English Premier League Thread II

hdcantona · May 19, 2012

no matter how he does, within 6 months he'll either be a future legend or a flop

HeroMaldini · May 20, 2012

manutd fan said:
United have just bought Nick Powell from Crewe, for 4M apparently. 18 year old midfielder. We beat Spurs to get him.

Anyone know anything about him?

he sounds shit.

Kalac#16 · May 20, 2012

Leeds linked with Owen.

Won't happen, he'd want too much money and seemingly everybody is leaving this summer.

Still, he's probably going to end up in the Championship soon.

Idris · May 20, 2012

Kalac#16 said:
Might as well celebrate anothers misfortune when you'll be playing Europa next year

Sonny.Bill.Williams · May 20, 2012

Kalac#16 · May 20, 2012

Idris said:

You're not really allowed to contribute when you disappear every time there is a draw/loss. Sorry

Casualista · May 20, 2012

HeroMaldini said:
he sounds shit.

manutd fan · May 21, 2012

Kalac#16 said:
Leeds linked with Owen.

Won't happen, he'd want too much money and seemingly everybody is leaving this summer.

Still, he's probably going to end up in the Championship soon.

Stoke want him too.

manutd fan · May 21, 2012

Sky Sources: Eden Hazard wants to join Manchester United

Take that for what it's worth. It's also been confirmed by Hazard himself that Chelsea are in for him. According to Lille's president (I think) a 4th team has entered the race.

It would be a miracle if we got him considering City are the EPL champions, Chelsea are the CL winners and both clubs can and will offer him far better wages than United.

necromancer · May 21, 2012

Fake page circulating everywhere, which says Man Utd have signed Hazard. Even ESPN believed it and tweeted officially.

knockout ned · May 21, 2012

neutral said:
Yeah agreed Man City wages are over exaggerated by the press. Your transfer fees are not however, you've spent the most in this area. Another thing is that Man City can just out muscle any other club in a bidding war be it transfer fee and salary. This sort of thing easily effects the market negatively for other clubs.

In what sense though?

I mean, Milan haven't had to overpay for a player purely because City are rich. It would only ever effect you if we entered into a bidding war with you, for the same player, which is unlikely. Even then, ffp dictates that we can't do anything too stupid.

Milan broke the world transfer record 3 times in the late 80's/early 90's, and it was Berlusconi's millions which turned you from a side who were on the verge of bankruptcy (much like City), who had only recently been promoted back to Serie A, to a side who would dominate European football. Practically every top club dining at the top table in European football is culpable for what is happening now. The only difference is, Milan, like many other clubs, are now part of the established order, and what you did is "accepted history".

It will only keep snowballing. In the last 10 years we've had Chelsea, City, PSG, Malaga. In the next 10-20 years they'll probably be half a dozen more, who take it to a new level.

knockout ned · May 21, 2012

manutd fan said:
Sky Sources: Eden Hazard wants to join Manchester United

Take that for what it's worth. It's also been confirmed by Hazard himself that Chelsea are in for him. According to Lille's president (I think) a 4th team has entered the race.

It would be a miracle if we got him considering City are the EPL champions, Chelsea are the CL winners and both clubs can and will offer him far better wages than United.

Sky Sources :fp:

Hahaha it will be Brain Swanson looking on that fake United site on his Blackberry. :lol:

TheoLeo · May 21, 2012

knockout ned said:
In what sense though?

I mean, Milan haven't had to overpay for a player purely because City are rich. It would only ever effect you if we entered into a bidding war with you, for the same player, which is unlikely. Even then, ffp dictates that we can't do anything too stupid.

Milan broke the world transfer record 3 times in the late 80's/early 90's, and it was Berlusconi's millions which turned you from a side who were on the verge of bankruptcy (much like City), who had only recently been promoted back to Serie A, to a side who would dominate European football. Practically every top club dining at the top table in European football is culpable for what is happening now. The only difference is, Milan, like many other clubs, are now part of the established order, and what you did is "accepted history".

It will only keep snowballing. In the last 10 years we've had Chelsea, City, PSG, Malaga. In the next 10-20 years they'll probably be half a dozen more, who take it to a new level.

Yes history should "be accepted":

There is no comparison between Berlusconi's Milan and ManC and Ch$lsky.
Every club has it's own history, and Milan were 2 times European champion, and have won some more silverware in Europe before Berlusconi took over.
The team was still quite good, only problem was money, coz former president Farina run away to South Africa with Milan's money. You have to admit that the team thet have players like F.Baresi, P.Maldini, M.Tassoti, R.Wilkins, M.Hartley.....etc was a competitive team without the money. Also, Berlusconi was not buying any players that was around to be bought. His buying were wisely targeted under advise of genius of A.Sacchi. ManU Alex Ferguson is also buying wisely, and having more success, spending less then ManC & Chelsea!
And here is one example: R. Abramovich spent around 1BN, over 9 years to win 1 CL. S.Berlusconi spent less then 1BN over 26 years to win 5 CL !!

