Marco Giampaolo Thread

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This guy is being linked with us a lot lately, so it might happen
He'll be the guy that starts project ItalMilan

He likes to use the 4-3-1-2 formation :b:

Interesting players he could bring with him

- Riccardo Saponara
- Leandro Paredes
- Piotr Zielinski
- Lorenzo Tonelli (too late)

Last 5 seasons (You don't really wanna know :D)
 
2010/11 - Catania - Serie A - "mutual consent" after half a season at 15th place
2011/12 - Cesena - Serie A - sacked after 9 games at 20th place
2013/14 - Brescia - Serie B - left after 5 games at 8th place
2014/15 - Cremonese - Lega Pro - 8th place
2015/16 - Empoli - Serie A - 10th place
 

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“To be honest with you, the situation hasn’t changed that much. We play the same tactical formation and our training sessions are just slightly different. Giovanni Martusciello and Sarri’s former staff have remained with us, so there are no big differences to last year, at least as far as our tactic is concerned.”

After this statement i can say that he didnt do much, just continued sarri work. We need a coach like sarri, cunte, not another allegri.
 

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I can't wait to have him here and for us to revert back to playing good compact noughties Milan style football again.

A good regista is critical though and I hope he convinces us to sign Parades the same way Miha convinced us to splash cash on Romagnoli last season.

Parades knows the diamond system very well by now.

For younger members' benefit, Giampaolo was once touted to be one of the next great Italian coaches.. Sometime in the last decade. Capello picked him out as his heir and Juve were close to signing him.

Then he had a couple of high profile failures at Cagliari (not helped by Cellino and his style) and then at Brescia.. Where again the management used him when ultras got mad with them etc. Giampaolo does have a short fuse though.

The Empoli comeback is sort of a redemption for him. His quality is unquestionable. If he has found the habit of success again, I think this could be a great move for us.
 

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Juve reject you say? Fucxk livfe, sell asap. Kill someone and sell the club and italshitlan.

Why fuck do we enve read forum and see milan if juve even can have and not want??!? Seson over next yr plz same shit thn again ofc...
 

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I can't wait to have him here and for us to revert back to playing good compact noughties Milan style football again.

A good regista is critical though and I hope he convinces us to sign Parades the same way Miha convinced us to splash cash on Romagnoli last season.

Parades knows the diamond system very well by now.

For younger members' benefit, Giampaolo was once touted to be one of the next great Italian coaches.. Sometime in the last decade. Capello picked him out as his heir and Juve were close to signing him.

Then he had a couple of high profile failures at Cagliari (not helped by Cellino and his style) and then at Brescia.. Where again the management used him when ultras got mad with them etc. Giampaolo does have a short fuse though.

The Empoli comeback is sort of a redemption for him. His quality is unquestionable. If he has found the habit of success again, I think this could be a great move for us.
I swear to god youre G in real life. Theres no other explanation
 

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Time to resurrect this thread
 

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Thoughts on Giampaolo as our (potential) new manager?
 

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I can't wait to have him here and for us to revert back to playing good compact noughties Milan style football again.

A good regista is critical though and I hope he convinces us to sign Parades the same way Miha convinced us to splash cash on Romagnoli last season.

Parades knows the diamond system very well by now.

For younger members' benefit, Giampaolo was once touted to be one of the next great Italian coaches.. Sometime in the last decade. Capello picked him out as his heir and Juve were close to signing him.

Then he had a couple of high profile failures at Cagliari (not helped by Cellino and his style) and then at Brescia.. Where again the management used him when ultras got mad with them etc. Giampaolo does have a short fuse though.

The Empoli comeback is sort of a redemption for him. His quality is unquestionable. If he has found the habit of success again, I think this could be a great move for us.



Damn I was such a Giampaolo lover 3 years back.
 

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No thank you. I would like to continue in my role as disruptor of the commode.
 

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How long until the team drops the forced, impractical 4-3-1-2?

It took 3.5 games in 2012/2013.
No more than a few preseason games in 2013/2014.
8 games in 2014-2015.


