scharatz said:
Rooney by far was the worst, but i don't believe the Espanholas were making monkey noises at him, despite his conduct.Passion for *9* said:Tirelessly hacking the Spaniards off their feet, maybe ?They came on the pitch with an attitude, behaving like bullies + not like professional football players, the tension was very palpable all the time, I didn't need to see the whole match to notice...
His tackles?juninho-paulista said:
Who is 'missy' ?scharatz said:
If you are referring to me, well, first I'm not your missy, second I didn't claim it was their own fault but asked to at least take into consideration such simple things as cause + effect .. or action + reaction.. When the English show up in Spain wearing those ani-racism t-shirts (according to the Spanish media they did) + thus taking a side-swipe at Aragones + the Spanish people, hinting they are racists, they should not be that surprised if people feel offended.. What sucks is the sweeping generalisation that brands a whole people as racist when in reality it is only a minority + only a minority of those who made the noises are really racist. The rest wasn't thinking or felt provoked + did it as a reaction on a certain attitude displayed by the English players. That's what the average Spanish folks say in the media.. Racist chants are not the rule in Spanish stadiums, I never hear monkey noises towards some Brazilian or African players of colour in La Liga, yet the English media harps on + on about it + creates a very distorted picture of the average Spanish football fan. Well.. it's so much easier to make a mountain out of this molehill than dedicate their energy to dealing with their sub-par performance on the pitch, isn't it ? Bullshit. It happened in the 90s + it happens now, maybe not among the ManU or Arsenal or Chelsea crowd but even those big clubs were campaigning for years + years + years to raise awareness + educate their fans. Not making those noises + sing those chants btw doesn't mean people are less racist, it just means they behave cos otherwise they'd be disciplined + might end up with a stadium ban. So what has been cured is not the disease but one symptom, that of displaying a certain behaviour in the stadium. Anyway, fact remains you have enough skinheads + white supremacist people also in England. And a whole bunch of violent 'fans' who just travel Europe to get their sick kicks by beating up people, starting fights everywhere, smash shop windows, destroy vehicles, raise hell in trams, buses, trains + subways etc etc. Why can't they follow the example of the peaceful Scots ?scharatz said:
I have a huge problem with this presumptuous 'England + everything English is better than the rest' attitude 
As stated earlier by myself, it is foreign for an event such as the one that occured, to take place during a La Liga match.Yan Dao said:
These two played last night and didn't receive any racist taunts, only cheers.
Thanks melbourne u sure know what u r saying,racism thrives in england and u and i and also scharatz know that,we only pray it ebbs away,England shouldn't make much noise about this one.Melbourne said:An English giving advice on how crowds should behave.
No offence, but that's just bullshit. Yes, racism is present everywhere in one way or another, but England surely is the country where the problem is much smaller than in some other countries. Besides, how would you know, you live thousands of miles away?pixiraver said:
Roberto Carlos was racially abused throughout the match (monkey noises). I guess it shows the true picture of the Spanish football.Yan Dao said:
These two played last night and didn't receive any racist taunts, only cheers.
DonippoRuiShevdini said:
Or did you mean I should get started on the issue + then bring it to cessation ? 
Your interpretation is usually spot on.Passion for *9* said:
I guess I can only bring to cessation what I'm actually involved in
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I love themDonippoRuiShevdini said:As stated earlier by myself, it is foreign for an event such as the one that occured, to take place during a La Liga match.
By the way, I hate these two. (not for their skin color though)
Mate... racsim is everywhere n world football, no one is disputing that. England is recent times has been 'better' than and trying to inprove. The kick racsim out of football campain is a good symbol.scharatz said:No offence, but that's just bullshit. Yes, racism is present everywhere in one way or another, but England surely is the country where the problem is much smaller than in some other countries. Besides, how would you know, you live thousands of miles away?
I heard it on the TV perhaps? Oh, no, I actually invented itEdi said:Man nobody was racially abusing Carlos!!!!!!Where did you come up with that?And "IF" they booed Carlos it is not cos' of the colour of his skin!!!!They also booed Figo.So does that mean that the Spanish also hate portugeese or is it maybe the were booing him for obvious reasons
Mate, you don't know what racism isMelbourne said:
The "religious hate" you're on about happens between the pro-British (Rangers) and pro-Irish (Celtic) people. Hence the trouble in Northern Ireland. That's got nothing to do with racism against minorities or whatever.
Who said it was BBC? I've heard it on live TV. And it doesn't matter who reported it, the point is that it was there.Passion for *9* said:
I really don't know what to say about that. And I don't see why do you persist in your defending of some racist thugs.Passion for *9* said:
Yea.. in the BRITISH media. It's their flavour-of-the-month pet peeve.scharatz said:
You get sth wrong. R. Carlos was not abused cos of his skin colour, but cos some people think he's an asshole. Whether they whistle, chant or make whatever type of noise I could care less about. The context here is clearly not a racist one. Period. It has got nothing to do with defending racists.scharatz said:
Again, who said anything about the British media? And again, it doesn't matter what media was it, what matters is that it happened. I'm sorry to hear that you've got nothing against it.Passion for *9* said:
