes just wasn't that type of player."

Barnes, as a winger, was not the type of player wanted in the Italian game of the time. Added to that, his fabled solo goal for England in Rio did not happen until the summer of 1984 and, at just 19, he was not the player he would be later in the eighties. Further evidence to destroy the tale's veracity is Milan's signing of Mark Hateley, a similarly direct English-style forward, to replace Blissett. Watford may have been surprised at the money they received but Milan definitely got their man. Joe Jordan, in many ways the archetypal target man, had been at Milan until the summer of 1983.

There is mitigation for the disaster that followed. When Milan signed Blissett, they were not the dominant superclub of latterday times. They had spent the 1982/83 season in Serie B after being relegated after 1981/82 as they struggled to overcome the fall-out of their implication in a 1980 betting scandal that had seen them demoted as punishment.

Seven goals in pre-season had increased the hype about Blissett and the Italian press got excited. Those signals proved to be misguided and lampoonery soon set in. He would have to wait until deep into September until his first goal, against Joe Jordan's Hellas Verona. The next strike, on 30 October, was not succeeded until January 8. That foundation was not built upon until April 29 where a run of two goals in two matches followed in away wins at Torino and Pisa. Not only that, his first penalty for the club has rebounded somewhere off the seats in the back of the San Siro stand.

As a series of inexplicable misses piled up, he became victim of another silly rumour; his brother had made the trip to Italy in his stead.

Just five goals all season saw him greeted with derision and compared to seventies Rossoneri flop Egidio Calloni by legendary Italian journalist Gianni Brera. Watford's modus operandi was as far removed from the ponderous form of calcio played in the era as it was possible to be and Blissett's lack of finesse made him a figure of comedy and abuse, sadly some of it racial. After he returned home to Watford in the summer of 1984, opinions soon softened in Italy as fans began to regard their former anti-hero with ironic nostalgia.

Blissett was hailed by professional Inter fan Tomasso Pellizzari as fourth in his list of favourite ever Rossoneri behind Calloni, Patrick Kluivert and Giuseppe Farina, the owner who bought Blissett and eventually had to sell the club to Silvio Berlusconi before, bankrupt, he was forced to escape to South Africa in disgrace.

Back on home soil, Luther Loide Blissett the player had two more spells with Watford either side of three years with Harry Redknapp at Bournemouth where the "Luther Missit" headline resurfaced after a catastrophic FA Cup howler against Manchester United in 1989. At Vicarage Road, his 186 strikes in 503 matches make him the all-time Hornets leader in both goals and appearances. He was later assistant coach as part of Graham Taylor's second coming. He would also occasionally return to Italy to commentate on Serie A matches being beamed back in Britain.

By then, there was more than one Luther Blissett in the Italian public conscious. It was now a multiple use name used by hundreds of artists and social activists. Why has never been made clear though some theories place the John Barnes yarn as being the reason; a reference to a red herring. One story, again proved to be a falsehood, had a collection of bus passengers in Rome refusing to pay their fares and all giving their name as "Luther Blissett" to police.

More truthful was a group of Blissetts from Bologna carrying out a scam on a 1995 Italian TV show dedicated to finding missing persons. They staged a search for a fictitious British motorcyclist called Harry Kipper and the TV station even went as far as sending a film crew to London before "Luther Blissett" admitted responsibility for the scam. Weirder still was a faked campaign of black masses and satanic ritual abuse that created serious moral panic in Italy in 1997 before a hoax was eventually owned up to.

In 2007, a group of "Luther Blissets" created a storm when they reportedly gave away the ending to the final Harry Potter novel and claimed to have stolen the text from the book's publishers. The stunt appeared across the world's media until its untruth was admitted in a public email.

The bestselling historical novel "Q", set amid 16th century Protestant reformations in Lutheran Germany, was composed by Roberto Bui, Giovanni Cattabriga, Federico Guglielmi and Luca Di Meo, who chose the striker's name to be the author's name on the cover. The quartet later renamed themselves "Wu Ming"; Chinese for nothing.

Amidst this oddity, Blissett himself has remained sanguine. His public statements on the matter have shown admirable levity at the situation. After first describing himself as "not pleased" he later said: "It doesn't bother me at all, knowing some people use my name as a "multiple name" does not confuse me. When I look in the mirror, I do not see another Luther." He later appeared on a British TV show saying, in Italian, that "anyone can be Luther Blissett simply by adopting the name Luther Blissett", showing that he is at peace with having his name purloined for anti-establishment practice.

From struggling striker and salacious rumour to the "I'm Spartacus" of anarcho-collectives and social activists, Luther Blissett's Italian adventure was truly an odyssey of oddity.

crazy4milan 02-02-2009 16:14

LOL to the last few paragraphs, his such a legend :star:

About a year ago or so I saw a video of him with us missing the impossible against Inter, believe me when I say the impossible, he was in the line and all he had to do was push the ball.


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