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Old 02-08-2010, 08:27   #2381
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I liked the beginner against Lyon with Oddo exception.
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Old 03-08-2010, 15:42   #2382
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I'd like to see this:

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Borriello Pato Ronaldinho Flamini Ambrosini Pirlo Antonini Silva Nesta Zambrotta
Flamini can give support in attack like Seedorf use to do, give Dinho a free role so he can drift out wide to get the ball and let Pato have the same role Sheva had where he can drop deep to get the ball.
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Old 03-08-2010, 21:16   #2383
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any formation without gattuso, pirlo, ambro and seedorf together.


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Old 04-08-2010, 09:37   #2384
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Old 05-08-2010, 01:39   #2385
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YAY for 10th place!

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Old 06-08-2010, 22:45   #2386
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YAY for 10th place!
lol, now i saw this: no prob, maybe 10th place first year, but this cant judge sbd who put THE SAME (or worst) formation as we have last year!!
this is 100% ******ED!!!!
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Old 07-08-2010, 19:27   #2388
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Old 07-08-2010, 19:33   #2389
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Since we've been linked to Bochetti and have an overload of Good CBs (4 of which are possible starters) and given our mediocrity of FBs, i think the best way to utilize our squad to the fullest is to go ahead with a 3-man back-line


This is what we'd look like on paper before games .etc



and I'd like us to line up like this (with our current line up + maybe Bochetti)



-we will always have at least three men behind the ball with Nesta ,having the athletic back-up he needs in Sokratis and Bochetti ....T.Silva is good in the air and has great ability going forward and defending + can slot in to a Cb place with the RCB and LCB pushing out (as will be shown later)...pace could be an issue with our CBS but sokratis and Bochetti aren't slow

-Pirlo is placed as the LCM ,because of his ability to pick those passes (Orchestrate ) and he can defend (contrary to (hater) belief ) and he will have T.silva covering for him
....Ambro as possible back-up

-Antonini and abate (perhaps Dodo and Zambezi) can fight it out for this spot which focuses more on adding width and support for pato on the right hand side and can cross from deep ...they obviously will have to contribute to midfield defense but because they are higher up they will have the responsibility to snuff things out before hand ....possibly for the younger legs aka Anton and Abate

-Flamini will occupy the Box-Box ...i believe he can fulfill that role + brings the energy and bite we lack in the middle of the park ...Ambro and Strasser as back-up for him

-The Cam spot will be occupied by Dinho ...he can play games where he could be utilized to the fullest (drifting out to the left)perhaps smaller teams-Mid table teams..with merkel as back up and Dorf in the big games

Obviously the striking explains itself....Pato on the right gives both Pirlo and dinho the chance to deliver those diagonals we all love

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On to the defense :

When we defend we can drop to a 5-3-2:




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-Five men deep behind the ball with defensive width covered is pretty hard to break through if we are properly organized ...we have enough backup's to play with three with Yepes-Gooch-Albertazzi-Boner are good back-ups (good enough) Antonini fits like a glove as he is a natural Rb and Bochetti (apparently) can play Lb + we all know the strength of Nesta-Silva partnership

-Pirlo operates just ahead of the defense to stop any potential moves and as a counter-attacking outlet ...in terms of long passing etc ...thats why Flamini operates a bit higher as-well to join the attack

-The attack is spread out wide to spread the defense and make space for the incoming runs of Flamini + maybe Antonini ...the attackers also spread wide to have a 1-on-1 situation which ..dinho and pato can take advantage of



so theres my 2 cents ...what do you guys think ???? I know it is easier said than done .

Constructive criticism will be appreciated ...
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Old 07-08-2010, 19:45   #2390
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interesting stuff but it's too narrow....

I would argue something more along lines of this:

4-3-1-2 converting into 3-4-1-2

ie....

pato--bori
dinho
pirlo--flamini
silva
antonini--nesta--papa--zambrotta
abbiati

turning into

interesting stuff but it's too narrow....

