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Dzidzius 20-04-2010 01:37

Real Madrid bid 30million and got rejected. I don`t think anyone would/should pay that money anyway

Sven 20-04-2010 08:22

Neymar will certainly not leave Brazil for now. His father said it so many times that he thinks Neymar is too young to face a change of country.

Also, Santos know he could be worth a lot more in one or two years. They already made it before with Robinho.

Sven 20-04-2010 08:33

And the journalist is right pointing that in Brazil it's much more easy to play in the first half of the year than in the second half. Last year Internacional made more than 100 goals in this part of the season with a very offensive team and the likes of D'Alessandro, Taison and Nilmar - playing much alike this Santos. Yet when the big games started, they lost Brazilian Cup final, lost to LDU at Recopa, and struggle a lot in the National League (but finish second at the end).

M84, Santos will problably crush Santo André in the Final. It certainly will be worth a look.

Redman10 20-04-2010 12:30

Ganso is really worth looking at. He might be the AM Milan is looking for. He has Kaka long range shooting ability but his vision, dribbling and control is better than Kaka at the same age.

Senatore_M84 21-04-2010 05:29

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Originally Posted by Redman10 (Post 707191)
Ganso is really worth looking at. He might be the AM Milan is looking for. He has Kaka long range shooting ability but his vision, dribbling and control is better than Kaka at the same age.

he's more of a midfielder than kaka. A bit slower (but not slow). But puts in good workrate. He's more like Gourcuff if you want a style comparison. Tall also.....

The only worry i'd have bout him is time on ball, adjusting to being pressured in europe. But yes i love him

Wild 21-04-2010 14:50

I dont know why ppl think this Neymar would b different than Robinho.
Or maybe I just dont like short/skinny players.

RossoneroTifoso 21-04-2010 15:21

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Originally Posted by Wild (Post 707994)
I dont know why ppl think this Neymar would b different than Robinho.
Or maybe I just dont like short/skinny players.

What's wrong with Robinho. He is NT starter, played with teams like City and Madrid, has some great skill and speed. Very solid player technically IMO. Anyway apparently Neymar is showing more promise than Robinho did at 18.

Wild 21-04-2010 23:23

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Originally Posted by Alexandre Pato (Post 708005)
What's wrong with Robinho. He is NT starter, played with teams like City and Madrid, has some great skill and speed. Very solid player technically IMO. Anyway apparently Neymar is showing more promise than Robinho did at 18.

Then I guess maybe I dont like short + skinny players :D
But seriously , Robi is very inconsistent for my liking.
He will never hit u as world class but he was able to adjust to play wide which saved his career coz I really doubt he could v pulled the striker business.
The same goes for Neymar since I dont think he would become a great ST , not with this body.

RossoneroTifoso 22-04-2010 00:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild (Post 708345)
Then I guess maybe I dont like short + skinny players :D
But seriously , Robi is very inconsistent for my liking.
He will never hit u as world class but he was able to adjust to play wide which saved his career coz I really doubt he could v pulled the striker business.
The same goes for Neymar since I dont think he would become a great ST , not with this body.

yeah, fair enogh. That was the first thing I thought about. I mean, Pato gets pushed off the ball relatively easily, and this guy is way lighter. Someone like Messi, who while short, still has plenty of strength and power is good. Maybe Eden Hazard?

justiface 22-04-2010 00:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild (Post 708345)
Then I guess maybe I dont like short + skinny players :D
But seriously , Robi is very inconsistent for my liking.
He will never hit u as world class but he was able to adjust to play wide which saved his career coz I really doubt he could v pulled the striker business.
The same goes for Neymar since I dont think he would become a great ST , not with this body.

i dont have any choice dude, you are totally right... small size gives you issue if you are a great player but not one of the best..

first example you can see clearly through kaka... many player has been touted to be the next kaka.. i gives you examples, diego and thiago neves, two players that has talent similar to kaka bu fucked up by the smaller size.. kaka stands at 186cm and weigh 82kg while thiago - 182cm 70kg and diego 173cm 73kg.. can you see?? remember milan vs man utd 2007/2008?? where big vidic's body challenge easily rejected by kaka... end of game if in that place is diego or thiago..

2nd you can see is the problem for football midgets... etc lavezzi, alexis sanchez, robinho etc, the chances of these guys succeed is very small, i'm not saying they cant even succeed.. if you are small you have to be the best like messi, roberto carlos, maradona, garrincha, romario, george best etc... pato is off the list as pato is not a midgeT (173cm and above)...

the 3rd, what makes cristiano ronaldo a far better player than nani?? pace?? shooting?? dribbling?? technique?? the answer is size.. nani would be the same player as cr9 now if he is 10kg heavier and 10cm taller than now..

after i realize this... i always gives first impression to a player through sizes.. i duno why but yeah size matters every now and then..

RossoneroTifoso 22-04-2010 01:54

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Originally Posted by justiface (Post 708385)
i dont have any choice dude, you are totally right... small size gives you issue if you are a great player but not one of the best..

first example you can see clearly through kaka... many player has been touted to be the next kaka.. i gives you examples, diego and thiago neves, two players that has talent similar to kaka bu fucked up by the smaller size.. kaka stands at 186cm and weigh 82kg while thiago - 182cm 70kg and diego 173cm 73kg.. can you see?? remember milan vs man utd 2007/2008?? where big vidic's body challenge easily rejected by kaka... end of game if in that place is diego or thiago..

