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Who should lead Milan's attack in 17/18 ?


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Berlusconi

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Happy now? :lol:

Also, your point about comparing UA signing a BASKETBALL PLAYER to supplying shirts for the second most successful FOOTBALL TEAM in history is complete nonsense. Fair enough if you were to compare UA's performance producing football shirts for other teams but you can't because they only produce them for fodder clubs. In fact, the only notable team they produced shirts for last season (Spurs) ditched them in favour of Nike.

Fair enough on the Fassone quote, thought he said just "sell a player," not top player. Which in this case it's safe to assume if anyone is gonna be sold its Dollar. At that point fuck him who cares, 70Mil for a goalkeeper is a fucking steal.

Also why the fuck does it matter if they only provide shirts for fodder clubs?? At the end of the day its a fucking shirt sponsor, literally the only thing that matters is the money they are offering us. Are their jerseys suddenly going to cause us to lose games?
 

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One of the reasons I became interested in UA as an investor is that they are a very innovative company, they came 6th in Forbes most innovative companies list in 2016, but sadly fell out of said list in 2017, and they haven't been doing very good on the stock market either. But I think for the long run, it's a good company that will do very well against the competition.

I agree. I rather be number one with them, then number 20 with Nike or Adidas. More focus on our kits when it comes to ads and marketing. More money because we are their number one. At least I hope.
 

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Fair enough on the Fassone quote, thought he said just "sell a player," not top player. Which in this case it's safe to assume if anyone is gonna be sold its Dollar. At that point fuck him who cares, 70Mil for a goalkeeper is a fucking steal.

Also why the fuck does it matter if they only provide shirts for fodder clubs?? At the end of the day its a fucking shirt sponsor, literally the only thing that matters is the money they are offering us. Are their jerseys suddenly going to cause us to lose games?

buffon disagrees with you
 

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Fair enough on the Fassone quote, thought he said just "sell a player," not top player. Which in this case it's safe to assume if anyone is gonna be sold its Dollar. At that point fuck him who cares, 70Mil for a goalkeeper is a fucking steal.

Also why the fuck does it matter if they only provide shirts for fodder clubs?? At the end of the day its a fucking shirt sponsor, literally the only thing that matters is the money they are offering us. Are their jerseys suddenly going to cause us to lose games?

:lol::fp:

I just gave you two quotes the first of which Fassone explicitly said we'd have to consider selling a TOP player! Also, in case you didn't realise, Donnarumma has a reduced 50m no-CL exit clause so we'd end up getting less than his true value.

Re UA, if they became our kit manufacturer and offered us more money than Adidas I wouldn't complain. However, that's extremely unlikely given Juventus only get 23m from Adidas and they've won 6 consecutive Scudetto. Also, you were trying to incorrectly compare UA signing a basketball player with supplying shirts to a football team. Those are two completely different sports and items (player vs. team). I said it would make more sense if you provided a like for like comparison (football team vs. football team) but UA's poor track record doesn't allow that. The only decent team they produced kits for (Spurs) already ditched them. Now why would they do that if UA's kits were superior and they pay so much more?
 

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didnt fassone said that we d have 120m for the market several times?and suddenly we had found 200m+

why dont we wait to see what happens and not focus all your negativity before even the 8th day....
 

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didnt fassone said that we d have 120m for the market several times?and suddenly we had found 200m+

why dont we wait to see what happens and not focus all your negativity before even the 8th day....

I don't recall Fassone publicly stating what our transfer budget would be. He's way too smart for that. All I remember him saying was that we'd have an "important" mercato budget and he didn't disappoint (230m - 60m sales = 170m net).

That's why I'm concerned by his latest statements about selling a top player. Unlike Galliani, Fassone's a straight shooter and doesn't lead fans on an endless goose chase.

Also, why is simply reporting the news considered being "negative"? Isn't that what this place is for? To discuss the good and the bad? It's not my fault Fassone said we'd be looking to sell a top player if we miss CL the same day it was reported Adidas dumped us. If there's significant news affecting the future of our club we have a right to discuss it instead of brushing it under the carpet.

Just like many were overjoyed with our signings this summer (including me) and were excited when the news about hiring Conte broke a few weeks ago (including me) we should also openly discuss the "negative".

Attacking members and twisting stories by saying "we left Adidas and signed with UA because they're a superior manufacturer offering us more money" without providing a shred of evidence is just living in denial.
 

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I don't recall Fassone publicly stating what our transfer budget would be. He's way too smart for that. All I remember him saying was that we'd have an "important" mercato budget and he didn't disappoint (230m - 60m sales = 170m net).

