Spanish La Liga Thread (BBVA)

Az. · Jan 4, 2016

Wild said:
Pippo wasnt a tactical wizard like Zidane was.
In fact , I predicted Pippo will be a shit manager.
It will be very rare for players like Gatu , Pippo to be managers, they were more about passion & being pros than being smart & tactical.
On the other hand guys like Pirlo , Seedorf were all tactical.
So for me I would be surprise if one of the first group made it as managers while on the other hand I would be surprised if the second group failed.

People and Gattuso where the definition of tactical players. They both had amazing sense of position on the field, what the fuck are you on again? :lol:

But its one thing to know it, and another to explain it to others and motivate them and so on.

P.S: Madrid are clowns.

Wild · Jan 4, 2016

Pippo & Gatu were pure passion , position wizards & great pros....skills that are hard to pass on.
Both werent tactical at all & for sure not technical , in fact Pippo was technically a mess.
Both could be great motivators but not tactical managers.
Its more likely that people like Pirlo & Seedorf to become good managers than people like Gatu or Pippo.

joyrider · Jan 4, 2016

Manchester United are willing to meet Neymar's ?140m release clause, according to various reports cited by the Manchester Evening News.

Please sell and flop.

Qaas · Jan 4, 2016

Will barca sell neymar though? Dont think so.

Allan_Sombrero · Jan 4, 2016

joyrider said:
Manchester United are willing to meet Neymar's ?140m release clause, according to various reports cited by the Manchester Evening News.

Please sell and flop.

Let's put to the test if he can carry a team like Suarez can.

Casualista · Jan 4, 2016

Allan_Somewhere said:
Let's put to the test if he can carry a team like Suarez can.

I doubt he can carry anything on this back.

But we cant be sure without massaro's opinion. Massaro please give us your opinion.

Goodfella · Jan 4, 2016

Qaas said:
Will barca sell neymar though? Dont think so.

If another club activates his release clause then it's all up to the player, like Gotze's case.

I doubt Neymar wants to leave for Manure, but his dad will definitely try to take advantage of the situation. New contract for his boy, and perhaps another lorry full of money for himself?

Qaas · Jan 4, 2016

Neymar would dominate that overrated league

Qaas · Jan 4, 2016

Goodfella said:
If another club activates his release clause then it's all up to the player, like Gotze's case.

I doubt Neymar wants to leave for Manure, but his dad will definitely try to take advantage of the situation. New contract for his boy, and perhaps another lorry full of money for himself?

Aa okaay.. Then as u wrote I don't think he would want to leave barcelona.
Some people say that he might not want to play second fiddle to messi. But he stated a lot of times that he likes to play with messi and it is a "dream come true"

yagami7gnr · Jan 4, 2016

Qaas said:
Neymar would dominate that overrated league

Maybe. The only thing he would not have is the help from referees like Uefalona does (or Madrid)

Allan_Sombrero · Jan 4, 2016

Tfat said:
I doubt he can carry anything on this back.

But we cant be sure without massaro's opinion. Massaro please give us your opinion.

Yes we need Massaro's gifs of how well he has played against English teams.

But wait...

Has he ever played against an English team? :conf:

Goodfella said:
If another club activates his release clause then it's all up to the player, like Gotze's case.

I doubt Neymar wants to leave for Manure, but his dad will definitely try to take advantage of the situation. New contract for his boy, and perhaps another lorry full of money for himself?

His dad would be stupid to move and expose how spoon-fed Neymar is by Suarez.

Tadej · Jan 5, 2016

Allan_Somewhere said:
I wonder if Zidane's Madrid will be as inconsistent as he was as a player

This guy

Mr Delicious · Jan 5, 2016

Allan_Somewhere said:
I wonder if Zidane's Madrid will be as inconsistent as he was as a player

Allan_Somewhere said:
His dad would be stupid to move and expose how spoon-fed Neymar is by Suarez.

You got some interesting opinions

Soldier_of_god · Jan 5, 2016

Wild said:
Pippo & Gatu were pure passion , position wizards & great pros....skills that are hard to pass on.
Both werent tactical at all & for sure not technical , in fact Pippo was technically a mess.
Both could be great motivators but not tactical managers.
Its more likely that people like Pirlo & Seedorf to become good managers than people like Gatu or Pippo.

