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im starting to hate gattuso cuz i think he scares the shit outta allegri otherwise how could he be included when he is suspended for that long ? i really don't get it

If you don't add Gattuso in the list then it won't be considered that he has missed the games.

He has to do that in order to play for the subsequent games.

Plus, he should be available against the return leg for Barca in Milan.
 

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who cares if el shaarawy is out, its not like hes going to play regularly for Milan this season, I bet he plays for the primavera and gets a few games in the coppa italia and 10min cameos here and there.

Milan suck balls with youth, you guys should already know that :thumbsup:
 

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El Shaarawy doesn't have to be registered. He's young enough to just be called up. Same with Kingsley Boateng and whoever.

I think Ash was right with the De Sciglio thing... we needed to include him to have 3/4 players trained at the club in youth.. I think Pato may qualify too now, but I'm unsure.

Antonini is one, Abate another... De Sciglio and we need a 4th.. Ambro?
 

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El Shaarawy doesn't have to be registered. He's young enough to just be called up. Same with Kingsley Boateng and whoever.

I think Ash was right with the De Sciglio thing... we needed to include him to have 3/4 players trained at the club in youth.. I think Pato may qualify too now, but I'm unsure.

Antonini is one, Abate another... De Sciglio and we need a 4th.. Ambro?

I think you only need 3 but they have to be from our youth system, so Pato doesnt qualify.

Ambro came to Milan from Cesena
 

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If you don't add Gattuso in the list then it won't be considered that he has missed the games.

He has to do that in order to play for the subsequent games.

Plus, he should be available against the return leg for Barca in Milan.

Ohhh now thats understandable i didnt know, i was like what the hell is allegri thinking he must've been high or smthng when writing the list lol. thanx for clarifying
 
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We need 4 players formed by the club to uefa list Abbiati-Pato-Antonini-De Sciglio are this players . Ambrosini has been formed by Cesena
 

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Some of you should grow a brain before commenting...

De Sciglio was called up because we HAD TO fullfil our homegrown players (from the youth system) quota, now that Oddo has left the club....

Can you explain the homegrown rule? Why couldn't we use Inzaghi for the homegrown player and use De Sciglio as a B teamer? My understanding is that the player only needs to be trained by a club in the nation in which the competing team is playing. Inzaghi was trained in Italy so I don't see why it doesn't work. Please correct me because I can't find much online about the rule for some reason.

EDIT: meant to post this in the Inzaghi thread, but it still applies here. Also, I just read some of the above posts and it is a little clearer.. Thanks
 
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Can you explain the homegrown rule? Why couldn't we use Inzaghi for the homegrown player and use De Sciglio as a B teamer? My understanding is that the player only needs to be trained by a club in the nation in which the competing team is playing. Inzaghi was trained in Italy so I don't see why it doesn't work. Please correct me because I can't find much online about the rule for some reason.

EDIT: meant to post this in the Inzaghi thread, but it still applies here. Also, I just read some of the above posts and it is a little clearer.. Thanks

You should have a total of 8 homegrown players in the 25 man CL squad

3 out of the 8 have to come from your youth system

So:

Abbiati, Antonini, Nesta, Cassano, Abate, Ambrosini, Gattuso, De Sciglio, Bonera, Amelia, Roma, Nocerino, Zambrotta, Aquilani

8 players out of the above listed contribute to the homegrown rule

The ones listed in bold are from our youth system and contribute to the second requirement

And according to Allegri, Inzaghi was left out because he hasnt fully recovered from his injury but he is more or less likely to be included in the squad for the knockout rounds
 

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Hah, there is a discussion just a few pages before where its amply clear that El Shaarawy can't be put on the B-list.

For the B-list, guy needs to be have youth-trained with us for 2 years AND he needs to be younger than 25. In other words, only homegrown young players can be put in that list.

El-Shaarawy is not home-grown. So no, he cannot play for us.
 

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there are two types of homegrown players according to UEFA rules, the locally trained one and also those who are raised in Serie A (coming from other clubs) you guys can see Inter's list that actually have much more explanation for the list. the non locally trained players can be listed in the 25 A list as homegrown players as well but you need to have at least three locally trained ones I think
So El Shaarawy is homegrown but he is not locally trained yet by Milan.

edit: lol
 
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Will try to make it simpler, based on the info in Inter's website.

