The Rumour Commode XXIII: The Reality Era

OVUNQUE CON TE · Jun 24, 2018

When will we become a settled and stable football club? This is becoming a joke.

mrki · Jun 24, 2018

MarioReality said:
Sometimes, having a business that "loses" money is beneficial, for tax purposes.

Milan is huge, but football clubs rarely if ever make profits. This may be a tax break for owners, potentially. They'll still spend a ton, cuz it's a break on their "real businesses"

True in a way

abritcemeng · Jun 24, 2018

Khurrisu said:
Moral of the story here is that you shouldn't fuck with UEFA.

We get banned due to revenue lower than expenses.. but they demand another expenses by a fine? Fuck them

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Jasper · Jun 24, 2018

Thenebra said:
WildBoyz

~~never lose it ~~

char21 · Jun 24, 2018

Ricketts or Comisso or other Mr. X...anybody is better than Mr. Li.

Goodfella · Jun 24, 2018

Batman said:
So apparently Berlusconi was an inter fan before becoming the most successful president in history with MILAN. Yes to Rocco

That's just a rumor based on a supposed failed attempt from Berlu to buy Inter in 1978. It might be true, but Silvio denies it and he has the benefit of the doubt.
Unlike this guy, who wants to leave no doubt that not only was he a childhood Juve fan but also passionate enough to let it decide his business decisions even today.
It may have been just lies that he made up to appease Agnelli's, but there's no way to defend it or deny it in front of Milan fans. Fan/owner relations are important, as our attendance figures have shown, and this one is doomed to fail.

No thanks.

Sage · Jun 24, 2018

Goodfella said:
Fan/owner relations are important, as our attendance figures have shown, and this one is doomed to fail.

No thanks.

beacon of positivity as usual

it's definitely not a good look if he's a juventino and open about it, but the most important thing is that he's willing to own a successful club. he's a businessman, so it's not like he's going to ruin the club on purpose.

Goodfella · Jun 24, 2018

Sage said:
beacon of positivity as usual

it's definitely not a good look if he's a juventino and open about it, but the most important thing is that he's willing to own a successful club. he's a businessman, so it's not like he's going to ruin the club on purpose.

Just being realistic.

I've seen too many signings and decisions in this club that were doomed to fail from the get go, to delude myself into thinking that it will somehow work.

This is not comparable to my stance on Ricketts though. The task might be extremely tough, but I'm all for them replacing Mr. L.

Rossoneri97 · Jun 24, 2018

Samaldinho said:
It seems reports about the Ricketts buying Milan are trying to use the model of the Cubs as a proxy for what would happen with Milan.

Ricketts, or anyone buying a team, is not going to be stupid about how to approach a different market. Major League Baseball, and indeed all American sports, run in an extremely different way that European Football clubs.

Ricketts invested heavily in management, scouting, and coaching; he used the draft to get better players (and poor seasons) to pick higher in the draft, the Cubs star is Kris Bryant while they also traded for Anthony Rizzo, Jake Arrieta, and paid big contracts to players like John Lester (155m dollar contract). They stockpiled talent in their minor league (like B teams and primavera) and brought up players from there, or used them to get other players.

Anyway, the point is this: American sports don't have transfer fees. They sign free agents for big money, or they have to trade players, or draft them, which does not exist in European Football.

The idea that Ricketts is going to buy a European club and then be shocked when he can't draft players, that losing strategically to improve draft position, and that there is no equivalent system of trading to get players is hilarious. Anyone who buys a club knows that they will have to buy players, they can't just trade for them (it doesn't happen that much) and it will require serious injections of cash to push forward.

Milan already has an incredible young foundation to build upon, that job is done, and it seems like our primavera is stacked with talent. The issue is that we need more consistent performers. We need experience. Which requires money invested into the team.

The Cubs are a potential destination for Bryce Harper, who would potentially be the first 400 million dollar player. So it seems that the Ricketts aren't as conservative as people are really making them out to be. They're smart. They pay money where it is needed, and frankly, they used the system to build up the Cubs into a very strong team. That same system doesn't exist in Europe, so I think people saying the Ricketts aren't going to do this, or that any American sports team owner will do this or that is silly, because whatever they do in their NBA, MLB, or NFL team cannot be replicated at Milan, or any European team, the rules are different.

Even if the rules are different , the idea of running the club seems great. If we become stable enough to start earning profit and become something similar to RM then it will be a win for the fans ,the club and the cup cabinet.

Khurrisu · Jun 24, 2018

Fraud li strikes again .

necromancer · Jun 24, 2018

Ah Galatioto's presence?