I would argue something more along lines of this:

4-3-1-2 converting into 3-4-1-2

ie....

pato--bori
dinho
antonini--pirlo--flamini--abate
nesta--silva--papa


even then you have a huge problem of ronaldinho, as you'd want that CAM to a) be more a more direct player and B provide some defensive cover..... more hamsik/honda/van der vaart


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Old 07-08-2010, 19:54   #2391
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^ i don't quite know what you mean by mine being narrow ..(miss the arrows ?)...but i like the second formation ...the first one is pretty narrow too+ the fact that we have to put faith in Zambro + Antonini in defense is scary ..ie..people like Pepe will start to have a great influence in games from wide ...i just think the 3-man works around our shortcomings at fb and enhances our strength in our CBs also with good back ups + a place for all our youngsters aswell as back-up (except de vito....maybe he can become a CM?)
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Old 07-08-2010, 19:57   #2392
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^ i don't quite know what you mean by mine being narrow ..(miss the arrows ?)...but i like the second formation ...the first one is pretty narrow too+ the fact that we have to put faith in Zambro + Antonini in defense is scary ..ie..people like Pepe will start to have a great influence in games from wide ...i just think the 3-man works around our shortcomings at fb and enhances our strength in our CBs also with good back ups + a place for all our youngsters aswell as back-up (except de vito....maybe he can become a CM?)
All the players in your formation are naturally central players with exception maybe to dinho. You need some width to spread other team out and open space....

it can come from fbs or midfield. But anotnini and abate are naturally wide players... they push up and defenders have to commit to them....

it gets even better if you have great fb's like maicon or dani alves who take a lot of attention of defense and will open space for central midfielders


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Old 07-08-2010, 20:06   #2393
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interesting stuff but it's too narrow....

I would argue something more along lines of this:

4-3-1-2 converting into 3-4-1-2

ie....

pato--bori
dinho
pirlo--flamini
silva
antonini--nesta--papa--zambrotta
abbiati

turning into

interesting stuff but it's too narrow....

I would argue something more along lines of this:

4-3-1-2 converting into 3-4-1-2

ie....

pato--bori
dinho
antonini--pirlo--flamini--abate
nesta--silva--papa


even then you have a huge problem of ronaldinho, as you'd want that CAM to a) be more a more direct player and B provide some defensive cover..... more hamsik/honda/van der vaart

Maybe Allegri does plan to use Silva just in front of the defence when Nesta and Papa are both fit! Personally i love the idea as he is a beast going forward (Lucio'ish) and has a good long shot plus he is fast and can give a solid defensive cover!
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Old 07-08-2010, 20:09   #2394
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All the players in your formation are naturally central players with exception maybe to dinho. You need some width to spread other team out and open space....

it can come from fbs or midfield. But anotnini and abate are naturally wide players... they push up and defenders have to commit to them....

it gets even better if you have great fb's like maicon or dani alves who take a lot of attention of defense and will open space for central midfielders
your second formation seems ideal now ....just add KPB along with honda ,both can offer that width needed ...hardworking and technically sound and we'd arguably have the best line up in SA ........three signings away from the trebble all of which wont cost more than 20mil

sell dinho-KPB
sell hunt-Honda
swap Janks-Bochetti

is it that hard? N/h?

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Old 07-08-2010, 20:10   #2395
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Damn, I hate 3 man defenses. The worst teams I've ever seen in my life are brazilians teams using the 3-5-2. It's so easy to break.. We will be crushed by the wingers when we play against the 4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1.
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Old 07-08-2010, 20:10   #2396
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Maybe Allegri does plan to use Silva just in front of the defence when Nesta and Papa are both fit! Personally i love the idea as he is a beast going forward (Lucio'ish) and has a good long shot plus he is fast and can give a solid defensive cover!
yah i was thinking the way mexico used marquez and portugal used pepe.....difference is those guys are much better passers than silva, where as silva drives forward on the ball like he's kaka circa 2006.

the flip side is, he's a monster @ CB too and it'd be a shame to waste it...


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Old 07-08-2010, 21:26   #2397
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I'd like to see a

--------GK
----CB--CB--CB
------DM--DM
--------CM
-AM-----------AM
---CF--------CF

It's a little narrow.

-----------Abbi
----Silva--Nesta--Sokratis
------Flamini--Ambro
-----------Pirlo
--Seedorf--------Dinho
------Pato-----Borri

Quite strong and could morph into different things as it goes on.


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Old 07-08-2010, 21:38   #2398
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Damn, I hate 3 man defenses. The worst teams I've ever seen in my life are brazilians teams using the 3-5-2. It's so easy to break.. We will be crushed by the wingers when we play against the 4-3-3 / 4-2-3-1.
What ?
You do realize your NT win WC with that formation rite ?

Btw I must agree this is most barbaric and fragile formation ever (see some south-east asia football guys)

But with right player and coach this tactic can do wonder. (the probability is low as shit though)
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What ?
You do realize your NT win WC with that formation rite ?

Btw I must agree this is most barbaric and fragile formation ever (see some south-east asia football guys)

But with right player and coach this tactic can do wonder. (the probability is low as shit though)
I think we agree here. Let me just explain my point:

That team in 2002 had the two best fullbacks of a generation, Cafu and Roberto Carlos. They could dominate an entire flank of the field, defending and attacking. It's hard to put this kind of performance with ordinary fullbacks. Even the best clubs in Europe don't have today players like then. Maybe one, but hardly two.