And to make the long story short - you cant buy class!

Kalac#16 · May 21, 2012

TheoLeo said:
Yes history should "be accepted":

There is no comparison between Berlusconi's Milan and ManC and Ch$lsky.
Every club has it's own history, and Milan were 2 times European champion, and have won some more silverware in Europe before Berlusconi took over.
The team was still quite good, only problem was money, coz former president Farina run away to South Africa with Milan's money. You have to admit that the team thet have players like F.Baresi, P.Maldini, M.Tassoti, R.Wilkins, M.Hartley.....etc was a competitive team without the money. Also, Berlusconi was not buying any players that was around to be bought. His buying were wisely targeted under advise of genius of A.Sacchi. ManU Alex Ferguson is also buying wisely, and having more success, spending less then ManC & Chelsea!
And here is one example: R. Abramovich spent around 1BN, over 9 years to win 1 CL. S.Berlusconi spent less then 1BN over 26 years to win 5 CL !!

And to make the long story short - you cant buy class!

Elitist crap.

So if a club hasn't won anything pre -1980 they should be forced to stay a small club? Do they not deserve a chance at winning anything? Your example is useless too, they're 30 years apart. Of course the spending amounts are going to be very different.

I don't like Man City, far from it. But they're not really any different to any other club that has emerged at the top. They've just done it a time when money plays an even bigger part in football than ever before.

TheoLeo · May 21, 2012

Kalac#16 said:
Elitist crap.

So if a club hasn't won anything pre -1980 they should be forced to stay a small club? Do they not deserve a chance at winning anything? Your example is useless too, they're 30 years apart. Of course the spending amounts are going to be very different.

I don't like Man City, far from it. But they're not really any different to any other club that has emerged at the top. They've just done it a time when money plays an even bigger part in football than ever before.

Sorry, but you missundertood me. I do not say that small club have to stay small forever, if they didnt win anything before taken over by rich fools!
I was just saying that there is no comparison between SB & the others, simply because he had "advatage" of buying a big club with no money? OK
Sorry, but I dont see ManC & Chelsea as a big clubs, at least in Europe, before they have been bought by richies. just IMHO.

I see you are from Leeds, a club with a history of succsess? Right. Now hypoteticaly if someone start pumping big money to them they would probably have more chance to become winners sooner and maybe with less investment. Hence you cant buy class!

manutd fan · May 21, 2012

For the record, before City even became rich they were more successful than Leeds. Leeds are/were still the bigger club though.

knockout ned said:
Sky Sources

Hahaha it will be Brain Swanson looking on that fake United site on his Blackberry.

Paddy Crerrand has said he has a good source that told him Hazard is off to City for £38M.

HeroMaldini · May 21, 2012

if city buy t.silva from us im puttin money on them to win the CL next season

Casualista · May 21, 2012

HeroMaldini said:
if city buy t.silva from us im puttin money on them to win the CL next season

ok how much? i'll gladly bet against u. Mancini winning ucl :lol:

Kalac#16 · May 21, 2012

Mostly I'm just bitter that City have succesfully done what both Leeds and Villa failed to do, spend their way to the top. Although I suppose Leeds were a couple of games away from winning leagues/CL's.

knockout ned · May 21, 2012

TheoLeo said:
Yes history should "be accepted":

There is no comparison between Berlusconi's Milan and ManC and Ch$lsky.
Every club has it's own history, and Milan were 2 times European champion, and have won some more silverware in Europe before Berlusconi took over.
The team was still quite good, only problem was money, coz former president Farina run away to South Africa with Milan's money. You have to admit that the team thet have players like F.Baresi, P.Maldini, M.Tassoti, R.Wilkins, M.Hartley.....etc was a competitive team without the money. Also, Berlusconi was not buying any players that was around to be bought. His buying were wisely targeted under advise of genius of A.Sacchi. ManU Alex Ferguson is also buying wisely, and having more success, spending less then ManC & Chelsea!
And here is one example: R. Abramovich spent around 1BN, over 9 years to win 1 CL. S.Berlusconi spent less then 1BN over 26 years to win 5 CL !!

And to make the long story short - you cant buy class!

That's a bit elitist.

You're league positions in the the few seasons before Berlusconi came in were 8th, 5th, and 7th. Before that, you had been relegated to Serie B.