Thenebra · Jun 24, 2018

Gazzetta - FPF, domani la sentenza Uefa: il Milan trema, rischia una multa e due anni senza coppe

2 year ban? Is this italian journalism at its finest? Is the average reader just a mindleass zombie?!

Neo'82 · Jun 24, 2018

If Li lingers on, then it will likely be a 2 year ban.

Burlesqoni · Jun 24, 2018

Neo'82 said:
If Li lingers on, then it will likely be a 2 year ban.

Did you see that in your cereals this morning or?

Neo'82 · Jun 24, 2018

Burlesqoni said:
Did you see that in your cereals this morning or?

No need for a crystal ball when it comes to Li. Clear as day. It will still be glorious after the TAS appeal, right?

Neo'82 · Jun 24, 2018

There's currently decisive hours in New York for the negotiations between Yonghong Li and Commisso. Currently, Comisso is the favourite for the purchase of Milan. Li wants it to be done quickly, so he can return the €32M to Elliott, which has a deadline in 10 days. [Sky]

MilanBG · Jun 24, 2018

New talks about a 2-year ban. Don't want to believe it but this scenario really worries me. Would be a complete disaster.

Neo'82 · Jun 24, 2018

Gustavo Gomez has now interest from the German club Wolfsburg, while Cristian Zapata has rejected the offer from Boca Juniors, because he prefers to stay in Europe. [Sky]

Neo'82 · Jun 24, 2018

MilanBG said:
New talks about a 2-year ban. Don't want to believe it but this scenario really worries me. Would be a complete disaster.

Reportedly, the 2nd year ban if the club has losses over 30M in season 2018/19.

jurinius · Jun 24, 2018

Samaldinho said:
It seems reports about the Ricketts buying Milan are trying to use the model of the Cubs as a proxy for what would happen with Milan.

Ricketts, or anyone buying a team, is not going to be stupid about how to approach a different market. Major League Baseball, and indeed all American sports, run in an extremely different way that European Football clubs.

Ricketts invested heavily in management, scouting, and coaching; he used the draft to get better players (and poor seasons) to pick higher in the draft, the Cubs star is Kris Bryant while they also traded for Anthony Rizzo, Jake Arrieta, and paid big contracts to players like John Lester (155m dollar contract). They stockpiled talent in their minor league (like B teams and primavera) and brought up players from there, or used them to get other players.

Anyway, the point is this: American sports don't have transfer fees. They sign free agents for big money, or they have to trade players, or draft them, which does not exist in European Football.

The idea that Ricketts is going to buy a European club and then be shocked when he can't draft players, that losing strategically to improve draft position, and that there is no equivalent system of trading to get players is hilarious. Anyone who buys a club knows that they will have to buy players, they can't just trade for them (it doesn't happen that much) and it will require serious injections of cash to push forward.

Milan already has an incredible young foundation to build upon, that job is done, and it seems like our primavera is stacked with talent. The issue is that we need more consistent performers. We need experience. Which requires money invested into the team.

The Cubs are a potential destination for Bryce Harper, who would potentially be the first 400 million dollar player. So it seems that the Ricketts aren't as conservative as people are really making them out to be. They're smart. They pay money where it is needed, and frankly, they used the system to build up the Cubs into a very strong team. That same system doesn't exist in Europe, so I think people saying the Ricketts aren't going to do this, or that any American sports team owner will do this or that is silly, because whatever they do in their NBA, MLB, or NFL team cannot be replicated at Milan, or any European team, the rules are different.

Exist in Europe even without the same environment. A similar approach is made by Red Bull Enterprise in sport investment (Financial not Marketing cause we all know how aggressive is RB). Many obstacles are break heavy management chain and historical attachment for a Huge institution like ACM + Can fans wait 4 or 5 more years to be competitive again when the new stadium will be ready and lucrative ?

Donato · Jun 24, 2018

#WeAreSuchAJoke

forward · Jun 24, 2018

Donato said:
#WeAreSuchAJoke

The real joke was Berlu keeping the club post 2007 when he clearly couldn't afford it.

Now there's an actual chance to improve. Milan is a massive global brand.
A worthy buyer will emerge eventually.

Khurrisu · Jun 24, 2018

2 years would be such a fraud li verdict.

brk · Jun 24, 2018

jurinius said:
Exist in Europe even without the same environment. A similar approach is made by Red Bull Enterprise in sport investment (Financial not Marketing cause we all know how aggressive is RB). Many obstacles are break heavy management chain and historical attachment for a Huge institution like ACM + Can fans wait 4 or 5 more years to be competitive again when the new stadium will be ready and lucrative ?

