AC Milan's Financial Situation Thread

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wat?

That is the way to go - hungry man, give fish, how to fish. Teacher's pet? Quite the opposite.

Manners can be defined differently. For you it's nice words from what I get. For me it's actions like thinking before posting(is it probably posted already? is this the right place for this?) + using search before posting + using intelligence age(internet usage) accordingly.

Won't happen. :)

I ain't going to play a Mary-Poppins-babysitter to trolling. Sorry. Smarten up or face sarcasm, cheekyness, troll-labeling.

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does anyone know how much prize money is there for winning the scudetto? hopefully it will help milans finances
 

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does anyone know how much prize money is there for winning the scudetto? hopefully it will help milans finances
And the Copa Italia..? Wanted to know this for a long time..
 

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Serie A ~ 18.000.000 €
Coppa Italia ~ 5.000.000 €
Champions League ~ set for life :fp:

+/- sponsor bonus
 

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Big clubs rage at TV rights deal
Milan and Juventus are among those pledging retaliation after the Lega Calcio voted in favour of the 15 smaller Serie A sides in the battle over TV rights.

The money from pay-per-view television rights is the main source of income for Italian clubs and every summer there tends to be controversy over how the funds are divided up.

The five big sides – Milan, Inter, Juventus, Roma and Napoli – had protested vehemently against the other clubs following a meeting on April 15.

This is because the smaller sides picked three agencies to calculate how the television rights should be divided up and the top clubs disagreed with the choice.

Today the matter came to a head when the smaller sides won 6-5 with Lega Calcio President Maurizio Beretta’s decisive vote.

“Beretta will take responsibility for his actions, including what effect it will have on the Lega,” blasted Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani.

“He abstained from the first vote and promised to do the same today, but then changed his mind.”

Juventus President Andrea Agnelli was even more severe with the Lega decision.

“There are five clubs who between them represent 75 per cent of the fans, but are forced to accept the decisions of the other teams. We have 3m people in our potential audience compared to the 300,000 of the other 15.

“We will appeal to the CONI (Italian Olympic Committee) to ensure the development of this sport. We are united with the other four big clubs and could leave the Lega.

“Does this mean possibly playing in the Premier League or French Ligue 1? We are evaluating all options.”

Beretta responded with a statement insisting “in the absence of other options supported by everyone, it was difficult to avoid getting the process underway.

“In any case, I maintain there are the time and the conditions to find an agreement between all parties on how this mechanism will work.”
 

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The Television Will (Not) Be Revolutionized
Wednesday, 11 May 2011 | by Paul Visca

Wealth and television, or more accurately, how to share the money earned from the television rights of Italy’s top football division.

Founded in July, 2010, Lega Serie A was formed to allow the clubs in the 20 team league to share the earnings of their labours without having to think about the cupped hands from the clubs in the lower divisions, especially Serie B.

Now the birthday cake has been baked and the single candle has been lit, burning slowly. The wax is dribbling into the icing, because no one is there to blow it out. The seats around the table in the plush offices in Milan are empty, and not because the club president’s are playing musical chairs: Nothing ruins a family’s well-honed harmony than a sudden influx of money. 810 million euro to be precise.

Everybody wants a slice of the pie, but no one can decide who is to do the cutting.

The cake ingredients were written by Giovanna Melandri. The former Minister of Sport proposed a bill to split TV earnings using a 40:30:30 system. The decreto Melandri-Gentiloni was born of noble thought i.e. to lessen the grip on power held by the big clubs. Under the proposed bill, 40% of TV income would be shared equally between all those playing in Italy’s top tier, 30% on the basis of results and 30% on the basis of quantity of supporters.

In the post-Calciopoli peninsula, with mud still clinging to the faces of those being found guilty in the most recent match-rigging scandal – although all that was verified by the sport’s own judicial system will be put into serious question once the criminal courts pass judgement in July on alleged-mastermind Luciano Moggi – Serie A chiefs went along with the proposal, as did the politicians, and the bill became law in February 2008.

Two years later the law came into force. To celebrate, an invitation to the exclusive VIP lounge called Lega Serie A, presided by Maurizio Beretta. At the former RAI journailst’s side, Rosella Sensi was awarded pride of place.

Aiding the president and vice-president, two advisors were nominated by the clubs themselves, and in keeping with the new air of openness, Massimo Morati and Adriano Galliani stood aside. Representing the Milan giants, Juventus, Roma and Napoli was not one of their own, but Claudio Lotito. To explain the point of view of Lotito’s Lazio and the remaining 14 clubs, the gravel-voiced Maurizio Zamparini boldly stepped forward. Bold is the Palermo president’s middle name after firing 28 coaches in 24 years, 14 alone at the Sicilian club in under a decade.
However, a variation on the game of Chinese Whispers has ruined the festive atmosphere.