When you build a "Brazilian" 3-5-2, you give up to one creative player in the midfield for another central defender. And so the fullbacks have more freedom to attack. These players (alas in Brazil) must attack like wingers (because outside one offensive midfielder, they are the only source of creativity in the midfield) and defend like fullbacks, because a line of 3 can't cover all the defensive line.



This table is writing in portuguese, but it shows well the spaces in the 3-5-2 without defensive cover (behind the fullbacks - "alas") and without offensive presence (between fullbacks - "alas" and the offensive midfielder "meia"). It's easy to see the problems this tatic can have against 4-3-3 - it would be outnumbered in the flanks because there's 3 CB's to take care of only one player. It will become a 5-3-2 and the idea of offensive fullbacks will not work. The space without defensive cover is actualy the area where the better players in the world today like to start plays (Robben, Messi, Villa at WC, Robinho at Seleção...).

If I had a team with two players like Cafú and RC (today maybe Maicon, Coentrão, Dani Alves...), maybe I would think about a 3-5-2. When on his days, they can be more dangerous attacking threats than midfielders. But I just don't like the general idea of giving up one creative player in the midfield or wingers just to overload the fullbacks (or just because you have 3 good CB's).

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This is what we'd look like on paper before games .etc



and I'd like us to line up like this (with our current line up + maybe Bochetti)



-we will always have at least three men behind the ball with Nesta ,having the athletic back-up he needs in Sokratis and Bochetti ....T.Silva is good in the air and has great ability going forward and defending + can slot in to a Cb place with the RCB and LCB pushing out (as will be shown later)...pace could be an issue with our CBS but sokratis and Bochetti aren't slow

-Pirlo is placed as the LCM ,because of his ability to pick those passes (Orchestrate ) and he can defend (contrary to (hater) belief ) and he will have T.silva covering for him
....Ambro as possible back-up

-Antonini and abate (perhaps Dodo and Zambezi) can fight it out for this spot which focuses more on adding width and support for pato on the right hand side and can cross from deep ...they obviously will have to contribute to midfield defense but because they are higher up they will have the responsibility to snuff things out before hand ....possibly for the younger legs aka Anton and Abate

-Flamini will occupy the Box-Box ...i believe he can fulfill that role + brings the energy and bite we lack in the middle of the park ...Ambro and Strasser as back-up for him

-The Cam spot will be occupied by Dinho ...he can play games where he could be utilized to the fullest (drifting out to the left)perhaps smaller teams-Mid table teams..with merkel as back up and Dorf in the big games

Obviously the striking explains itself....Pato on the right gives both Pirlo and dinho the chance to deliver those diagonals we all love
nesta is too old and he is not that mobile so he cant lead that defense if a pair of pacey strikers come up we will be torn to pieces, if we play as 3 men defense silva should be at the center cause he has pace and some intelligence and nesta should be benched(no i dont hate him but he is slow for three men defense and i dont know how good is sokartes and new kid)
but who would want to bench nesta so 4-4-2
an old intelligent defender is awesome when there isnt enough room for the attacker. and i dont know whether bochetti or pasta are good enough to cover by their own

Silva as a dm would be awesome cause i see him running from back to center without losing a ball We miss a player like that some one from deep unlike your fav pussy Mr pirlo.And he is classy defender why wouldnt you play your best defender in his fav position , libero ? our team has so many weakness that we cant afford a three men defense at the back

LCM for pirlo entire wing for pirlo god he will shit like anything cause he wont have enough options available to pass he is good when he is at the center(define good )
flamini cant orchestrate from center he is not that good and dinho will shift to left so left side is dinho pirlo and a cb who cant run like anto we are raped there. Antos work rate make left side respectable in defense :P

abate is the stupidest player ever but he is too fast, so playing him in defense would be better than in midfield cause he will get the ball back and clear cause he dont know what he want to do when he has possesion, the good thing about his pace is he can track back easily and provide the ball to pato lkeep it simple

I would love to see abate providing more crosses nothing against the kid, he works hard but not good enough NOT YET

Flamini wont push from center without tackling anybody he is good as RCM, does patos defensive work and provide ball to pato and fight out with some one who is raping our midfield

I personally think for your midfield to work we need to push silva to center of defense, abate should learn to cross and have a new brain, put a wall on the left side because pirlo+dinho+bochetti -> lubricated for a rape. and we need a versatile midfielder like essien schwenzi even hargreaves of the past

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