I think we'll hit a post-2012 record this time. Giampaolo has used 4-3-1-2, from start, in EVERY single game in charge of Sampdoria and Empoli, with zero exceptions. He might stick to this until he's fired, and that's probably not going to happen until at least a few months into the season.

The only hope is that he mimics Sarri once again.
Giampaolo wasn't this strongly associated with 4-3-1-2 until he replaced Sarri at Empoli, and copied him, which saved his career.
4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 were his thing at Catania.
It's Sarri who was the 4-3-1-2 guy, and he tried to bring that over to Napoli, but he quickly realized it was impractical and shifted to a 4-3-3 that was a more advanced form of Benitez' 4-2-3-1.


Hopefully Giampaolo is as pragmatical as the guy who saved his career.
And hopefully Maldini and co aren't stupid enough to put all the eggs in one shitty basket, 4-3-1-2 in this case. It would repeat the mistakes of 2013, 2015 and 2017 summer mercati.
 
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How long until the team drops the forced, impractical 4-3-1-2?

It took 3.5 games in 2012/2013.
No more than a few preseason games in 2013/2014.
8 games in 2014-2015.


I think we'll hit a post-2012 record this time. Giampaolo has used 4-3-1-2, from start, in EVERY single game in charge of Sampdoria and Empoli, with zero exceptions. He might stick to this until he's fired, and that's probably not going to happen until at least a few months into the season.

The only hope is that he mimics Sarri once again.
Giampaolo wasn't this strongly associated with 4-3-1-2 until he replaced Sarri at Empoli, and copied him, which saved his career.
4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 were his thing at Catania.
It's Sarri who was the 4-3-1-2 guy, and he tried to bring that over to Napoli, but he quickly realized it was impractical and shifted to a 4-3-3 that was a more advanced form of Benitez' 4-2-3-1.


Hopefully Giampaolo is as pragmatical as the guy who saved his career.
And hopefully Maldini and co aren't stupid enough to put all the eggs in one shitty basket, 4-3-1-2 in this case. It would repeat the mistakes of 2013, 2015 and 2017 summer mercati.

you have proper players and proper team organization or not. nothing impractical in formation just by name.
we have very practical 433 right?
 

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you have proper players and proper team organization or not. nothing impractical in formation just by name.
we have very practical 433 right?

"Forced, impractical" as in it wasn't decided based on what he had available or results.
There are few cases in Top 4 leagues where 4312 is the best choice and they typically involve rare players like Pirlo, Ibra and Suarez.
If you have already decided to go with 4312 before even being appointed, then, well.....

and looking at his results, defensive record and admittedly strong tactical effort he put in at Sampdoria with the players he had available, I can't say 4312 looked optimal for all 3 of those rosters.
 

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How long until the team drops the forced, impractical 4-3-1-2?

It took 3.5 games in 2012/2013.
No more than a few preseason games in 2013/2014.
8 games in 2014-2015.


I think we'll hit a post-2012 record this time. Giampaolo has used 4-3-1-2, from start, in EVERY single game in charge of Sampdoria and Empoli, with zero exceptions. He might stick to this until he's fired, and that's probably not going to happen until at least a few months into the season.

The only hope is that he mimics Sarri once again.
Giampaolo wasn't this strongly associated with 4-3-1-2 until he replaced Sarri at Empoli, and copied him, which saved his career.
4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3 were his thing at Catania.
It's Sarri who was the 4-3-1-2 guy, and he tried to bring that over to Napoli, but he quickly realized it was impractical and shifted to a 4-3-3 that was a more advanced form of Benitez' 4-2-3-1.


Hopefully Giampaolo is as pragmatical as the guy who saved his career.
And hopefully Maldini and co aren't stupid enough to put all the eggs in one shitty basket, 4-3-1-2 in this case. It would repeat the mistakes of 2013, 2015 and 2017 summer mercati.

The attackers we sign need to be versatile and dynamic. Our trequartista signing needs to be a dynamic attacking player who can also play wide. As only Paqueta right now seems remotely able to play there in our current squad, and even he lacks the speed and ball carrying ability to majorly succeed there IMO.

Both of our SS signings should also be able to play wide.

Once we follow this kind of thinking then the only major difference is if we play 4312 primarily then we'll need an immense LB. We can get by with RR and wide forward systems, but not in a 4312.