2nd you can see is the problem for football midgets... etc lavezzi, alexis sanchez, robinho etc, the chances of these guys succeed is very small, i'm not saying they cant even succeed.. if you are small you have to be the best like messi, roberto carlos, maradona, garrincha, romario, george best etc... pato is off the list as pato is not a midgeT (173cm and above)...

the 3rd, what makes cristiano ronaldo a far better player than nani?? pace?? shooting?? dribbling?? technique?? the answer is size.. nani would be the same player as cr9 now if he is 10kg heavier and 10cm taller than now..

after i realize this... i always gives first impression to a player through sizes.. i duno why but yeah size matters every now and then..

Case 1: Giovinco AKA The Atomic Ant

Loads of skill, to small.

drucurl 22-04-2010 02:39

Easy there guys. I think size is very important in football but there are many many fantastic players who are small or average size. Xavi, Messi, Iniesta for starters our own Pirlo and Seedorf and Gattuso aren't exactly giants neither were zidane, makalele or romario, baggio...etc. The list is too long really. robinho's problem is his mentality not his size. He singlehandedly raped the entire Italian defence (minus Pirlo who doesn't count) and could do it again. Neymar seems to have even more talent and equal speed as Robinho and just that fact means that he can become a scary player

RossoneroTifoso 22-04-2010 03:44

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Originally Posted by drucurl (Post 708407)
Easy there guys. I think size is very important in football but there are many many fantastic players who are small or average size. Xavi, Messi, Iniesta for starters our own Pirlo and Seedorf and Gattuso aren't exactly giants neither were zidane, makalele or romario, baggio...etc. The list is too long really. robinho's problem is his mentality not his size. He singlehandedly raped the entire Italian defence (minus Pirlo who doesn't count) and could do it again. Neymar seems to have even more talent and equal speed as Robinho and just that fact means that he can become a scary player

They all have strength though, Neymar is like a twig. I think he ways 60kg? Maybe 50kg?

Senatore_M84 22-04-2010 05:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild (Post 708345)
Then I guess maybe I dont like short + skinny players :D
But seriously , Robi is very inconsistent for my liking.
He will never hit u as world class but he was able to adjust to play wide which saved his career coz I really doubt he could v pulled the striker business.
The same goes for Neymar since I dont think he would become a great ST , not with this body.

Guess you don't like Messi or David villa :D


I truly think Robinho could be in those guys league if not for his mentality. Thats only think that stopped him.

naive_harry 22-04-2010 06:17

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Originally Posted by Senatore_M84 (Post 708425)
Guess you don't like Messi or David villa :D


I truly think Robinho could be in those guys league if not for his mentality. Thats only think that stopped him.

he said short + skinny, neither mesi nor villa are skinny...

anilak 22-04-2010 07:15

Maradona is shorter than Messi, Villa, Robinho and Neymar. Guess he did alright as a midget. He was hell powerful though.

justiface 22-04-2010 11:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by anilak (Post 708441)
Maradona is shorter than Messi, Villa, Robinho and Neymar. Guess he did alright as a midget. He was hell powerful though.

yes you are right.. as i said before.. if the player is small, he has to be the the best..

DSM 23-04-2010 18:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by justiface (Post 708385)
i dont have any choice dude, you are totally right... small size gives you issue if you are a great player but not one of the best..

first example you can see clearly through kaka... many player has been touted to be the next kaka.. i gives you examples, diego and thiago neves, two players that has talent similar to kaka bu fucked up by the smaller size.. kaka stands at 186cm and weigh 82kg while thiago - 182cm 70kg and diego 173cm 73kg.. can you see?? remember milan vs man utd 2007/2008?? where big vidic's body challenge easily rejected by kaka... end of game if in that place is diego or thiago..

2nd you can see is the problem for football midgets... etc lavezzi, alexis sanchez, robinho etc, the chances of these guys succeed is very small, i'm not saying they cant even succeed.. if you are small you have to be the best like messi, roberto carlos, maradona, garrincha, romario, george best etc... pato is off the list as pato is not a midgeT (173cm and above)...

the 3rd, what makes cristiano ronaldo a far better player than nani?? pace?? shooting?? dribbling?? technique?? the answer is size.. nani would be the same player as cr9 now if he is 10kg heavier and 10cm taller than now..

after i realize this... i always gives first impression to a player through sizes.. i duno why but yeah size matters every now and then..

One is fast or was fast.

The other two are slow but have more footballing ability.

All three fall over alot & dive.

One has had a good career the other two have'nt really done much but have time.

Nani plays like C.Ronaldo did when he was 18 or 19 & Ronaldo was able to go on to great things, where as Nani is'nt mentally strong enough or clever enough to do this.

Fantasista 03-05-2010 17:46

Santos won the Paulistão yesterday.

He scored twice, the first goal was great and the Ganso assist to the second was awesome. Neymar played well but he's diving more and more each game. Ganso was IMHO man of the match, always dangerous and refused to be substituted at the end.



Senatore_M84 03-05-2010 17:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasista (Post 715851)
Santos won the Paulistão yesterday.

He scored twice, the first goal was great and the Ganso assist to the second was awesome. Neymar played well but he's diving more and more each game. Ganso was IMHO man of the match, always dangerous and refused to be substituted at the end.

Ganso... i love that kid. Amazing vision. People say he's new kaka or rivaldo, i don't see it....

to me he's more comaprable to rui costa (style wise) or more of a player who is natural AM, not forward... what do you think? He really knows how to play top of diamond in 4-3-1-2

Neymay would probably be better fit for milan though. Could you imagine Ronaldinho supplying pato and neymar, with all those brilliant runs they make?


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