You've really toned down your enthusiasm a lot. Has the love cooled off ?Vincent Gallo said:
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Passion for *9* said:
You're totally right. I don't know what's up with Ancelotti, yesterday he really sucked. And he was tottaly slow in making replacements. Rui Costa should have been in the game much more early. And what the hell is wrong with Gatusso and Seedorf. I haven't seen them suck this bad in a long time. It's just as discussed in the Pirlo thread. It's like Seedorf and Gatusso are Pirlo's bodyguards, and without him to support they're tottaly useless. Why has Ancelotti played Ambrosini from the start? He couldn't see that in our last few games, whenever he put in Ambrosini Milan stopped playing? Ahh, have you seen a clear chance(maybe except Kaka's shot that hit the post) of scorring for us? Neah. I just don't wanna see this type of play again. Ancelotti is also responsible for the poor form of some of our players for not rotating them enough. Surely, if Costa doesn't play at least a game a month he can't be blamed for not suppling at least a good cross. And what the hell is wrong with him playing Stam,...ohh I'm sorry...why the hell did we transfer Stam for ??? Anyway, I just hope something changes, cause without Pirlo our team doesn't really play. I'm really sorry for Nesta for being frustrated by the way the team played yesterday. Maybe if other players would be more of professionals like him, the team would play at its best anytime. I wanna see more of a Chelsea-er Milan, if you know what I mean!!!Rivaldo-11 said:
To be our 'rock', didn't you know ?r3dman said:
One of the most idiotic transfers ever, considering his age + all the expenses.Yea, they truly rock this season. I hate them but I respect them a lot for what they do, for their team spirit, their determination, sth Milan is so lacking this season. Mourinho is not the overrated big talker I thought he was, he really really is the best coach around + a certain amount of arrogance based on impeccable performance week in week out is allright with me .......r3dman said:
They were horrible for Livorno as well, I didn't see the sun shine around their players.us_bombs said:
Why don't you apply as a personal umbrella holder to our *stars* ?us_bombs said:
Maybe it will lift their morale if they can strut across the pitch VIP-style ?Sure. E a s i l y . And just because you say so. If they don't discard their cocky 'tude quick it won't happen, let alone easily.us_bombs said:
Passion for *9* said:They were horrible for Livorno as well, I didn't see the sun shine around their players.
Why don't you apply as a personal umbrella holder to our *stars* ?
Sure. E a s i l y . And just because you say so. If they don't discard their cocky 'tude quick it won't happen, let alone easily.
Now now, you're making me doubt that we've watched the same matchPassion for *9* said:I can't agree with you, Kyara, nowhere did I see the childish attitude you accuse Livorno of. Livorno really started to dominate + almost played Milan dizzy with their brilliant superquick attacks + we can't thank Dida enough for making the defeat look bearable - anyway, I thought it was clearly the other way round: The more time elapsed the more fouls Milan committed + the more Milan complained. It's the same scenario every time Milan seem to run out of time to get a result... spirit, motivation, determination fall rather than rise
Livorno, by the way, is third in rank when it comes to the number of fouls committed this season, following Juve and Siena, which makes it a 'style' of play for them 
I don't deny, nevertheless, Livorno's organized attempts to score although our slow defense that day had its influence on making them seem 'super'!I'm not asking for a Milan-friendly coach, all I'm asking for is a coach who knows what he's doing and apparently Farina didn't ... Putting a portion of the blame on the ref does not necessarily mean that we want him to make decisions in our favour ... It only means that if he had taken the correct decisions from the beginning the match would've taken a different direction and our reaction, hence, would've differed as well ... The team wasn't in its best conditions, agreed, but a pathetic ref who does not blow his whistle for an obvious penalty on the last minutes only makes things more difficult, that is a fact ... One point makes a lot of difference after all ...Passion for *9* said:
You're being too harsh on the young manPassion for *9* said:I absolutely hate Kaka's proneness to taking out his frustration by committing fouls, I hate stupid reactions of the kind that earned Nesta red, I hate the helplessness, the uninspiredness, the mental + physical slowness of our players when under pressure. What do they expect, that the small sides surrender to Milan's alleged superiority without a fight ? They have become so fuckin cocky, it's unbearable sometimes. Matches like this might serve as a lesson in humility, let's hope at least.
