The Rumour Commode XVI: The Association of the Small Commoders

VultureSheva · Apr 19, 2016

Mr. Milanista said:
Are there actually fucktards that wants to keep Balotelli and even arguing why he should stay?

Balo > Adriano
Balo > Pavoletti
Balo > Matri

So why not to keep him?

Bacca, Niang, Balo with a good midfield, will be the best attack in Serie A without a doubt.

milanicious · Apr 19, 2016

Hitman said:
maybe you're not that bright and don't know how to benchmark, but here i'll teach you how to do it...

player A scores 5 goals this season but plays only 2 games all season
player B scores 15 goals this season but plays 38 games....

who's better???

that's an easy one.

now a little trickier.

player A scores 5 goals and played 10 games this season
player B scores 5 goals and played 10 games this season

what do you do now? how do you analyze who performed better?

I'll let you think about it.

Player A played 2718 mins , scored 6 and assisted 10.

Player B played 1603 mins, scored 1 and assisted 3.

Let me further simplify that for you :

Player A produces a goal or assist every 169 mins.

Player B produces a goal or assist every 400 mins.

VooDooDoll · Apr 19, 2016

Alo88 said:
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VultureSheva · Apr 19, 2016

Crucial day to Monday and today for a possible breakthrough on the Milan corporate destiny. According to reports Corrieredellosport.it , these days in a Roman law firm you are dealing with the sale of the Via Aldo Rossi club. On the one hand the men of Fininvest representing Silvio Berlusconi, on the other Sal Galatioto, advisor Italo-American who represents the consortium to be accountable to Robin Li, the sixth most powerful man in China.

OFFER INCREASED - According Corrieredellosport.it, yesterday there was a crucial conference call throughout the financial transaction. The Chinese have entered into the phase of due diligence , ie the analysis of the accounts of Milan, prepared a paino of investments that should provide 300 million of revenue within a biennium between sponsors, summer and partner tour and now they are ready to raise the range of 650 million to 700 million circulated in recent days. The consortium would be willing to offer € 720 million for 70% of AC Milan suffered by the end of the season and 30% by next year. The news is that according to sources of the head, the parties would be very close to a preliminary agreement across the board, even in the terms and structure previously explained.

SILVIO WE THINK - Silvio Berlusconi, of course crucial for the success of the operation, is informed on the details, he is thinking but has not made a decision yet. President Rossoneri want to know precisely the identity and the number of Chinese investors interested in the acquisition of Milan. In addition, news today, he would ask a very precise picture of the financial health of the members of this consortium. The sale of Milan could not be at all so far, everything is in the hands of Berlusconi.

leaf · Apr 19, 2016

Wild said:
If its true ... Brocchi wanting Matri is enough reason to not wanting him here next season.

Berlusconi said:
The rumor with Matri coming back to Milan is just that, a rumor. Lets not make it any bigger than it is. They know that Brocchi and Matri are friends so therefore they start making shit up in hopes of being right. Any Milan coach that wants the team to succeed and that has been part of Milan the last 3 years knows where all of the fans stand on the Matri situation. I highly highly doubt that Brocchi would want to bring him back, unless he wants to get fired before next season even starts.

We've been surprised by this shit before. I never thought a guy like Muntari could ever wear our shirt....but ....you know.

Berlusconi said:
He was our best player last 2 games, the guy is actually running and chasing down defenders.
Even ran all the way back to LB position to recover a ball he lost. If Bertolacci ran half of that last few games I would be happy.

Balo on the pitch is a problem when he is un-interested, and just causing problems. However when he is running and creating chances, getting fouled 9 times then unless you don't like the team I dont know how you can consider that a problem.

Also, when was the last time you've seen Balo calming a player down besides last game? (When Poli tried to be a hero)

Berlusconi said:
With more touches than Riccardo Montolivo and Giacomo Bonaventura, Mario Balotelli’s performance against Sampdoria may have been his best this season

the striker won the ball back four times, along with winning four challenges

Balo was basically moving into the 3/4 position allowing Bonaventura more space when attacking, going forward this trident can be successful at least till the end of the season

dru does not like Montolivo

Hitman said:
I wanna see Balo-Bacca with Honda behind them.

Jack can go LCM and take Bertolacci's place. He's going to have to do a lot more defending though which would mean bringing away from goal which could turn out to be the best move of his career. He's not good enough near the goal, his shots and assist attempts are abysmal, but he's clearly talented. If tamed the right way, he could be squad player that could be a box to box midfielder. Definitely not trequartista though. He's not smart nor humble enough to play there.

VultureSheva said:
Given a choice between Juventus pocketing €100m or keeping Pogba, Allegri says: Better to keep Pogba.

this is the mentality milan needs, to refuse big offers for donnarumma, bacca, niang, romagnoli etc."balance the books" "sell bacca for money" "sell niang for a good offer" this is what i read from milan fans, roma tried the same thing, selling their top players and buying others every year, what they won? nothing.

Geez so many great posts today :eek:

Hitman said:
Before Mario returned from injury, Jack used to waste 3-4 free kicks a game into the wall or way too high, exactly like Mario versus Sampdoria... except that Jack did it for the whole season and Mario's done it only against Sampdoria.

Yet, people will complain about Mario doing it and not Jack.

You people ought to be ashamed of yourselves for this bias towards Balo. The media have formed your opinions for you and you are incapable of thinking otherwise.

VultureSheva said:
Balotelli is our most talented player. Haters can fuck off.

I feel you but talent isn't everything. I would say Quaresma was the most talented player in 2010 Inter, yet he wasn't more than a fringe player.
CONTRIBUTION is ALL THAT MATTERS. Whether it's goals, assists, tackles, saves etc.

For instance, in our 2007 team, Gilardino was much more talented than Pippo...but Pippo was far more useful.

TONS of players were more talented than Gattuso, but again, his warrior spirit was a driving force behind Milan's success

Mr. Milanista said:
Are there actually fucktards that wants to keep Balotelli and even arguing why he should stay?

Nobody actually wants him. We want him to (possibly) harness his abilities for Milan's benefit :mb:

Alo88 · Apr 19, 2016

Hitman said:
Before Mario returned from injury, Jack used to waste 3-4 free kicks a game into the wall or way too high, exactly like Mario versus Sampdoria... except that Jack did it for the whole season and Mario's done it only against Sampdoria.

Yet, people will complain about Mario doing it and not Jack.

You people ought to be ashamed of yourselves for this bias towards Balo. The media have formed your opinions for you and you are incapable of thinking otherwise.

I remeber one game (don't know anymore who the opponent was) where Jack failed at almost every FK and people where screaming in the match forum that he should let Honda take the FKs since his are poor.

Again you say everyone is praising Jack while in reality no one is praising him non-stop. I think your obsession of complaining about Jack whenever you can comes from the wrong observation that everyone is praising him.

Hitman · Apr 19, 2016

Alo88 said:
He asked you how you rate Niang and whith who you would replace him from the players avaiable in our squad since you don't rate Bona at all. He, and the whole rest of this board, well understood why you are blaming Bonaventure, nevertheless his questions are legit and - for a sophisticated expert like you - easy to answer no doubt. Now what the fuck has his choice of favourite players to do with his questions? Nothing! You're blaming him for bringing up irrelevant things but at the same time you miss twice to answer a bloody simple question he asked you?

What's wrong with you?

"These are the kinds of fans that we have to deal with on this forum."

C'mon what type of cocky statement is this!?

That's almost paranoia. Where are all those praises you're talking about? Agreed he had a great run of form around christmas and where he has been praised a lot not only from board members here but from almost all football experts and journalists in Italy. Now you can share this opinion or not.

But please stop claiming all the time that everyone here is hyping Bona as our own Messi after every match when in fact almost everyone has noticed his decrease of form since weeks. No one is praising him anymore, because it's obvious that his great run of form has finished (I know your optinion is he's never been good but piss poor). But as Wild already said, he's still one of our best performers and there are other position who need to be revisited before we even think about replacing Jack.

And now with no hard words: I see from your last post that you might think the same. As I personally am a big fan of Niang although he has his flaws, I'm interested - just as set1899 - why you have such a different rating overall, not only the last couple of weeks where Niang has been injured, for those two players (Jack and Niang) who both have similar flaws like dribbling and holding the ball too much and bad decision making / vision. I invite you to explain your thinking without personal attacks about our intelligence or unknowledge.

my opinions on Niang are very clear on his thread. I have said his performances in the games this season have been quite bad but as a player I value the potential he has because he's shown a lot more than Bonaventura in his last three years. There's a 6 year difference between the 2, not to mention the ceiling that Niang has is a lot higher than Jack's.