Who said fans? Who said supporters? What is the difference? Is there a difference? Who cares?

The squabble has its origins in the division of the 30% of the TV rights to be assigned to clubs on the basis of each club’s fan base. Not the 5% shared on the grounds of the population of the council areas where the clubs play, but the 25% divided by the number of fans for each club, which this season amounts to 200million euro.

For the Big 5, supporters are passionate fans who follow only one team. For the Smaller 15, the word supporter refers to those who sympathise for a team or maybe two, who go to the stadium, who buy merchandise, who read the sport press.
A narrow definition for the Big 5, a wider for the Smaller 15.

On April 15 the Lega Serie A assembly assigned the task of undertaking market research to discover the number of supporters to three institutions. The majority 15 votes - all from the Smaller 15 – selected Doxa, Sport+Markt and Full Six to define the parameters of the fan base (allegedly one of these three firms is charging 600thousand euro for its services) and count heads.

With all the ingredients and the recipe now in hand, the cake could be made and the first anniversary would pass with the sound of popping corks as the teams shared their wealth.
Celebrations have been put on ice, however. One week later the Big 5 blocked the move. The advisory committee was called on, as is institutionally required, to ratify the hiring of the three market research firms with another vote. This time all the Big 5 were present compared to five representatives of the Smaller 15. Five votes against five. The casting vote was held by president Beretta, who abstained (what else could he do after accepting a new job, with Unicredit, a few months back and is now waiting for a suitable replacement to come along? Yes, Unicredit, the same bank that has just sold on its majority share of AS Roma to the DiBendetto consortium. Who’s the outgoing Roma president? Rosella Sensi, who is also vice president of Lega Serie A - but this is another story).

Catania CEO Pietro Lo Monaco raged, “What happened is something serious. The Lega council simply had the task of limiting itself to ratifying the deliberation and giving the mandate to the three companies to go ahead with their market research. Instead it went against the assembly, which is sovereign.”

Ernesto Paolillo, his counterpart at Inter retorted, “This is democracy at work. The assembly had the remit of examining the workability of the deliberation and the vote finished 5-5.”
Paolillo was backed up by Milan managing director Galliani, Juventus president Andrea Agnelli, Napoli owner Aurelio de Laurentiis and Sensi. Lo Monaco counted on the support of Sampdoria
chief Riccardo Garrone, Udinese patron Giampaolo Pozzo, Parma owner Tommaso Ghirardi and Zamparini.

Another twist came on May 4 when the sporting body’s Court of Justice threw out the Big 5’s appeal and the market research firms picked up their pens and questionnaires ready to probe into the secret world of football allegiance.

Having defected to defend his Lazio, Claudio Lotito claimed, “It is not understandable how these five clubs can maintain to have sustained economical damages when the results of the research have not even been presented yet.”

In response, Galliani warned, “It is only the first stage of what will be a long, drawn-out affair.”

So, how much money are the clubs actually bickering over? With the interpretation of the term supporter put forward by the Smaller 15, the first signals are that Juventus would be hardest hit, losing in the region of 50million euro; Milan, 8million.

Parma owner Ghirardi’s claim that, “the top 5 will battle it out for the European places, and the other 15 for the Championship of the Desperate,” purely on the division of the 25% up for grabs is alarmist.

There are other factors which need addressing, and if correctly resolved would bring about a significant increase in the revenue of all clubs. The most glaring is to eliminate the sale of fake replica kits within the perimeter of the stadia.

However, the mindset is firmly fixed on improving the cathode ray tube, not on searching for alternatives.

Instead of seeking improvements, new divisions are set to appear with Inter and Juventus preparing the ground for another tiff over whether fans abroad can be included in the count or only supporters within the Italian boundary.

Incapable of reaching an agreement, on May 11 the Lega Serie A assembly voted as before: five against five. The final decision once again fell to the president, a person ready to quit at a moment’s notice.

Cagliari chief Cellino piled on the pressure, “What is under discussion is the 15 minnows are voting against the five blue-bloodied clubs. President Beretta is trying to mediate because he holds the scales of justice in his hands."

As did Galliani, “Beretta works for Unicredit in the morning, in the evening he’s never at the Lega. Each must assume his own responsibility.”

Beretta voted in favour of the Smaller 15, the candle flopped into the icing and fizzled out. The legal wrangle could now shift out of the sporting jurisdiction to the civil courts because the television will (not) be revolutionized.

http://calcioandcoffee.blogspot.com/2011/05/television-will-not-be-revolutionized.html

Mods, if you think this post is too long then you can edit. :)
 

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Really hope we win on this one,fuck the little clubs with there shitty attendance.
 