It really would be silly indeed to sign specialist TQ's or specialist SS's, but the good thing is, nowadays these types of players don't really exist, as almost everyone plays with wide players and single CF systems.

So someone in the mould of Ziyech for TQ who can play wide, works extremely hard, attacks space off the ball, and can carry the ball with decent pace would be the archetype signing.
 

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Giampaolo doesn’t play with a specialist trequartista like the older version of 4-3-1-2. The front 3 move around constantly. As they should. Paqueta I think is quite ideal for the role.
 

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"Forced, impractical" as in it wasn't decided based on what he had available or results.
There are few cases in Top 4 leagues where 4312 is the best choice and they typically involve rare players like Pirlo, Ibra and Suarez.
If you have already decided to go with 4312 before even being appointed, then, well.....

and looking at his results, defensive record and admittedly strong tactical effort he put in at Sampdoria with the players he had available, I can't say 4312 looked optimal for all 3 of those rosters.

i dont know what formation we will play or why would even giampaolo come to acm based on his overall results. but from other hand best team he ever trained is sampdoria ... not much you can show this days in italy if you dont get chance with 'serieA big team'

will be interesting to see what kind of players we will get ... last winger with some quality (and basic winger characteristic) we had is probably bona ... + niang. :fp::fp::lol::lol:
 

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The attackers we sign need to be versatile and dynamic. Our trequartista signing needs to be a dynamic attacking player who can also play wide. As only Paqueta right now seems remotely able to play there in our current squad, and even he lacks the speed and ball carrying ability to majorly succeed there IMO.

Both of our SS signings should also be able to play wide.

Once we follow this kind of thinking then the only major difference is if we play 4312 primarily then we'll need an immense LB. We can get by with RR and wide forward systems, but not in a 4312.

It really would be silly indeed to sign specialist TQ's or specialist SS's, but the good thing is, nowadays these types of players don't really exist, as almost everyone plays with wide players and single CF systems.

So someone in the mould of Ziyech for TQ who can play wide, works extremely hard, attacks space off the ball, and can carry the ball with decent pace would be the archetype signing.

:thumbsup:
Such limited trequartisti and second strikers are very rare indeed, but there's the possibility/fear the second striker(s) will be one of those failed CFs rather than a proper fantasista.
I'm not a fan of the Defrel or Gastón Pereiro type.
Luckily Atalanta was there to take Muriel away at least.




Giampaolo doesn’t play with a specialist trequartista like the older version of 4-3-1-2. The front 3 move around constantly. As they should. Paqueta I think is quite ideal for the role.

It does look like what Allegri would describe as "4-3-let's see what happens".
Allegri deployed that when he had the personnel for it, and dropped it when he lost the proper second strikers and received a wide forward.

I hope Giampaolo is as pragmatical. His track record with this brand of football is not like Gasperini's. We don't know if there's a huge upside to it that can justify this rigid approach. He doesn't even have a long history of it. It only began with Empoli in 2015.

I really hope he surprises me, but this looks really bad.
I think his overly tactical approach and emphasis on the collective might benefit us in the long run, but we need Top 4 next season.



As for Paqueta, I'm not sure he has the tempo or pace in him for it, or the other winger qualities. He struggles as it is, coming from the slow tempo of Brazilian league. CAM in a "4-3-let's see what happens" requires extraordinary athleticism. Guys like KPB, Coutinho(at LPool) and Delle Ali have/had that. Paq looks nowhere close to it, and I don't think it's due to the lack of rest.
 
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Putting all our eggs on the Paqueta basket won’t work of course. We need an alternative for him. Before we get there though, I’d like to see a balanced team with a clear identity in attacking and defensive phases. That’s something Giampaolo is obsessed about. Gattuso also prioritized that, but simply didn’t have the players nor the environment to execute it. Hopefully Marco gets both.
 

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Official: Marco Giampaolo

The man with two first names. I like him already.

Buon lavoro, Mister!
 

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Better not fuck it up.

I want a sexy 4th with no stress.
 

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Good luck to this guy. Hopefully it works out, we are all tired of mediocre coaches.
 
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