What exactly do you mean when you say pirla is more tactical than peepo?

Wild · Jan 5, 2016

Allan_Somewhere said:
Let's put to the test if he can carry a team like Suarez can.

He doesnt really need to carry a team on his own to be considered a great player.

And Zidane inconsistent :lol:

milan_swagger said:
What exactly do you mean when you say pirla is more tactical than peepo?

Players have different football IQ.
There ability to understand their part in a tactical plan and their reaction during a game & how they adjust to beat the other team.
For me players like Pirlo , Seedorf , Maldini were smarter than players like Pippo , Gatu & Stam.
It doesnt mean they are better for that reason.

necromancer · Jan 5, 2016

Zidane inconsistent? That's Massaro level.

Soldier_of_god · Jan 5, 2016

Wild said:
He doesnt really need to carry a team on his own to be considered a great player.

And Zidane inconsistent

Players have different football IQ.
There ability to understand their part in a tactical plan and their reaction during a game & how they adjust to beat the other team.
For me players like Pirlo , Seedorf , Maldini were smarter than players like Pippo , Gatu & Stam.
It doesnt mean they are better for that reason.

To me it seems like you have grouped the more technical players as being tactically astute. I dont see how gattuso is less tactically sound compared to say someone like seedorf. In terms of positioning and awareness, he is just as good.

MilanMB · Jan 5, 2016

Wild said:
Both werent tactical at all

How can you say that?

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Zidane was kind of inconsistent, at times. It's not a crazy thing to say.

joyrider · Jan 5, 2016

Former Real Madrid GM Jorge Valdano feels the appointment of Zinedine Zidane is a "gamble".

Zizou was named new coach yesterday after the sacking of Rafa Benitez.

"Zidane is a gamble for his lack of experience," said Valdano, who has sympathy with Benitez.

"Benitez has struggled to fit his precise ideas into a squad with many midfielders.

"Benitez made more effort to please the club than the club to please Benitez."

Former Real midfielder David Beckham, meanwhile, was supportive of the change.

He posted on Instagram: "A man who has been the best in the game we all love, taking over a club I love.

"Someone with drive, passion and who does not accept failure at any level. Taking over a position that requires experience and respect in the game, but assuming a position that he will enjoy.

"The best person for this position."

some reports say that zizou wants hazard

Wild · Jan 5, 2016

milan_swagger said:
To me it seems like you have grouped the more technical players as being tactically astute. I dont see how gattuso is less tactically sound compared to say someone like seedorf. In terms of positioning and awareness, he is just as good.

I dont know but Gatu's skills are natural , you either have them or you dont.
It will be tough to pass them on.
Gatu can be a great motivator though.
On the other hand Seedorf is smarter and he could , I repeat he could find it easier to become a coach.

MilanMB said:
How can you say that?

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Zidane was kind of inconsistent, at times. It's not a crazy thing to say.

Zidane was more consistent than many other legends.

Soldier_of_god · Jan 5, 2016

Wild said:
I dont know but Gatu's skills are natural , you either have them or you dont.
It will be tough to pass them on.
Gatu can be a great motivator though.
On the other hand Seedorf is smarter and he could , I repeat he could find it easier to become a coach.

Zidane was more consistent than many other legends.

But gattuso had positioning sense and was tactically brilliant. I dont see how you can say that seedorf was smarter. Seedorf had more guile and was technically adept which gives you the impression about him being very clever.

In saying that, ancelotti was a DM and he is a great coach. Just saying.

Dejan · Jan 5, 2016

Zidane tactically sound :lol:

Arsene · Jan 5, 2016

milan_swagger said:
To me it seems like you have grouped the more technical players as being tactically astute. I dont see how gattuso is less tactically sound compared to say someone like seedorf. In terms of positioning and awareness, he is just as good.

Pippo could possibly be the msartest of that lot imo. the man had not much pace, strength or great technical ability. Yet he made it at the highest level. There is nothing that says his understanding of the forward position is less of the understanding Seedorf had of midfield or maldini of defense.