Aswell as some great players coming through, you also bought Papin, Rossi, Boban, Savicevic, Gullit, Van Basten, Rijkaard, Lentini, Desailly, Baggio, Laudrup, Weah, Ancelotti, Donadoni, within a 10 year period. Imagine the value of those players in today's market?

You basically did what City and Chelsea have done, and that is spend whatever was necessary to become a successful team, which over a period of time would be able to use that success to be able to financially sustain itself.

And the statement about class. :

What's classy about Totonero and Calciopoli? Sorry not trying to have a dig, but you can't just make throw away statements like that. It's like you think football only began to exist from the moment you started watching it.

manutd fan · May 21, 2012

You've all bought success. You can't expect teams like City, Chelsea, Leeds, Liverpool, Milan, Madrid and Barcelona to have as much class and dignity as Manchester United. It's just not possible...

KujaIX · May 21, 2012

It's not like Manutd don't spend.

And they're not even in the same bracket class-wise.

acmilan4ever · May 21, 2012

Paddy Crerand( #MUFC reporter) just said on MUTV that Eden Hazard to Manchester City for 38 million is a done deal. #CFC #MUFC #MCFC

Who's this Paddy fellow? And is he reliable?

manutd fan · May 21, 2012

acmilan4ever said:
Paddy Crerand( #MUFC reporter) just said on MUTV that Eden Hazard to Manchester City for 38 million is a done deal. #CFC #MUFC #MCFC

Who's this Paddy fellow? And is he reliable?

Played for United from 63-71. Good mates with a lot of ex City players from that period. He isn't going to lie, it's whether his 'sources' are the ones who're bullshitting.

He got Nasri wrong last year, but then it did seem like we were going to get him until City came in and threw an extra 0 on his contract.

Basically, fuck knows.

KujaIX said:
It's not like Manutd don't spend.

And they're not even in the same bracket class-wise.

pffft

You wouldn't know anything about class anyway

knockout ned · May 21, 2012

acmilan4ever said:
Paddy Crerand( #MUFC reporter) just said on MUTV that Eden Hazard to Manchester City for 38 million is a done deal. #CFC #MUFC #MCFC

Who's this Paddy fellow? And is he reliable?

Ex United player, and probably less reliable than Eden Hazard, who says he doesn't know where he's going yet.

KujaIX · May 21, 2012

manutd fan said:
pffft

You wouldn't know anything about class anyway

Is that because I'm from Oxford and you're from Manchester?

acmilan4ever · May 21, 2012

^Rudi Garcia, Lille manager said four clubs want him and right after Chelsea won the CL, Hazard seemed to have changed his mind. He didn't name the 4rth club but I'm sure that City are favs regardless.

Also heard that there is going to be a friendly between City and Lille.

Gio · May 21, 2012

knockout ned said:
That's a bit elitist.

You're league positions in the the few seasons before Berlusconi came in were 8th, 5th, and 7th. Before that, you had been relegated to Serie B.

Aswell as some great players coming through, you also bought Papin, Rossi, Boban, Savicevic, Gullit, Van Basten, Rijkaard, Lentini, Desailly, Baggio, Laudrup, Weah, Ancelotti, Donadoni, within a 10 year period. Imagine the value of those players in today's market?

You basically did what City and Chelsea have done, and that is spend whatever was necessary to become a successful team, which over a period of time would be able to use that success to be able to financially sustain itself.

And the statement about class. :

What's classy about Totonero and Calciopoli? Sorry not trying to have a dig, but you can't just make throw away statements like that. It's like you think football only began to exist from the moment you started watching it.

When people have a go at City/Chelsea for buying success without realising Milan's history, it is a bit foolish, however whilst Milan also bought success, I think the difference is how many of the key players in the successes were brought through the ranks, the likes of Baresi, Maldini, Tassotti, for example. City don't have anything the likes of this in aid of their most recent titles. Especially the first two I mentioned were complete legacies in football and would walk into any historic world XI.

ManU sux · May 21, 2012

Why does Man city have 3 stars on their crest? did they win a bunch of titles before 1950?

knockout ned · May 21, 2012

acmilan4ever said:
^Rudi Garcia, Lille manager said four clubs want him and right after Chelsea won the CL, Hazard seemed to have changed his mind. He didn't name the 4rth club but I'm sure that City are favs regardless.

Also heard that there is going to be a friendly between City and Lille.

Yeah there's definitely a City vs Lille friendly.

I don't think he's changed his mind. He's just being a twat because we won't give him or his agent stupid money. Everything else was supposedly sorted.

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