It wouldn't be like they're sacrificing short term success for long term stability. We already made the painful transition to a young team so we're already on that path now. What they mean by medium/long term is that they will invest heavily in a world class scouting network, in good professional management and a new stadium. It's the same model tha Roma and Juve are on and that msot Serie A teams need to do to survive. The top, top talent will always end up at PL, Real/Barca or PSG. There's just no way to prevent that in a sustainable way. So the best we can hope for at Milan is a professionally run club with a strong core of players and constant investment in youth and if one player breaks out and becomes highly valuable, that player will be sold to profit the club and invest in the next round of youth.

That's the only way to survive. Juve sell Pogba for a record fee and buy half the youth in Serie A. It's a sustainable model because no Serie A team will even be in that top tier where players don't want to leave.

We currently don't have a worthwhile scouting network. The players we bought weren't unknowns, but rather broken players with unfulfilled promise; like Hakan and Rodriguez. We need to find players like Allison and SMS before they become completely out of our reach and that's what why a good management needs to invest in a world class scouting network; and the fruits of that labor take time. But it won't matter much for Milan because we already have very youthful team already. Let's takes around 5 years to develop a well scouted youth player. Our current core of players is around 23-25 years old. That would mean they'll still be in their prime when that new generation comes in.

We're in a good place is what i'm saying.

forward said:
The real joke was Berlu keeping the club post 2007 when he clearly couldn't afford it.

Now there's an actual chance to improve. Milan is a massive global brand.
A worthy buyer will emerge eventually.

There's no point in thinking about that. Had we sold in 2007 and rebuilt that aging squad while still at the top of the world we'd still be talking about Milan on the same level as Real Madrid. You can't buy history and hopefully the new management manages to recapture that history and we regain the position we had before, although the PL and PSG have completely changed the game in terms of how much money needs to be spent to build a top class team...

Burlesqoni · Jun 24, 2018

Neo'82 said:
No need for a crystal ball when it comes to Li. Clear as day. It will still be glorious after the TAS appeal, right?

Maybe not, but when it comes to uefa you might need that ball after all. It's not clear as day, nor is it even likely with a 2-year ban. These circumstances are unprecedented so it would, in fact, be shocking if it turned out they are giving us 2 years when there's not even any grounds for giving us 1 year.

It's a worst case scenario situation, which I guess is the reason it's so appealing to the likes of you. The kind of people who'd fold being 1 goal down in the 60th minute.

It will be glorious when all looser mentality is weeded out. Does your ball see if you're the first to go?

#MontoMentality
#Everythingisalwaysworse

Burlesqoni · Jun 24, 2018

brk said:
no Serie A team will even be in that top tier where players don't want to leave.

For now...

necromancer · Jun 24, 2018

forward said:
The real joke was Berlu keeping the club post 2007 when he clearly couldn't afford it.

Now there's an actual chance to improve. Milan is a massive global brand.

A worthy buyer will emerge eventually.

Crisp and correct analysis.

brk · Jun 24, 2018

Burlesqoni said:
For now...

When the bottom team in the PL has revenues comparable to Juventus in their CL Final season, you know it's pretty much game over. There's nothing Serie can do now, they didn't invest in good infrastructure back when they had a chance in the early 2000's and the PL and teams like Bayern, Barca, RM and PSG are so far ahead in terms of revenue that you can't really catch up anymore. They're growing faster each year and it's just not possible anymore to be a part of that tier, especially with the political and economic state of Italy as a whole.

The French league used to be a joke and the German league was always worse than Italy. Now you can argue that Italy and France are competing for 5th best league in Europe. So much wasted time and potential...

Neo'82 · Jun 24, 2018

Burlesqoni said:
Maybe not, but when it comes to uefa you might need that ball after all. It's not clear as day, nor is it even likely with a 2-year ban. These circumstances are unprecedented so it would, in fact, be shocking if it turned out they are giving us 2 years when there's not even any grounds for giving us 1 year.

It's a worst case scenario situation, which I guess is the reason it's so appealing to the likes of you. The kind of people who'd fold being 1 goal down in the 60th minute.

It will be glorious when all looser mentality is weeded out. Does your ball see if you're the first to go?

#MontoMentality
#Everythingisalwaysworse

Well... if you are ignorant enough to actually believe the current situation is rosy, then good for you.

The only losers on here are the ones that use secondary profiles to 'try' attack opinions that don't fit their primary narrative. It's always glorious to see the weeds clearly..

MKD_z0ki · Jun 24, 2018

so free transfers this mercato?

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