You gotta submit a squad of 25. Of this, 4 people should be homegrown at the club. Another 4 should be homegrown anywhere in Italy. These 8 people can be of any age, no age restrictions. We have not included El Shaarawy in this list of 25.

And in addition, you can submit a B-list, which can include another 6 homegrown youth players - homegrown at the club. Here there are age restrictions. We cannot include El Shaarawy in this list, because he's not homegrown at Milan.

Hence, El Shaarawy cannot play the CL group stages with us.
 

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Will try to make it simpler, based on the info in Inter's website.

You gotta submit a squad of 25. Of this, 4 people should be homegrown at the club. Another 4 should be homegrown anywhere in Italy. These 8 people can be of any age, no age restrictions. We have not included El Shaarawy in this list of 25.

And in addition, you can submit a B-list, which can include another 6 homegrown youth players - homegrown at the club. Here there are age restrictions. We cannot include El Shaarawy in this list, because he's not homegrown at Milan.

Hence, El Shaarawy cannot play the CL group stages with us.

"UEFA defines locally-trained or 'homegrown' players as those who, regardless of their nationality, have been trained by their club or by another club in the same national association for at least three years between the age of 15 and 21. Up to half of the locally-trained players must be from the club itself, with the others being either from the club itself or from other clubs in the same association."

Inter have also listed Faraoni in their B list DESPITE him nor being with them for 2 years neither being trained by the club.
 

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So we could have included el shaarawy instead of De Sciglio in the A list?:fp:

Edit- just read Ash's post again. Understood now :D i am just having a brain freeze due to the shock that i wont get to see SES92
 
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Pato does count as a Home grown player now because he started in milan 3 years ago. Anyone under the age of 21 or 20 I believe does not need to be registered and can therefore just be called up to the squad to play, The reason Di Sciglio was included is because of the homegrown rule.
 

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Don't panic Milanisti! If Pippos fit, he'll be in the knockout squad, and El Sharaawy will be in the B squad..#alliswell
 

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2-2 tie against Barca! I think that is a very good result especially since we were the away team.

Barca had most of the possession but we made our chances count, not a bad performance
 

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I think that this team could go far. We really need more quality midfielders in January.

Abate - Nesta - T. Silva - Taiwo
Nocerino - Bommel - Montolivo
----------- Aquilani --------------
-------- Pato --- Ibra ------------
 

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Congo style shit. I advise to read it :lol:
The Big Boys: AC Milan
Posted on September 14, 2011 by andypants

The Champions League is coming. Our annual war atop Olympus approaches, as the angry gods gather themselves and prepare for the bloodbath. The TV money is gonna be insane. Spectacular spectacular.

Down in the foundation of Western civilization, AC Milan are the top seeded team. What’s going on with them? Is Inzaghi really a 5,000 year-old mummy? Let’s find out:

http://tobleronejones.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/the-big-boys-ac-milan/
 

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Saturday 24 September, 2011 Blog: Milan's Inzaghi regrets

Milan have a Champions League striker shortage, so Dave Taylor pays tribute to the man who'd solve the problem, but they can't use


With injuries to Alexandre Pato, Robinho, Zlatan Ibrahimovic and Kevin-Prince Boateng, Milan Coach Massimiliano Allegri might be thinking he made a mistake leaving Pippo Inzaghi off the Champions League list. Certainly there’s a feeling amongst Milan fans that the decision may just come back to haunt him. It would have undoubtedly haunted Viktoria Plzen if Pippo had been playing.

After all, he is one of the greatest strikers of his generation; only one player (Raul) has scored more goals in the Champions League (including qualifying). Andriy Shevchenko, Alfredo Di Stefano, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Thierry Henry and Eusebio, hardly grubby company, are all behind him in that table.

The man himself has an enduring quality, although many would disagree, but you can see it in the desire and determination he puts into every goal. And whether it’s a pre-season friendly or a Champions League final, he celebrates like it was his first ever strike. Arms outstretched, a twisted expression and a quick foxtrot with the corner flag.

He has the sheer bloody-mindedness to score the ugly goals, but also possesses the movement and the intelligence to profit from wonderful pass-masters like Kaka and Andrea Pirlo.