That's why I'm concerned by his latest statements about selling a top player. Unlike Galliani, Fassone's a straight shooter and doesn't lead fans on an endless goose chase.

Also, why is simply reporting the news considered being "negative"? Isn't that what this place is for? To discuss the good and the bad? It's not my fault Fassone said we'd be looking to sell a top player if we miss CL the same day it was reported Adidas dumped us. If there's significant news affecting the future of our club we have a right to discuss it instead of brushing it under the carpet.

Just like many were overjoyed with our signings this summer (including me) and were excited when the news about hiring Conte broke a few weeks ago (including me) we should also openly discuss the "negative".

Attacking members and twisting stories by saying "we left Adidas and signed with UA because they're a superior manufacturer offering us more money" without providing a shred of evidence is just living in denial.
i recall fassone saying we are going to have a budget of around 100-120m
i read it in milannews but i think that other members here reported from different sources too.anyway thats not my point.

you come here with a certain attitude 'i told ya' , 'as i predicted' etc etc..thats why they attack you. for as many times you have 'predicted', there are at least 2x you 'predicted' for fossatis of this world ....would it be nice all the forum come here and bash you about that constantly ?i dont know...its your issue but take that into consideration.



anyways.not gonna argue with you about that.i just want to say that we are still before 8th day.lets wait what our new jersey sponsor would be and then lets judge it.but now we are all in the dark about this issue
 

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I don't recall Fassone publicly stating what our transfer budget would be. He's way too smart for that. All I remember him saying was that we'd have an "important" mercato budget and he didn't disappoint (230m - 60m sales = 170m net).

That's why I'm concerned by his latest statements about selling a top player. Unlike Galliani, Fassone's a straight shooter and doesn't lead fans on an endless goose chase.

Also, why is simply reporting the news considered being "negative"? Isn't that what this place is for? To discuss the good and the bad? It's not my fault Fassone said we'd be looking to sell a top player if we miss CL the same day it was reported Adidas dumped us. If there's significant news affecting the future of our club we have a right to discuss it instead of brushing it under the carpet.

Just like many were overjoyed with our signings this summer (including me) and were excited when the news about hiring Conte broke a few weeks ago (including me) we should also openly discuss the "negative".

Attacking members and twisting stories by saying "we left Adidas and signed with UA because they're a superior manufacturer offering us more money" without providing a shred of evidence is just living in denial.

It's an assumption bro
2nd tier brand (UA/NB) tend to offer huge amount of money so that they could endorse world-famous sports club.

Adidas's decision to part ways with Milan is pure business.
Cause Milan doesn't have enough plastic fans to buy the shirts. And yes, Milan doesn't gain any fans recently. Not without glamourous packaging that Fassone is trying to built.

My conclusion is Plastic-fans is more important than we thought
 

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:lol::fp:

I just gave you two quotes the first of which Fassone explicitly said we'd have to consider selling a TOP player! Also, in case you didn't realise, Donnarumma has a reduced 50m no-CL exit clause so we'd end up getting less than his true value.


Re UA, if they became our kit manufacturer and offered us more money than Adidas I wouldn't complain. However, that's extremely unlikely given Juventus only get 23m from Adidas and they've won 6 consecutive Scudetto. Also, you were trying to incorrectly compare UA signing a basketball player with supplying shirts to a football team. Those are two completely different sports and items (player vs. team). I said it would make more sense if you provided a like for like comparison (football team vs. football team) but UA's poor track record doesn't allow that. The only decent team they produced kits for (Spurs) already ditched them. Now why would they do that if UA's kits were superior and they pay so much more?

SO now you're arguing me agreeing to what you posted?


My comparison for the basketball thing, once again, was to prove that they are not some bullshit brand like you make them out to be. they stole not just A basketball player, but THE basketball player from their top rival. This proves their value as a brand in general. IF UA's plan is to slowly start taking away deals from adidas and nike in football too, then you can use Steph Curry as an example of what they're willing to do, to surpass their competition.
 

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Whoever sponsors us, they better go with a classic design. Something that suits our prestige. im scared though as diesel already threw that out the window with their Suit jacket + hoodie crap. That wasn't cool in 2005 and it's not cool now.
 

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UA does only one thing well and that is what they started with, compression microfibre undershirts you put under a jersey and that's where it ends. The rest is pretty awful looking if you ask me, especially the shoes. Adidas, Nike and pretty much whoever else puts them to shame when it comes to fashion sense. Pretty much anybody can design and manufacture a good quality kit I don't doubt that, I would just prefer Milan don't associate with that company. Adidas has such a rich history with football, don't want it to end.
 

