scharatz said:
I'm acting like them? If I recall correctly, I'm the one who called them wankers and defended the players, whereas you and missy here said it was deserved. "It's their own fault". Sure...
Who is 'missy' ?
If you are referring to me, well, first I'm not your missy, second I didn't claim it was their own fault but asked to at least take into consideration such simple things as cause + effect .. or action + reaction.. When the English show up in Spain wearing those ani-racism t-shirts (according to the Spanish media they did) + thus taking a side-swipe at Aragones + the Spanish people, hinting they are racists, they should not be that surprised if people feel offended.. What sucks is the sweeping generalisation that brands a whole people as racist when in reality it is only a minority + only a minority of those who made the noises are really racist. The rest wasn't thinking or felt provoked + did it as a reaction on a certain attitude displayed by the English players. That's what the average Spanish folks say in the media.. Racist chants are not the rule in Spanish stadiums, I never hear monkey noises towards some Brazilian or African players of colour in La Liga, yet the English media harps on + on about it + creates a very distorted picture of the average Spanish football fan. Well.. it's so much easier to make a mountain out of this molehill than dedicate their energy to dealing with their sub-par performance on the pitch, isn't it ?
scharatz said:
And no, it doesn't happen in England. It used to happen in 70s and 80s but not anymore. Shame the rest of the world can't follow the example.
Bullshit. It happened in the 90s + it happens now, maybe not among the ManU or Arsenal or Chelsea crowd but even those big clubs were campaigning for years + years + years to raise awareness + educate their fans.
Not making those noises + sing those chants btw doesn't mean people are less racist, it just means they behave cos otherwise they'd be disciplined + might end up with a stadium ban. So what has been cured is not the disease but one symptom, that of displaying a certain behaviour in the stadium. Anyway, fact remains you have enough skinheads + white supremacist people also in England. And a whole bunch of violent 'fans' who just travel Europe to get their sick kicks by beating up people, starting fights everywhere, smash shop windows, destroy vehicles, raise hell in trams, buses, trains + subways etc etc. Why can't they follow the example of the peaceful Scots ?
I have a huge problem with this presumptuous 'England + everything English is better than the rest' attitude