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forward · Oct 23, 2017

Massaro94 said:
At the end of the day allegri is an average manager... and seeing as you love facts... his record is 7-2 in Finals with what most plebs on here seem to think is a world class defence

If Allegri lost 2 CL finals for Milan, RnB would burn him alive.
But when he does it at Juve, RnB say he is a world class coach. :lol:

Kojak · Oct 23, 2017

forward said:
He won 4 Scudetto's in a league with 0 competition.
If he worked in EPL or La Liga, he would get shit upon by other teams.

And he lost 2 CL finals.

Living legend indeed.

Except he won them with two different teams

He may've lost 2 CL finals but statistically he was the second best manager in Europe for 2 of the last 3 seasons :proud:

Now pls let us know when we can expect Monty to win his third consecutive Ballon d'Or nomination :lol:

Az. · Oct 23, 2017

forward said:
Kalinic is a second striker, not a goleador.
He is supposed to make space for the likes of Silva and Crutone to score.

But the real problem is that Montella doesn't know why he bought Kalinic.

Last season assist: 2 ..now that's highly impressive, but i'm sure with his amazing world class movement on the field he created a shitload of chances for Fiorentina.

You got the last part right though, Montella asked for a shite player because he is as dumb as he looks.

The reckless spending of founds lies on the head of F & M. Montella is no Ferguson, he hasn't been at Milan for ages to warrant that level of trust + he hasn't done anything impressive in his managerial career to warrant that level of trust either.

Spending 50 millions, to please that clown of a coach was stupid anyway you look at it.

Az. · Oct 23, 2017

Kojak said:
Except he won them with two different teams

He may've lost 2 CL finals but statistically he was the second best manager in Europe for 2 of the last 3 seasons

Now pls let us know when we can expect Monty to win his third consecutive Ballon d'Or nomination

When he was in charge with Milan, and won the scudetto he was up against a weak Juventus, and had Zlatan in his team.

His record in Serie A is nothing to brag about, his record in Europe though is something that he should be praised for.

He faced actual competition there, and even if he lost the finals, on his way there he didn't have a easy path.

forward · Oct 23, 2017

Az. said:
When he was in charge with Milan, and won the scudetto he was up against a weak Juventus, and had Zlatan in his team.

His record in Serie A is nothing to brag about, his record in Europe though is something that he should be praised for.

He faced actual competition there, and even if he lost the finals, on his way there he didn't have a easy path.

One important thing to say though, is that Conte built the team for him.
He didn't start from scratch at Juve and already had a team that reached late stages of the tournament.

Kojak · Oct 23, 2017

Massaro94 said:
Real had 2-3 key players missing (Modric, Benzema)

So what? They still had the best player in the world playing plus Kroos, Bale, Isco, James, Ramos etc and still couldn't win :lol:

Massaro94 said:
No they didn't

Oops it was the quarters. They still whooped Barca 3-0 on aggregate completing neutralising MSN :lol:

Massaro94 said:
Bayern beat Barca 7-0

Atleti knocked out Barca twice

Chelsea have never played Real in the UCL format

But they did beat Barca with 10 men ... Di Matteo da GOAT

City is a work in progress... just owned the best team in Italy last week

At the end of the day allegri is an average manager... and seeing as you love facts... his record is 7-2 in Finals with what most plebs on here seem to think is a world class defence

Lol what? None of those teams besides Atleti reached the CL final in the past 3 seasons. Allegri's Juve did. Twice :proud:

As for Allegri's finals record, you just answered your own question :lol:

His GK/defence are a bunch of old age pensioners past their best and we're just realising how great their best defender really is. That makes it even more of a miracle that they reached the final twice knocking out RM and Barca along the way. Got to be down to mighty Max :star:

rossonero1 · Oct 23, 2017

None of the players they just bought should be sold until you see what they do with another manager should Montella get axed. If they continue to under-perform with someone else then the blame falls on Mirabelli as well for his scouting of players.

The funny thing is if Bonucci flops here, a big club will probably swoop in for a cut rate price and he will turn back into his normal self haha.

rossonero1 · Oct 23, 2017

With Bonucci out, we could have gone back to 4-3-3 with Suso and Bonaventura on the wings where they excelled the most and just risked it with no real reserves until January, but ever since Montella moved Jack into the midfield, he's become a walking injury and now he is hurt again.

With Bonucci and Bonaventura out I say 4-4-2:
Donnarumma; Abate, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Suso, Kessie, Biglia, Calhangolu; Kalinic/Silva, Cutrone

Kojak · Oct 23, 2017

Az. said:
When he was in charge with Milan, and won the scudetto he was up against a weak Juventus, and had Zlatan in his team.

His record in Serie A is nothing to brag about, his record in Europe though is something that he should be praised for.

He faced actual competition there, and even if he lost the finals, on his way there he didn't have a easy path.

So why did we finish second to Juve in 2011-12 with Zlatan if they were so weak? Winning 4 scudetto's and 4 suppercoppa's with two different teams is very impressive. Especially considering the formations and squad of Juve have significantly changed over the years.

At least you can appreciate his great European record though :thumbsup:

forward · Oct 23, 2017

Kojak said:
So why did we finish second to Juve in 2011-12 with Zlatan if they were so weak?

Because he flopped like a bitch and that's why he is shit. :proud:

The only manager to lose the league with prime Zlatan. :proud:

Losing a 5 point advantage to Juve with 5 games left. :proud:

forward · Oct 23, 2017

rossonero1 said:
With Bonucci out, we could have gone back to 4-3-3 with Suso and Bonaventura on the wings where they excelled the most and just risked it with no real reserves until January, but ever since Montella moved Jack into the midfield, he's become a walking injury and now he is hurt again.

With Bonucci and Bonaventura out I say 4-4-2:
Donnarumma; Abate, Musacchio, Romagnoli, Rodriguez; Suso, Kessie, Biglia, Calhangolu; Kalinic/Silva, Cutrone

Who said Bonucci can't play in a 4 men defense?

Kojak · Oct 23, 2017

forward said:
One important thing to say though, is that Conte built the team for him.
He didn't start from scratch at Juve and already had a team that reached late stages of the tournament.

Nope. BBC + Buffon were the only players from the Conte era that featured in last years final. The other 7 players were never coached by him. He also swtiched formations to 4-2-3-1.

Kojak · Oct 23, 2017

forward said:
Because he flopped like a bitch and that's why he is shit.

The only manager to lose the league with prime Zlatan.
Losing a 5 point advantage to Juve with 5 games left.

Yep losing to a team who went on to win 6 consecutive scudetto's is the definition of flopping :lol:

leaf · Oct 23, 2017

KujaIX said:
Allegri clearly isn't fodder.

He has his drawbacks, fine, but he's a top manager.

We would be lucky to have him back.

Dear Lord I would take back $hitelegr! in a heartbeat.
You guys may or may not remember....I wasn't exactly his biggest fan

But at least :max:

learns after he's fucked up several times. At least he can get us playing simple Jack football and grind out a win or two

#Desperation

forward · Oct 23, 2017

Kojak said:
Nope. BBC + Buffon were the only players from the Conte era that featured in last years final. The other 7 players were never coached by him. He also swtiched formations to 4-2-3-1.

Nope. Tweaking a team that already clicks is easy.
Building a new Milan that hasn't won for a while with 11 new players - that's the real challenge.

If Allegri replaced Montella this summer, he would choke on a dick in a similar way.

rossonero1 · Oct 23, 2017

forward said:
Who said Bonucci can't play in a 4 men defense?

Not saying he can't, he does for the NT in Ventura's 4-2-4. But we would probably be playing with a back 4 already would that have been the case. There's a reason we aren't.

forward · Oct 23, 2017

Kojak said:
Yep losing to a team who went on to win 6 consecutive scudetto's is the definition of flopping

6 consecutive scudettos while their only real opponent (Milan) sold their key players and bought no replacements? (Ibra and Silva)

You are deluded. Go support Lube. :lol:

Kojak · Oct 23, 2017

forward said:
Nope. Tweaking a team that already clicks is easy.
Building a new Milan that hasn't won for a while with 11 new players - that's the real challenge.

If Allegri replaced Montella this summer, he would choke on a dick in a similar way.

So by that definition Allegri's a GOAT since he won our first scudetto after 7 years :lol:

Thanks and end of discussion :thumbsup:

Sorriso Sempre · Oct 23, 2017

Kojak said:
EPL clubs have the most lucrative TV deal in the world so can afford to pay more. Because they're cash rich other clubs rip them off and expect them to pay the bulk of the fee upfront. E.g. Silva was linked to Arsenal recently and you won't find anything saying they paid for their recent signings (Ozil/Xhaka/Mustafi) in several installments. Same goes for Spurs who were linked to Suso. They signed Sanchez for 42m with 28m paid upfront and the remainder linked to performances. Here's a link:

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ews-Davinson-Sanchez-Ajax-Done-Deal-Confirmed

As for your second comment, doesn't matter what language you use. When you're saying a manager winning is similar to players winning that's comparing.

you dont answer anything at all
juventus are not an epl club with that lucrative tv deal yet though they make more tv money than most of epl clubs bar man utd and city.

yet though they prefer to pay in installments

on the second part.i didnt use any language argument.it seems it falls in the 'bad reading comprehension of yours' category

Kojak · Oct 23, 2017

forward said:
6 consecutive scudettos while their only real opponent (Milan) sold their key players and bought no replacements? (Ibra and Silva)

You are deluded. Go support Lube.

Says the dude who's fav player is Montoleader :lol:

Berlusconi · Oct 23, 2017

necromancer said:
So Koeman follows De Boer in proving the maxim that Eredivisie is pretty much the shittiest league in all of Europe and the champion managers in that league will flop miserably elsewhere.

He did well at Southampton, and not bad last year with Everton.

ykou · Oct 23, 2017

AC Kid said:
I said this when F&M got appointed, this club would become another Inter..

I said when the club was sold to yonghong li that li is not rich enough to return this club to top level. Now top level coach are not convinced as we have to sell if can not reah cl this season. It is a one time spending

rossonero1 · Oct 23, 2017

ykou said:
I said when the club was sold to yonghong li that li is not rich enough to return this club to top level. Now top level coach are not convinced as we have to sell if can not reah cl this season. It is a one time spending

You can blame Fassone, Mirabelli and Montella, but not Li. The guy got us 200m+ to spend this summer. He did his job. That's F+M's fault for spending it the way they did or keeping Montella around to manage it. You don't need to be filthy rich to be successful anyways.

KujaIX · Oct 23, 2017

"Allegri is shit because Conte built that team, he'd never succeed with a major influx"

Despite Allegri winning Milan their first Scudetto in 7 years after a major influx of players, despite him getting to 2 CL finals in 3 years against difficult competition while Conte flopped in comparison, despite him widely being seen as completely remoulding that Juventus team as the core left and were replaced and making it even better?

No, not that Allegri. That was Del Neri who did all that. Maybe Sarri on Saturdays. Allegri had nothing to do with that.

And at Milan we won the title. Then there was the classic Muntari ghost goal season. Then his team was sold from under him. And yet he still managed to get 3rd and have Europe leading form when our team was pretty much being picked apart by B&G

forward · Oct 23, 2017

So many Allegri orphans here. :lol:

KujaIX · Oct 23, 2017

I mean, yes, we did go from being ahead in the league to losing it to Juventus, yes, we did (beware, shittest argument ever coming up) only finish 4 points behind them and so the Muntari goal didn't even matter

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But do you people actually think that that goal was so meaningless?

We would have been 2-0 up, against Juventus, dominating them, in the title-deciding match, which would have ended their unbeaten streak with 5 games remaining.

But, no. If we were good enough, we'd have won it anyway. It was a fair draw as Matri actually scored a valid disallowed goal. We finished more than 2 points adrift in the end anyway.

That utter robbery ruined the rest of our season. Can you complain that Allegri should have been able to stop us imploding after that? Yeah, I guess, but are you going to complain about the players conceding after having a valid goal ruled out in such a manner or are you going to complain about that goal being disallowed?

If that goal was counted - and it was one of the most egregious officiating fuck-ups I can remember - I am 100% confident we would have won that game and Juventus would have been the ones to implode, if anybody was going to. They would have had their unbeaten season fall below their eyes, just before the finish line. They would have just lost to their title rival, going 7 points behind(or whatever it was).

Call Conte the master motivator that we all accept he is, but you can't use him as some broad-brush "Allegri stood no-chance, Conte would have won regardless" because that's shit.

forward · Oct 23, 2017

KujaIX said:
I mean, yes, we did go from being ahead in the league to losing it to Juventus, yes, we did (beware, shittest argument ever coming up) only finish 4 points behind them and so the Muntari goal didn't even matterfp

We were 5 points ahead of Juve and finished 4 points behind.

Was that all Muntari's ghost goal? :monto:

KujaIX · Oct 23, 2017

forward said:
We were 5 points ahead of Juve and finished 4 points behind.

No choke.

Had a completely valid goal which was feet over the line disallowed which would have put us 2-0 up, ending their unbeaten streak.

Not important because Matri scored offside goal 50 minutes later :monto:

How people cannot note that single moment as being the catalyst of our not winning the title(and I'm not even mentioning Robinho's 'also over the line' non-goal and Seedorf's 2ft onside disallowed goal)?

We were fucked over. I'm not saying there was some conspiracy but to apportion the blame to Allegri is just fucking ludicrous.

You are in spouting just unfathomably wrong opinions and being clearly biased against certain people.

And I didn't say it wasn't a choke. I said there was a clear reason why it was a choke and that it shouldn't have happened.

Steffi Graf wins loads of slams. Monica Seles comes along and wins loads, looks to potentially best her. Seles is stabbed, Graf wins plenty more, Seles only one.

No, stabbing meant nothing. Graf was always better.

Kojak · Oct 23, 2017

KujaIX said:
"Allegri is shit because Conte built that team, he'd never succeed with a major influx"

Despite Allegri winning Milan their first Scudetto in 7 years after a major influx of players, despite him getting to 2 CL finals in 3 years against difficult competition while Conte flopped in comparison, despite him widely being seen as completely remoulding that Juventus team as the core left and were replaced and making it even better?

No, not that Allegri. That was Del Neri who did all that. Maybe Sarri on Saturdays. Allegri had nothing to do with that.

And at Milan we won the title. Then there was the classic Muntari ghost goal season. Then his team was sold from under him. And yet he still managed to get 3rd and have Europe leading form when our team was pretty much being picked apart by B&G

Too much logic in one post.

Don't waste your time with backwards. His fav players Montoleader :lol:

ykou · Oct 23, 2017

rossonero1 said:
You can blame Fassone, Mirabelli and Montella, but not Li. The guy got us 200m+ to spend this summer. He did his job. That's F+M's fault for spending it the way they did or keeping Montella around to manage it. You don't need to be filthy rich to be successful anyways.

As a Milan fan for 20yrs, I really hope Milan can get back to top with thr new owner. But li care more about making money from Milan by put it in stock exchange market. His reputation is not very good and the future of the club is not certain. Jusi my concern.

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