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FOOTBALL REVENUE: WHO WINS?
Posted on Sunday, 22nd May 2011 by David Schiavone
Here are the total revenues of the top 20 clubs in Europe from 2010, 2008 and 2005. Looking at these, we can see which clubs have prospered and which clubs have floundered over the past 5 years. Why is revenue important? It is this figure (after costs) that will determine how much a club is able to spend when the FIFA fair play rules take effect in 2013. Since it is impossible to determine exactly how much a club’s cost are, the revenue is the best thing we have.

http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2011/05/football-revenue-who-wins/
 

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jesus christ italy is stuck in stone age with arrogance and ignorance running from top to bottom

copy epls financial model not the footballing style :fp:
same revenue since 2005 for a club like milan FIGC sure are cunts.. calcio :fp:

I am so happy to have an owner who is interested both in football and politics, atleast there is some purpose for this club... if it was just out of love he would have been angry and disappointed ages ago
 

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When we check this our wage bill is decreasing drastically when you compare it to last summer.

Ronaldinho, Legrotagglie, Jankulovski, Pirlo, Onyewu & Sokratis leaving is close to 20 million.
Pippo, Ambro, Seedorf & Nesta signing lower deals makes us save another 5 - 7 million.

Thiago Silva gets a raise and Cassano & Paloschi need to be added to this list.

I'm happy the most important players are starting to earn the most money. Its more honest now.
 

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With all the talk about FFP, isn't there an obvious hole in it? Can't Berlusconi create a company that sponsors Milan and that company would give the club [insert amount of money Berlu wants to give ]...and it would be just the same as Berlu giving the money directly?
 

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With all the talk about FFP, isn't there an obvious hole in it? Can't Berlusconi create a company that sponsors Milan and that company would give the club [insert amount of money Berlu wants to give ]...and it would be just the same as Berlu giving the money directly?

No, it isn't possible. I read an article few days ago on it with exact same argument but with eg. of Roman Abrahimovic. Am too trying to understand at least the basics of this, FFP and will try and search for that article again.

But answer to that question is no I guess.
 

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With all the talk about FFP, isn't there an obvious hole in it? Can't Berlusconi create a company that sponsors Milan and that company would give the club [insert amount of money Berlu wants to give ]...and it would be just the same as Berlu giving the money directly?

shortest way to jail :)
 

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Thiago Silva gets a raise and Cassano & Paloschi need to be added to this list.

Add Van Bommel (3M?), Mexes(4M?), Taiwo(2-3?), Urby(??) & Didac(??) as well. That means about -25M + ~15M(?) from the list.

So if we do get a big name signing, then it would be max 5M correction in salary - but yes, it will be a more honest representation.
 

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With all the talk about FFP, isn't there an obvious hole in it? Can't Berlusconi create a company that sponsors Milan and that company would give the club [insert amount of money Berlu wants to give ]...and it would be just the same as Berlu giving the money directly?
I don`t know much about the rules that will be implemented, but I just can`t see how they`re gonna stop this kind of thing..

They sure can`t put a ceiling for how much a club gets from sponsors, and that`s part of the revenue. I fail to see how they could forbid some sponsorhip deals either, so could someone who actually knows a bit about this explain a little?
 

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When we check this our wage bill is decreasing drastically when you compare it to last summer.

Ronaldinho, Legrotagglie, Jankulovski, Pirlo, Onyewu & Sokratis leaving is close to 20 million.
Pippo, Ambro, Seedorf & Nesta signing lower deals makes us save another 5 - 7 million.

Thiago Silva gets a raise and Cassano & Paloschi need to be added to this list.

I'm happy the most important players are starting to earn the most money. Its more honest now.

I definitely agree, we'll be saving a ton of cash now that 6 players are leaving and possibly even more in the summertime. Abate also needs a raise as well, to 2 million at least.
 

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The other day, Galliani said that we have saved about 30m in wages, which is really good because the new players to come in will probably take 10 to 12m so we will end up chopping 18m or so from last years wage bill. Good progress.
 

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I don`t know much about the rules that will be implemented, but I just can`t see how they`re gonna stop this kind of thing..

They sure can`t put a ceiling for how much a club gets from sponsors, and that`s part of the revenue. I fail to see how they could forbid some sponsorhip deals either, so could someone who actually knows a bit about this explain a little?
My point exactly. Like Berlu has a zillion companies probably..one being mediaset...so just let them sponsor us.
 

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Wow i think we are doing awesome financially. The right players earn more now.
We have so many reduced contracts, a few players left. We are earning money on Borriello, Merkel, Astori etc and we are spending it wisely.

In 2 months i think we can draw our conclusions but it seems that financially we are getting ready for financial fair play. Lower wage bill is incredibly important regarding to this.
 
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Difference between Premiership / Serie A and Liga.

Premiership / Serie A

You collect over 400 milion debts, you keep spending much more then you earning, Banks and the State Administration will cut your head off, forcing you to cease every activities.

Liga

You collect 400 milion euros debt, but your name is Barça and it's fine. In the very end who cares if Spain is among the 4 weakest country of europe, a free fall from the grace of 2008 where everyone dreamed about beeing the 7th giant of the world. It's the best football team, it's very fine

You collect over 800 milion euros, you don't win anything important in Europe since a decade. You keep spending while your debt is also expanding. But you're Real Madrid, the nobilty of Spain is your n1 fans. It's Fine. Who cares about 21% and growing unemployement. The youngers are fine, Real Madrid keeps buying great football players all over the planets o why should it be a Zapatero's matter of concern?.

In these very moment i'm writing, Marca is saying the mighty Liga Espanola collected a fiery 4 bilions euros debt. Where are you Platini, where's your FFP ?


So how's Milan financially...nothing different then Man Utd or Liverpool, or Bayern.
It's simply acting as a wealthy company, trying to compete against some economical monsters who seems beeing forgotten by State Laws and local banks, while getting all the aid and the benefits from those.

It sounds fair, doesn't it?

Oh and yes, greets from Italy ^^.
 

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taken from another forum:

Tele lombardia staff were guest on Qsvs Program where they gave an outline of the expected outcome of the tv rights and the results were:
1-Ac milan will get 71mill instead of what the used to get 80mill
2- Juventus will get 75mill of instead what they used to get 88mill
3- Inter will get 72 mill instead of what they used to get 80mill

Napoli will get 50 mill instead of the 42 mill they used to get.

http://vb.almilan.com/showthread.php?t=90018
 

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Milan Need to Follow Juve’s Example by Owning Their Own Stadium
BY FRANKY T ⋅ JUNE 30, 2011
It has been a troublesome time for Juventus since the 2006 Calciopoli scandal. Financially, the club has suffered greatly and its reputation has been seriously tarnished too. Forced to play in the Serie B as punishment for its involvement in the scandal that rocked Italian football, Juventus enjoyed an extremely fruitful period prior. But, it has proven to be a long and hard road back to the top. Without a major trophy in the six years since, next season Juventus will not even play in the Champions League for the second time in a row.

Many mistakes have been made in the club’s numerous recent attempts to rebuild. Money has been wasted on players who have failed to lift the team while the club has also made a mess in regard to coaching appointments. But, for all that the Old Lady has gotten wrong these last few years, there is one thing that she has gotten absolutely right and this one thing could prove to be the catalyst for launching the club back to the summit of Italian football. This one thing is the construction and development of the club’s own purpose built football stadium.

http://acmilanblog.net/2011/06/30/milan-need-to-follow-juve%E2%80%99s-example-by-owning-their-own-stadium/
 

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How much would a new stadium cost a club?

I mean how much would buying out the San Siro cost?
And the actual cost of constructing a new stadium?
 

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How much would a new stadium cost a club?

I mean how much would buying out the San Siro cost?
And the actual cost of constructing a new stadium?

Upwards of 300m I guess...

And buying the San Siro is not an option at the moment, mainly because of the current laws in Italy (which is rumoured to be changed) and because Inter also rents it....

The ironic part is WE actually built the stadium in the first place...

FFP tho will not affect us building a stadium as it does not take stadium construction costs into account. But any hope of getting a new stadium rely on Berlusconi willing to front the cash...
 

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There are far too many to name past & present
Upwards of 300m I guess...

And buying the San Siro is not an option at the moment, mainly because of the current laws in Italy (which is rumoured to be changed) and because Inter also rents it....

The ironic part is WE actually built the stadium in the first place...

FFP tho will not affect us building a stadium as it does not take stadium construction costs into account. But any hope of getting a new stadium rely on Berlusconi willing to front the cash...

Tax payers cover the cost
 

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ISnt there something running with the city of Milan doing a part of the job to refresh the stadium for 2016 ?

I read it somewhere a long time ago..
 

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ISnt there something running with the city of Milan doing a part of the job to refresh the stadium for 2016 ?

I read it somewhere a long time ago..

That would have only happened HAD Italy gotten the rights to host Euro 2016, but they didnt...
 
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