I ignored his question about Niang because it's irrelevant. He asked me why do I rate Niang and he doesn't even know my opinion of Niang when he can find it in his thread. He didn't have his facts right so I didn't bother with that question (only that question) until you wanted to interfere.

I rated Jack Bonaventura's performance versus Sampdoria over the 95 minutes.

I did not rate Jack Bonvanetura as a player. My opinions of him are clear every where I post, I value him and think he's useful and he must start simply because we haven't got anyone else. My problem with him is the praise that he is receiving. You keep saying that he's playing better than the rest of the squad right now - that's FALSE. He's consistently one of the worst 3 performers almost each game for us yet you say he's playing good. This is where the problem is.

Learn the fucking difference because I'm getting frustrated with how many times I have to repeat myself to both you and set1899.

Mr. Milanista · Apr 19, 2016

Hitman said:
yes. not that you know anything about saving money or using it. the question you should be asking is:

are there actually fucktards who in 2016 still get ripped off by prostitutes though? and think they deserve a pat on the back for doing that?

off-topic i know. but not really. says a lot about you and the background to which you come up with conclusions. it's fucked up. people should never take anything you say seriously.

Ohh, look at the guy whos near death walking around with a beer belly. :lol:

What? Already forgot how it was like being 18 and making mistakes? Or you never experienced life before?
Dont worry about me bro, everyones makes mistakes, probably your 2 ****** looking sons too.

You should stick to being a pathetic 65 year old and coming up stories how your friend met Bee. Rather doing that than being a complete fucktard and wanting balotelli to stay :lol:

Qaas · Apr 19, 2016

AC Kid said:
And if they have underage daughters

ahahah

rossonero1 · Apr 19, 2016

VultureSheva said:
Crucial day to Monday and today for a possible breakthrough on the Milan corporate destiny. According to reports Corrieredellosport.it , these days in a Roman law firm you are dealing with the sale of the Via Aldo Rossi club. On the one hand the men of Fininvest representing Silvio Berlusconi, on the other Sal Galatioto, advisor Italo-American who represents the consortium to be accountable to Robin Li, the sixth most powerful man in China.

OFFER INCREASED - According Corrieredellosport.it, yesterday there was a crucial conference call throughout the financial transaction. The Chinese have entered into the phase of due diligence , ie the analysis of the accounts of Milan, prepared a paino of investments that should provide 300 million of revenue within a biennium between sponsors, summer and partner tour and now they are ready to raise the range of 650 million to 700 million circulated in recent days. The consortium would be willing to offer € 720 million for 70% of AC Milan suffered by the end of the season and 30% by next year. The news is that according to sources of the head, the parties would be very close to a preliminary agreement across the board, even in the terms and structure previously explained.

SILVIO WE THINK - Silvio Berlusconi, of course crucial for the success of the operation, is informed on the details, he is thinking but has not made a decision yet. President Rossoneri want to know precisely the identity and the number of Chinese investors interested in the acquisition of Milan. In addition, news today, he would ask a very precise picture of the financial health of the members of this consortium. The sale of Milan could not be at all so far, everything is in the hands of Berlusconi.

If they offer him 720m for 70% then buy the rest in a year he will get his 1 billion. Unless the translating is wrong and it's 720m for it all. Anyway if Sal Galatioto said in that interview it can close in 6-8 weeks then something is going down. You don't say that stuff without something behind it.

Hitman · Apr 19, 2016

Mr. Milanista said:
Ohh, look at the guy whos near death walking around with a beer belly.
What? Already forgot how it was like being 18 and making mistakes? Or you never experienced life before?
Dont worry about me bro, everyones makes mistakes, probably your 2 ****** looking sons too.

You should stick to being a pathetic 65 year old and coming up stories how your friend met Bee. Rather doing that than being a complete fucktard and wanting balotelli to stay

thank you for proving my point.

maybe you should look at that picture again and try to see if you recognize that face, child. you were still semen when the guy in that picture was experiencing his life.

and no kid, I haven't done that mistake nor has any of my mates. 500 pounds for a nut? lol. teens these days...

Alo88 · Apr 19, 2016

Hitman said:
my opinions on Niang are very clear on his thread. I have said his performances in the games this season have been quite bad but as a player I value the potential he has because he's shown a lot more than Bonaventura in his last three years. There's a 6 year difference between the 2, not to mention the ceiling that Niang has is a lot higher than Jack's.

OK, that's a legit answer to a legit question. Although I don't agree about Jack I can see where you're coming from and concerning Niang I even agree with you. :thumbsup:

Hitman said:
I did not rate Jack Bonvanetura as a player. My opinions of him are clear every where I post, I value him and think he's useful and he must start simply because we haven't got anyone else. My problem with him is the praise that he is receiving. You keep saying that he's playing better than the rest of the squad right now - that's FALSE. He's consistently one of the worst 3 performers almost each game for us yet you say he's playing good. This is where the problem is.

That's where we disagree and where we'll never have the same point. There's no need to be so frustrated about it. I don't think he's in our Flop 3 in every match, you do. OK. Fine. Let's move on and stop trying to convince each other from being right because in that topic we will never agree.

VooDooDoll · Apr 19, 2016

Mate my first post
"I wonder how do you rate niang who do pretty same shit like bona? I mean he dribbling a lot and lose ball often and his passes are often bad - im just curious"
Second post
"I asked you how you value 2 certain players and who would you put instead of bona in. "

I never asked why you rate higher niang (bacause i dont know your general opinion abotu him) but how u rate him if compared to bona.
And saying bona shouldnt play for milan mean you have better replace so its natural to me to ask who it would be. And you end with moving him into berto position and use honda over him.

2nd thing is nobody praise bona here... maybe except 2 people who praising everyone who do anything positive.

Tadej · Apr 19, 2016

Mr. Milanista said:
Are there actually fucktards that wants to keep Balotelli and even arguing why he should stay?

That is genuinely funny :lol:

Hitman · Apr 19, 2016

Alo88 said:
OK, that's a legit answer to a legit question. Although I don't agree about Jack I can see where you're coming from and concerning Niang I even agree with you.

That's where we disagree and where we'll never have the same point. There's no need to be so frustrated about it. I don't think he's in our Flop 3 in every match, you do. OK. Fine. Let's move on and stop trying to convince each other from being right because in that topic we will never agree.

Fine, but I'm entitled to rate his performance every game right?

That's all I'm doing. I'm also explaining to you why you are wrong when rating his performance as good. You are not looking at the full 95 minutes but you are looking at the fact: 1 game played = 1 assist. You must look into more details if you want to solve the problems of this side. It's clear that our problem is a sporting problem and we haven't built the right team technically, and this analysis is precisely proving it. It shows that our players are consistently performing poorly - even when we win games. We may be lucky for a string of games but it won't last forever as has happened in the last 3 years.

Alo88 · Apr 19, 2016

rossonero1 said:
If they offer him 720m for 70% then buy the rest in a year he will get his 1 billion. Unless the translating is wrong and it's 720m for it all. Anyway if Sal Galatioto said in that interview it can close in 6-8 weeks then something is going down. You don't say that stuff without something behind it.

I think this must be a translation error. Until now it was always something around 700M for 100%. If it is 1 billion for 100%, then I think that even Silvio can resist any longer.

Tadej · Apr 19, 2016

Mr. Milanista said:
Ohh, look at the guy whos near death walking around with a beer belly.
What? Already forgot how it was like being 18 and making mistakes? Or you never experienced life before?
Dont worry about me bro, everyones makes mistakes, probably your 2 ****** looking sons too.

You should stick to being a pathetic 65 year old and coming up stories how your friend met Bee. Rather doing that than being a complete fucktard and wanting balotelli to stay

Omg shots fired :eek:

leaf · Apr 19, 2016

Mr. Milanista said:
Ohh, look at the guy whos near death walking around with a beer belly.
What? Already forgot how it was like being 18 and making mistakes? Or you never experienced life before?
Dont worry about me bro, everyones makes mistakes, probably your 2 ****** looking sons too.