Yet even eulogies on SuperPippo carry nuances of something less acceptable. He is waspish, devious and cunning - never brilliant or exceptional.

The Coach who brought him to San Siro claims he is on the same level as such club legends as George Weah, Marco van Basten and Ruud Gullit. “No great team should be without this kind of killer striker,” noted Carlo Ancelotti.

His worth to the club saw him earn a new contract last summer at the age of 38. A few eyebrows were raised with critics claiming that the role he made for himself as poacher extraordinaire is no longer applicable in football. Yet if that is true, why would a wily old Vice-President like Adriano Galliani give him the extension while claiming Pippo could play until he is 40? “I told Pippo he can be the Jose Altafini of Milan – the man who comes on with half an hour to go and decides the game,” said the bald one.

Galliani knows that the penalty area thief’s role is not dead in football and that when Inzaghi comes onto the pitch, if a goal is needed, that risky seductive pull of exotic otherness is distilled to its shiver-inducing essence. No club that knows its past and is aware of its future like Milan will ever rush into dispensing of such an efficient force of good fortune and talent.

Those specific abilities (luck and skill) that Pippo brings to important games were best exemplified by the two utterly crucial goals he scored in the 2007 Champions League Final against Liverpool.

His first, from a free kick, flew into the net off his upper arm, while the second was pure, unadulterated ability. Kaka picked him out, he spun past two defenders, pulled it wide of the advancing Pepe Reina and with ‘Uber’ coolness slotted the ball underneath his body. Whether he was being ironic or not ‘Alta Tensione Inzaghi’ took a look at the linesman to see if he was off-side. He wasn’t and lifted his second Champions League 10 minutes later.

The veteran deserves total respect and with those two Champions Leagues, two European Super Cups, three Scudetti, a World Club Cup plus several other domestic cups and not forgetting the 2006 World Cup, there is no doubt he has earned it.

Inzaghi may not have started in Europe, but he would have had a huge impact as a sub. Yes there are younger forwards in the Milan squad and yes certainly fitter, but have any of them got his experience and know-how? The key to winning the Champions League is experience and no-one has it like SuperPippo.
 

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Can Milan cut it in Europe?

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What has happened to Milan? Granted, it's a bizarre question to ask now, with the club wearing Lo Scudetto on its shirts for the first time in seven years.

Yet while Milan has a proud history in domestic competition, it has long been regarded as a European Cup specialist. Seven triumphs in the competition -- second only to Real Madrid -- tell only part of the story. The Rossoneri's legendary performances have come in Europe, including the 5-0 against Real Madrid in 1989 and the 4-0 against Barca in 1994. Often their successes have been more significant given a wider context: The 1963 win was the first time an Italian club had won the competition, and arguably kick-started Italy's presence in European football; the 1994 triumph came a week into club president's Silvio Berlusconi's tenure as prime minister of Italy.

There is something about the tournament that makes the club come alive. Even under the legendary Arrigo Sacchi, it won more European Cups than Scudettos. In fact, it won more European Super Cups and Intercontinental Cups than Serie A titles under his management.

That pattern was repeated in the first decade of this century. Milan won only one league title, but was the side to beat in Europe's premier competition. After Real Madrid's spell of dominance ended with the ill-fated Galactico era, between 2003 and 2007 Milan won two European Cups, got to the final of another in 2005 (where it lost in barely believable circumstances) and was narrowly eliminated at the hands of eventual winners Barcelona in the semifinals a year later.

Europe clearly took priority over domestic form -- in the open-top bus celebrations following the 2007 win, Massimo Ambrosini (now captain of the club) revealed a banner saying, "You can stick your Scudetto up your arse." It was primarily a dig at title winner and city rival Inter, but it's tough to imagine many other clubs having such an attitude. Brian Clough, for example, once admitted he'd happily be knocked out of the European Cup if it meant success in the league.

Since that triumph in 2007, Milan hasn't made it past the quarterfinals. In addition to not qualifying in 2008-09, the nature of its defeats has been particularly embarrassing -- unable to score over two legs against Arsenal in 2008 or Tottenham in 2011, and thrashed 7-2 on aggregate by a decent Manchester United side in 2010. In 2011-12, it's time to put things right.

The problem is not with identity or leadership. Admittedly, Milan underwent something of a transformation in 2009, when its manager (Carlo Ancelotti), its captain (Paolo Maldini) and its star player (Kaka) all left the club, but enough veterans have stayed to maintain the focus in Europe. Ambrosini, Gennaro Gattuso, Clarence Seedorf, Christian Abbiati, Pippo Inzaghi and Alessandro Nesta are all into at least their 10th seasons at Milan. The problem, in other words, isn't an Arsenal-style lack of character.

Instead, the issue in Europe is the playing style. In the defeats to Tottenham and Manchester United, it was painfully obvious how vulnerable Milan was to width. At Old Trafford, the fullbacks received no protection, whereas Spurs threatened by getting the ball to Aaron Lennon and telling him to run at speed, which eventually resulted in the only goal of the tie. Looking at it another way, Milan has little width itself -- the team rarely stretches the opposition, instead funneling everything through the center.

The big caveat here, of course, is that even in its period of dominance a few years ago, Milan never played with width. It could afford to do so, however, because it had such guile in the center -- through Rui Costa, Kaka and Pirlo. Those players have left, whilst the "runners" (Gattuso, Ambrosini, Seedorf) who made the narrow systems possible, by shuttling out to the flanks, are no longer as mobile. Now, the Rossoneri are not creative enough in the center to break the opposition down in such a narrow space, and lack the players to play a wider midfield.

This season has finally seen a rebuilding job, with the creativity of Alberto Aquilani and the work rate of Antonio Nocerino added, but Milan still seems too static in the middle. There were only two ways it was going to score against Barcelona on the first Champions League match day -- balls over the top for Pato to run onto, or set pieces. Remarkably, Milan managed to score through both routes, in the first and the last minute, but it was a little sad to see its midfield barely compete for the majority of the game, even taking into account the fact that the Barcelona midfield is by far the world's best.

How can Milan's current strategy work in Serie A and not the Champions League? Primarily, it works because Italian football is played at a much slower pace. Few teams play with width and speed, and those that do often succeed against Milan, as Napoli showed with its 3-1 win earlier in the season. It's probably no coincidence that the last three clubs to have eliminated Milan have all been sides from the Premier League, which either play at a quick tempo, or sit back and then counter rapidly.

It's difficult to see Milan rising again this season. Aquilani is talented but inconsistent, while the alternative in that role, Kevin-Prince Boateng, is useful for his energy and bursting runs, but often seems rather unsophisticated in tight games, when Milan needs a Pirlo or a Kaka.

Ironically, having prioritized the European Cup for so long, Milan now seems ill equipped to make a mark upon the competition. The group stage won't be a problem, but knockout success might depend upon the club varying its play. And at the moment, Europe's top clubs would find Milan simply too easy to play against.

Michael Cox is a freelance writer for ESPN.com. He also runs zonalmarking.net.


http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/ne...-ac-milan-put-things-right-europe-michael-cox

Fair enough. Love the Ambro part. Wouldn't have expected that to go through censorship.
 

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Can Milan cut it in Europe?

By Michael Cox
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http://espn.go.com/sports/soccer/ne...-ac-milan-put-things-right-europe-michael-cox

Fair enough. Love the Ambro part. Wouldn't have expected that to go through censorship.



Hes actually right, before we used to be able to stop teams from playing wide against us because we had fit midfielders that were at their prime who could run to the wing and close out.

Now we have the same players, some who are way past their retirement date.
 

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Don't know if anyone poster this..
If Milan doesn't lose any of their 3 first CL matches, they reach atleast to the semifinals.
Sounds good.
 
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Qualification came even with a draw, but now looks like Milan will be the 2nd force of the group. Here are the possible 1st places in each of the groups.
Bayern Munich, Inter, MU, Madrid, Chelsea, Arsenal, XX, Barca
Subtracting Inter and Barca, there are 6 teams left.
Best draw: 1st place of group G
Mediocre draw: Chelsea, Arsenal
Bad draw: MU, Bayern Munich
Worst draw: Real Madrid
1st place from group G is definitely best, quarter finals here we come.
Chelsea, Arsenal, depend on how Allergri prepares, about 50% chance entering quarter finals.
MU, Bayern Munich, probably 35% qualification chance, really depend on how the winter transfer market goes.
Real Madrid: give up immediately. Kiss quarter finals goodbye
 

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