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Precision... where the fuck has Kaka' lost his ?? He plays one half-decent match + everyone hails him + then he is back to his usual self of this season: losing a ton of balls, lacking ideas + precision + getting frustrated easily. Seeing him play like that reminds me of the proverbial one-trick pony + I wonder if it really was only his name that prevented Juve from signing him
Even though I'm not very convinced by his performances this season, but he's had his good moments and the fuss people make over each goal he scores is not his fault after all ... It is a fact that Kaka is one of the players who are most fouled in Milan and I don't think I'm the only one who has noticed that ... Being tightly marked and fouled every time he touches the ball would normally frustrate any youngster like him, particularly one who loves wide spaces that were easy to find last season, but not anymore ... I'm not trying to make excuses for him, but remember that if we keep asking for youngsters in the team, we are expected to give them time to adapt and change which will take time and effort, not only from them but from the team as well ... Kaka's only 22 now, moving from Brazil where people dance with the ball to Italy were the ball is kept in a box would surely affect his performance ... For someone his age, what he has accomplished so far is amazing enough for people to have high expectations of him, yet again for every player time and patience is definitely needed ... He has the speed, the techniques and the vision, what he needs now is to learn how to find his way round the tough marking and deal with his frustrations on the pitch and Milan will have to be patient and supportive enough to make him the player who will bring victories ... 
That's when Juve will keep regretting their false choice, regardless of its reasons
Hm, as usual I left my red-black tinted glasses in the drawer, it might explain the marginally different opinionsKyara said:Now now, you're making me doubt that we've watched the same match
Tactical fouls can be rather usefulKyara said:
but no matter what I didn't think they went over the top during that match. And in the 2nd half it was definitely Milan who committed more fouls, that's a bit of a pattern with them, growing frustration with result + opponent => increased foul rateI think I saw Milan players equally theatrical. The drama is just part of the Italian game, can't single out one team for sth everyone does.Kyara said:
Ah ah ah... you mean after Sheva's BLATANT DIVE that you failed to recognize ? Well, to tell you the truth, I'd have been equally pissed off if Mr. Golden Ball had tried to pull his little act on meKyara said:
Credit where it belongs: To Livorno. Not only our defense was slow + enabled them to execute their game plan. After 20 minutes they looked rather helpless in every regard + area of the pitch.Kyara said:
You do realize that this last minute penalty would have been in Livorno's favour ? And same goes for the first 'miss' of Farina... Livorno would have been 2 up before Milan had a chance on a gift. As I said, if you wanna be a nitpicker you gotta count all his alleged mistakes + can't just omit those decisions who might have brought an advantage to the opponent. I still think there weren't many wrong decisions at all. All the could-be should-be penalties at a closer look proved rather inexistent. And yea, Sheva divedKyara said:
They make more fuss over the ones he's been missing this seasonKyara said:You're being too harsh on the young man
He's gotta learn to live with the pressure of people + club having expectations now after his impressive season + the honours he has received... I decidedly won't be the one who wraps him up in cotton wool, this role doesn't suit me well If he currently struggles he just has to make a bigger effort.. Not on the set of the next photo shooting for Armani, but on the pitch.Ahm yea, don’t make him look like the poor poor innocent victimKyara said:
To complete the picture it should be mentioned that he also has taken on diving + committing fouls himself. The prob in his play is his keeping the ball for too long, he just likes to pick it up + run with it + this of course makes him an easy target for those evil opponents. He needs to pass more + quicker + move more without the ball, but I admit that’s hard to do when he is surrounded by an uninspired SlowmotionSeedorf at his worst + acceleration + creativity rests on his narrow shoulders . And of course he’s a lot more aware of what a burden pressure + expectations can be… Still.. None of the excuses + far-fetched justifications fully explain his lack of form. He seems weaker physically, weaker mentally, confused, more selfish, he shoots when he should pass + passes when he should shoot….Yea, of course it goes without saying that he needs time to adapt. But he took last year in stride which should have given him confidence to deal with new challenges in his 2nd season, yet the opposite seems true + regardless of what he claims in interviews, he *looks* out of sorts.. frustrated.. helpless.. + it begs the question if he *is* adaptable enough to change his game. Right now it takes so little to neutralize him, that’s why I made the rather unkind 1-trick pony reference.Kyara said:
Thing is, can Milan afford to have patience ? Last year Kaka’ seemed to make all the difference, though he had his occasional off match of course, but the rest of the squad IMO played on a better level too, be it Gattuso or JDT, or Pirlo or Seedorf during his amazing 6-match rollKyara said:
Right now there is noone available who is capable of compensating Kaka’s lack of form. We + the management gladly surrendered to our delusion that Kaka’ is the cure-all for all our previous problems. He isn’t. And that’s why it is so important to face the facts + make 2 or 3 new quality signings if we want to remain competitive + take some pressure off Kaka's shoulders. Keeping it simple is the solution. He shouldn’t try to be another Ronaldinho. Not in Italy. And he isn’t anywayKyara said:
And put on "insert-opponent-color" tinted glasses on?Passion for *9* said:Hm, as usual I left my red-black tinted glasses in the drawer, it might explain the marginally different opinions
Isn't it a wonder why everytime the referee's unjust to Milan you are the first to disagree? In this match there were at least 4 dubious incidents of penalties in our favor and one for Livorno ... RaiSport's highlights showed them all: Note that with this crazy injustice, the team would normally get frustrated and sick of the refereeing ... There WAS a push, even if some people considered it shoulder to shoulder (which I don't agree with), there would still be a push and he therefore normally fell ... You know and I know that Sheva's not a diver, he left that profession to its masterPassion for *9* said:Ah ah ah... you mean after Sheva's BLATANT DIVE that you failed to recognize ? Well, to tell you the truth, I'd have been equally pissed off if Mr. Golden Ball had tried to pull his little act on me
I did not omit any decisions that could've been in Livorno's favour as I've mentioned previously in my match report that there was a dubious incident in Lucarelli's favour, that was BEFORE they scored ... But the number of penalties that weren't given to us would surely end the match in our favor, if that's how you wanna count itPassion for *9* said:You do realize that this last minute penalty would have been in Livorno's favour ? And same goes for the first 'miss' of Farina... Livorno would have been 2 up before Milan had a chance on a gift. As I said, if you wanna be a nitpicker you gotta count all his alleged mistakes + can't just omit those decisions who might have brought an advantage to the opponent. I still think there weren't many wrong decisions at all. All the could-be should-be penalties at a closer look proved rather inexistent. And yea, Sheva dived
And ? What does it prove ? Nothing, unless you wear your red-black tinted glasses. Can't we just stop accusing the ref all the time when we fail to win a match by our own devices ? It's getting sooo old + is a reaction normally sooo typical of Inter whiners, I won't join in, sorry.Kyara said:
Every ref seems to have his own policy on shirt tugging + often a lenient one. Besides it looked more like Crespo losing his balance + stumbling backwards cos he's out of fuckin shape, the RAI pic doesn't prove anything IMO.Kyara said:
Nope. Sheva jumped into + over the goalie, both have an eye on the ball, their paths just crossed + they crashed. As simple as that.Kyara said:
Oh no, that universal accusation doesn't fly here. Sheva dived plain + simple. He dives as much as anyone else. And this one was particularly ridiculous + obvious. Next time he should try to fall with less dramaKyara said:
There was one in injury time, probably the clearest of them all when even my dad demanded a penalty. In favour of Livorno. I can't remember the players involved, Livorno were attacking on the left + one of their players was pushed over in the area. And strangely there was no replay, it would have muted all those who keep insisting on Milan being robbed.Kyara said:
Passion for *9* said:
Nope, it's not as simple as that, if the goalie failed to clear the ball and tackled the player instead then it's a penalty ... Otherwise every keeper will come in a player's way and claim they've just crashedPassion for *9* said:
Passion for *9* said:Oh no, that universal accusation doesn't fly here. Sheva dived plain + simple. He dives as much as anyone else. And this one was particularly ridiculous + obvious. Next time he should try to fall with less drama