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It's an assumption bro
2nd tier brand (UA/NB) tend to offer huge amount of money so that they could endorse world-famous sports club.

It’s when competition is present. But right now, Nike and Adidas are both uninterested, I don’t see why they’d offer a premium.
 

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It’s when competition is present. But right now, Nike and Adidas are both uninterested, I don’t see why they’d offer a premium.

That's not entirely true, we need them as much as they need us. We are a former giant, that's slowly getting back on track, they are a company that's looking to take the step to "Giant" status.

They will pay top dollar, if we choose them.
 

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Fassone has seemingly already found 6 new sponsors. StarCasino, Nilox, Konami and Alpenwater will be some of the new Milan sponsors.
 

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70Mil is a lot for any keeper ever, even prime buffon.


Prime Dida >>> Prime Buffon
2003-2005 Dida was better....But Dida's problem was never goalkeeping...it was always concentration, which Buffon was leagues ahead of him at.

There are a lot of shot-stoppers that are better than Buffon but his consistency and concentration are quite remarkable.

Adidas is gone, move on.
Just do it :thumbsup:

That's not entirely true, we need them as much as they need us. We are a former giant, that's slowly getting back on track, they are a company that's looking to take the step to "Giant" status.

They will pay top dollar, if we choose them.
hopefully
Fassone has seemingly already found 6 new sponsors. StarCasino, Nilox, Konami and Alpenwater will be some of the new Milan sponsors.
:rolleyes:
Hey...at least we're not sponsored by Tinder :o
dcfcfan1 would be even more annoying :lol:
 

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i recall fassone saying we are going to have a budget of around 100-120m
i read it in milannews but i think that other members here reported from different sources too.anyway thats not my point.

you come here with a certain attitude 'i told ya' , 'as i predicted' etc etc..thats why they attack you. for as many times you have 'predicted', there are at least 2x you 'predicted' for fossatis of this world ....would it be nice all the forum come here and bash you about that constantly ?i dont know...its your issue but take that into consideration.



anyways.not gonna argue with you about that.i just want to say that we are still before 8th day.lets wait what our new jersey sponsor would be and then lets judge it.but now we are all in the dark about this issue

:lol::lol:

Me discussing youth players was simply me reporting what Management, journalists and other sites were saying at the time. In other words I was simply reporting the news. I did this at a time where we had a pathetic first team squad which hadn't been invested in for years. The problem with youth talents is they're hot one minute and flops the next. But you can never rule them out completely. Guys like Aubameyang and Darmian have come back to bite us in the ass whilst Petagna/Cristante/Verdi are getting NT call ups.

When I first mentioned Fossati he'd just won young Serie B player of the year and was leading the league in stats. At that particular time he would've been far more useful than the likes of Traore, Constant etc. However, now we've significantly upgraded the team and given he's regressed he's no longer useful. He's still playing Serie A games for Verona though so he's not a total dud.

What I find more amusing is people like you hyping up Niang as the second coming. I said from day one he was trash and looks like I was right. In 5 seasons here he only regressed and still ended up at a midtable club like Cristate/Petagna/Fossati/Verdi :lol: I'm sure if any of those guys had been given the same opportunities as him here they would've become rotational players.
 

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That's not entirely true, we need them as much as they need us. We are a former giant, that's slowly getting back on track, they are a company that's looking to take the step to "Giant" status.

They will pay top dollar, if we choose them.

And if they don’t? Are we going to play without a kit?
 

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SO now you're arguing me agreeing to what you posted?


My comparison for the basketball thing, once again, was to prove that they are not some bullshit brand like you make them out to be. they stole not just A basketball player, but THE basketball player from their top rival. This proves their value as a brand in general. IF UA's plan is to slowly start taking away deals from adidas and nike in football too, then you can use Steph Curry as an example of what they're willing to do, to surpass their competition.

Do you even read what you write? You said this...

Fair enough on the Fassone quote, thought he said just "sell a player," not top player.

You said Fassone didn't mention anything about selling a top player so I corrected you.

As for UA, I'm not saying they're a rubbish sports manufacturer OVERALL but in FOOTBALL they're nobodies. They haven't produced kits for a single decent team besides Spurs (who dumped them) which speaks volumes. Either they're not as financially competitive in FOOTBALL or the design/quality isn't as good as other manufacturers.

Regardless, if they're willing to pay us more than the 20m offered by Adidas I'm HAPPY. However, I doubt it given Juventus only get 23m from Adidas.
 

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It's an assumption bro
2nd tier brand (UA/NB) tend to offer huge amount of money so that they could endorse world-famous sports club.

Adidas's decision to part ways with Milan is pure business.
Cause Milan doesn't have enough plastic fans to buy the shirts. And yes, Milan doesn't gain any fans recently. Not without glamourous packaging that Fassone is trying to built.

My conclusion is Plastic-fans is more important than we thought

Maybe but I doubt it in our case. They know we were receiving 20m from Adidas and know that Juve only receive 23m. They also know we can't pair with the second biggest manufacturer (Nike) because of their relationship with Inter. Therefore, UA is in a position of power to get a similar deal from us as Adidas which doesn't benefit us a great deal.

The most worrying thing about Adidas is that they don't believe we're a top team anymore. Despite being subject to a 1bn takeover and spending 230m on transfers they don't believe in our project. They're also privy to the business plan Fassone presented FIFA where he said we'll win the Scudetto within 5 years and become CL regulars. That corresponds nicely with their original contract exit date (2023) so the fact they're bailing early means they don't believe us. When you add this to the growing list of doubters (Audi, Berlusconi, Maldini, Shevchenko, Raiola) it doesn't bode well.
 

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For the doubters let me just say this.

I believe F+M have built the skeleton of an excellent team but are just missing the cherry on top (a top coach and a top midfielder/striker).

I believe we have a core of very young players who can become world class under the right coach (i.e. Conte). I'm talking about Donnarumma, Romagnoli, Conti, Locatelli, Kessie + Andre Silva.

I also believe we have a couple of experienced top players in our ranks (Bonucci + Biglia) who are playing like fodders because of our inexperienced amateur coach. I believe if we hired Conte he would return Bonucci to being the world class CB he was not so long ago. Don't forget Conte was the man who transformed Bonucci from an average CB at Bari to a world class defender. I also think Biglia is one of the best regista's in the game and it's no wonder Real Madrid and a host of EPL teams have been linked with him in the past.

I also believe there's several very good players like Musacchio, Suso + Rodriguez who can become elite players if the aforementioned top coach arrives.

However, we're missing a top coach with strong personality like Conte and a top player in midfield + attack.

The only 2 games I've seen this season where we've played like a top team is against Bayern in pre-season and the Europa league farmers who we smashed 6-1. Every other performance has been a stinker which is reflected in our league position.
 

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Maybe but I doubt it in our case. They know we were receiving 20m from Adidas and know that Juve only receive 23m. They also know we can't pair with the second biggest manufacturer (Nike) because of their relationship with Inter. Therefore, UA is in a position of power to get a similar deal from us as Adidas which doesn't benefit us a great deal.

The most worrying thing about Adidas is that they don't believe we're a top team anymore. Despite being subject to a 1bn takeover and spending 230m on transfers they don't believe in our project. They're also privy to the business plan Fassone presented FIFA where he said we'll win the Scudetto within 5 years and become CL regulars. That corresponds nicely with their original contract exit date (2023) so the fact they're bailing early means they don't believe us. When you add this to the growing list of doubters (Audi, Berlusconi, Maldini, Shevchenko, Raiola) it doesn't bode well.

Not trying to troll or anything....but I thought the whole reason Berlusconi took so long to sell was that he wanted us to end up in good hands :conf:
Where did you get the idea that He isn't convinced about the Chinese Milan? I know that he's come out and criticized us recently...but it seems more like the standard type as opposed to him having genuine concerns about our direction.

The same would go for Sheva, whose comments were reasonable.

Raiola had just been through a fight with us so don't expect him to have anything nice to say.
 

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Not trying to troll or anything....but I thought the whole reason Berlusconi took so long to sell was that he wanted us to end up in good hands :conf:
Where did you get the idea that He isn't convinced about the Chinese Milan? I know that he's come out and criticized us recently...but it seems more like the standard type as opposed to him having genuine concerns about our direction.

The same would go for Sheva, whose comments were reasonable.

Raiola had just been through a fight with us so don't expect him to have anything nice to say.

Sheva is just loyal to Silvio. Isn't Silvio the godfather to his kid? And in regards to who Silvio sold the club to, I don't think it mattered to him. As long as the check cleared why would he care what happens next? He was just blowing smoke to make himself look good when he was talking about leaving the club in good hands even if new ownership did or didn't spend money.
 
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