You should stick to being a pathetic 65 year old and coming up stories how your friend met Bee. Rather doing that than being a complete fucktard and wanting balotelli to stay

what the fuck man? Insulting the guys kids is all kinds of despicable :fp:

You might not agree with everything Hitman says, and hell you can insult him if you want but talking about ppl's kids is scum behaviour

rossonero1 · Apr 19, 2016

Corriere della Sera : the Chinese have asked their government to authorize negotiations.

VultureSheva · Apr 19, 2016

Balo lossing the ball? Ok I saw stats in WhoScored, Balo was disspossesed vs Samp 2 times, Bertolacci 4.

KujaIX · Apr 19, 2016

If we're criticising Balo for losing the ball then Bacca should just be thrown into a dumpster outside San Siro.

Mr. Milanista · Apr 19, 2016

leaf said:
what the fuck man? Insulting the guys kids is all kinds of despicable
You might not agree with everything Hitman says, and hell you can insult him if you want but talking about ppl's kids is scum behaviour

Not insulting them, just saying they are making mistakes too.

And if we're going by that logic, Hitman is insulting me, the son of a man too. So yeah, chill. Not my problem the guy is a fucktard for his age :lol:

Alo88 · Apr 19, 2016

Hitman said:
Fine, but I'm entitled to rate his performance every game right?

That's all I'm doing. I'm also explaining to you why you are wrong when rating his performance as good. You are not looking at the full 95 minutes but you are looking at the fact: 1 game played = 1 assist. You must look into more details if you want to solve the problems of this side. It's clear that our problem is a sporting problem and we haven't built the right team technically, and this analysis is precisely proving it. It shows that our players are consistently performing poorly - even when we win games. We may be lucky for a string of games but it won't last forever as has happened in the last 3 years.

I admit that rewatching some Milan games from 2003-2006 (especially 2005) are real eye openers for how deep we have fallen since then.

It's obvious that if we want to return to those levels we need to replace more than 11 players. But sadly we are living in a reality where we have limited financial funds (thanks to whoever - B, G, ... different topic) and we can not spent what ever necessary to get the best or the most funktional players at once.

My point is that there are many other players I would replace before replacing Jack. I rate his performance as "good" compared to his other teammembers. I don't rate his performance as "good" compared to our 2005 squad. I do watch the games and I see Jack making a lot of errors alongside his assists or goals. I don't ignore them completely. But at the same time I see the rest of the team making a lot of errors at the same time (even Kucka at times makes horrendous things or looses the ball in dangerous positions, and Kucka is the midfielder a rate the most atm). I don't think Jack stands out as the one who makes more errors compared to the other teammates. But well again, that's my impression I have when I watch a game of Milan.

KujaIX · Apr 19, 2016

Mr. Milanista said:
Not insulting them, just saying they are making mistakes too.
And if we're going by that logic, Hitman is insulting me, the son of a man too. So yeah, chill. Not my problem the guy is a fucktard for his age

ummm no.

Your post was arguably permaban worthy, imo.

rossonero1 · Apr 19, 2016

KujaIX said:
If we're criticising Balo for losing the ball then Bacca should just be thrown into a dumpster outside San Siro.

I found it funny Bacca wanted to go for the rabona instead of using his left foot on Sunday. But he is useless dribbling outside the box, as well as, his useless left foot. I'm surprised he has what 15 goals this season considering he really has no midfield to service him. If Berlusconi doesn't sell and they don't strengthen the midfield significantly then they might as well sell him while he still has value and he's turning 30.

Mr Delicious · Apr 19, 2016

Kuja reaching top of my list of fav posters right now

Mr Delicious · Apr 19, 2016

Bail should stay. He has passion and drive now but he should understand that he would not start and has to prove he belongs in the starting xi.

I'd pick him over luiz. Not that luiz is bad but he's just not a good fit. Would do well in the PL

ikita · Apr 19, 2016

AC Kid said:
And if they have underage daughters

touche'

its nothing to laugh at. but its kinda funny.

Congo Powers · Apr 19, 2016

nonsonoqui · Apr 19, 2016

VultureSheva said:
Balotelli is our most talented player.

The hatred towards Balotelli is pathological. Here is a guy who has been through intense media scrutiny, has had all his foibles amplified by a media who want to see him fail, is booed (sometimes worse) for his every touch, is provoked by opponents, just came back from an injury, and yet he still shows why we absolutely need to keep him.

Forza Balotelli!

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