Allan_Sombrero · Jan 5, 2016

Wild said:
He doesnt really need to carry a team on his own to be considered a great player.

Then he will never be one of the GOAT (as his fans claim) if he can't carry a team on his own.

necromancer said:
Zidane inconsistent? That's Massaro level.

Wild said:
And Zidane inconsistent

You guys are older than me and should know how inconsistent he was in his career.

Wild · Jan 5, 2016

Allan_Somewhere said:
Then he will never be one of the GOAT (as his fans claim) if he can't carry a team on his own.

Guy is still young.
Neymar at 23 > Suarez at 23.

Allan_Somewhere said:
You guys are older than me and should know how inconsistent he was in his career.

We are indeed older than you to remember that he was consistent.
Or , if you dont believe us then know we are older than you and we know better

milan_swagger said:
But gattuso had positioning sense and was tactically brilliant. I dont see how you can say that seedorf was smarter. Seedorf had more guile and was technically adept which gives you the impression about him being very clever.

In saying that, ancelotti was a DM and he is a great coach. Just saying.

So what ?
It isnt about position.
Am not saying that Zidane & Seedorf could , notice the word could , become good coaches because they were attacking mids , am just saying that their football IQ , IMO , is higher.
Pep , Semeone & Conte are defensive minded mids & yet they made great coaches. and Carlo is the same.

Like if you give me Baresi & Billy .... I would think directly that Baresi could make a better coach.
If you give me CR7 & Messi ... I would think again that Messi could make a better coach.

And am a defensive fan , so give me solid team defensively over a headless attacking team I will go with the first.

Allan_Sombrero · Jan 5, 2016

Wild said:
Guy is still young.
Neymar at 23 > Suarez at 23.

You're crazy.

You do realize at that age Suarez was top scorer in the Dutch league with 35 goals and was the breakthrough player for Uruguay in the world cup?

Suarez has always stood out despite the lack of talent he was surrounded with. Neymar has it easy now since Barcelona is a very strong team.

Wild said:
We are indeed older than you to remember that he was consistent.
Or , if you dont believe us then know we are older than you and we know better

Don't lie to yourself Wild. Remember the 1998 world cup, Juventus days, and even his Real Madrid days where he didn't care to show up for the lesser matches.

Soldier_of_god · Jan 5, 2016

Ronaldo would make a better coach than messi tbh.
Back to your comment.
Maradona was possibly the greatest player ever. Again, a creative player, but look at him as coach. He was Pathetic in a coaching role.

Most great coaches are usually defensive minded coaches.

Soldier_of_god · Jan 5, 2016

Allan_Somewhere said:
You're crazy.

You do realize at that age Suarez was top scorer in the Dutch league with 35 goals and was the breakthrough player for Uruguay in the world cup?

Suarez has always stood out despite the lack of talent he was surrounded with. Neymar has it easy now since Barcelona is a very strong team.

Don't lie to yourself Wild. Remember the 1998 world cup, Juventus days, and even his Real Madrid days where he didn't care to show up for the lesser matches.

Neymar never was and never will be greater than suarez who is soon going to become a GOAT of this era.

leaf · Jan 5, 2016

To me the CM's and DM's become the best coaches:
Ancelotti, Guardiola, Brocchi

o) Capello, Trapattoni Rijkaard, etc. All of these guys have CL winning teams.

Forwards and attacking mids tend to struggle : Giggs, Shearer, Van Basten, Pippp, Maradonna

History isn't quite on ZZ's side

To my mind only Low can be considered an elite coach with Klinsman and Roberto Mancini being so-so

necromancer · Jan 5, 2016

Allan_Somewhere said:
Don't lie to yourself Wild. Remember the 1998 world cup, Juventus days, and even his Real Madrid days where he didn't care to show up for the lesser matches.

What are you saying? He was as consistent as any top player of the era.

He would fade out in the occasional France match, which hardly matters in my view. National team performance is always touch and go considering all the hype and limited rest involved. Inconsistent is a very incorrect thing to call Zidane.

'Inconsistent' is a far more appropriate thing to call someone like Seedorf or Del Piero or Guti.

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