Spanish La Liga Thread (BBVA)

Who will win La Liga and which two teams will complete the top 4?


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madtherchot said:
You mean like RVN scoring the bulk of his UCL goals against Steaua and Dynamo :tongue:

Steaua and Dynamo are better than division 1 teams and also better than Arsenals reserves :)
 

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But definitely not as good as Barca, Werder, Valencia and Porto ;) Besides, most of Chelsea's key players were either injured or poor performers at some point and Chelsea fans have Drogba to thank for carrying them this far in quite a few competitions. Has RVN made an assist like Drogba's with Joe Cole against Liverpool? Don't think so ... not for many years, at least. Now picture Kaka' instead of J.Cole ...
 

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But definitely not as good as Barca, Werder, Valencia and Porto ;) Besides, most of Chelsea's key players were either injured or poor performers at some point and Chelsea fans have Drogba to thank for carrying them this far in quite a few competitions. Has RVN made an assist like Drogba's with Joe Cole against Liverpool? Don't think so ... not for many years, at least. Now picture Kaka' instead of J.Cole ...

Ruud has scored againts Barca.Real have been having all sort of problems but somehow someway he still scored as many goals as Drogba. Now im in no way suggesting that RVN is having the season of his life but is having a good/average season. It is his first season so thats why i would consider it good. Yet this is Drogba's best ever season in he is still on par with Ruud on cl goals and league goals. The way the Drogba groupies talk about Drogba is like he is having a season which can be compared to the likes of Pele, E'to, etc when he is no where near that. His total goal scoring record in the champions league also sucks and is no where near RVN's. Sorry dude and better luck next time :)
 

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van Nistelrooy has made many assists that are better than Drogba's... i'm sure Raul will admit it...
 

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Lets take RVN's goal against Barca ... a tap in with an equally important assist - think it was Robinho if I remember. Drogba's was an individual stunner with him getting full credit. No need to bring up the cumulative number of goals scored in a competition because, remember, we were comparing them beginning last summer ;) I'm not comparing Drogba to Pele, by the way :rolleyes: All I've said is that he's better than RVN and Milan would have been better off signing him rather than RVN last summer. Does that make you a RVN groupie? :) Luck is never on my side, so I'm used to not having it :D

zZZz ... I doubt RVN could/would have taken on Agger like Drogba did + made the assist. RVN's assists are usually through balls (at least the ones I've seen) as he drops back, and almost like Ronaldo, can't take on defenders. I said almost, because Ronaldo is showing signs that he's regained that confidence back albeit against lesser teams.

I think we should have a poll to end this once and for all. Who would you rather Milan signed last summer ... Drogba or RVN ?
 
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madtherchot said:
Lets take RVN's goal against Barca ... a tap in with an equally important assist - think it was Robinho if I remember. Drogba's was an individual stunner with him getting full credit. No need to bring up the cumulative number of goals scored in a competition because, remember, we were comparing them beginning last summer ;) I'm not comparing Drogba to Pele, by the way :rolleyes: All I've said is that he's better than RVN and Milan would have been better off signing him rather than RVN last summer. Does that make you a RVN groupie? :) Luck is never on my side, so I'm used to not having it :D


Sadly Drogba couldnt even get much tap in's during his first two dissapointing seasons with Chelsky. Whats the point of having individual stunners in some games and sucking at the rest? I would rather have someone do a job more consistantly.

No need to bring up cumalive number of goals? why not? Because you know Drogba doesnt stand a chance when you compare the both? :D

I think last season, RVN had about 20-21 goals in epl and that was more than what the great Drogba could manage in his best and only good season :D RVN groupie? Did i start a thread about him or post pictures of him? Hell no. All im trying to say is Drogba is probably one the most over-rated striker of all time and players like RVN score more goals than him when they are having average\good season. We dont have to have a poll. I would rather you back your argument with some stats :D
 

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madtherchot said:
I think we should have a poll to end this once and for all. Who would you rather Milan signed last summer ... Drogba or RVN ?
Then I would vote None or Others ..
 

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As I said from the beginning countless times, the discussion was who Milan should've signed last summer - so history before that doesn't count. Lets not go around in circles now, shall we? ;)

Well, Drogba has lead Chelsea's attack on four fronts. With Robben injured for 3/4 of the season + Shave being the definition of a flop, its safe to say Drogba was the only reliable striker Chelsea had this season. Look at Real's list of strikers + the number of minutes RVN played in comparison to Drogba and you'll understand why Drogba ran out of steam towards the end of the season - international duties included. The constant reliance on Drogba by Chelsea to create almost anything and everything in attack + their decent run in four competitions should speak high of his performances this season.

And, for the last time, we didn't need a tap-in specialist since we already had two of the breed. A third would've still seen us sign Ronaldo in the winter. So the fact that Drogba isn't a tap-in striker makes him more appealing to Milan. The way how Lampard, J.Cole, Ballack have played off his setups (long ball into defense, Drogba winning the battle in the air + dropping the ball kindly for the aforementioned to strike) begs me to wonder what the results would've been if he was teamed up with Kaka', Clarence and Pirlo, to a lesser extent. Something I'm afraid isn't part of RVN's game which I remember mentioning last summer itself.

You started the groupie talk ... what I'm doing for Drogba is nothing different from what you're doing for RVN. Lets leave that out of the discussion.

I think its obvious third party intervention would be necessary to settle this once and for all since we have been going around in circles for way too long. A poll wouldn't be out of line though the hatred Drogba has in these forums must put you at an advantage, yet I'm willing to take the grunt.

There is no doubt in my mind that Drogba would have been the better striker for us to recruit as of last summer + his brilliant performances this season, for a neutral, should sway the decision highly in my favor.

PS. By the way, you haven't seen me take cheap shots at your beloved RVN now, have you ;)
I'm not a stats person, but if you could, I'd like to see the number of goals + assists by both of them this season.
 

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Then I would vote None or Others ..
Well were linked to the two last summer. I preferred Drogba while Menon RVN and thats how it started. Kindly chose between the two :tongue:
 

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madtherchot said:
As I said from the beginning countless times, the discussion was who Milan should've signed last summer - so history before that doesn't count. Lets not go around in circles now, shall we? ;)

Well, Drogba has lead Chelsea's attack on four fronts. With Robben injured for 3/4 of the season + Shave being the definition of a flop, its safe to say Drogba was the only reliable striker Chelsea had this season. Look at Real's list of strikers + the number of minutes RVN played in comparison to Drogba and you'll understand why Drogba ran out of steam towards the end of the season - international duties included. The constant reliance on Drogba by Chelsea to create almost anything and everything in attack + their decent run in four competitions should speak high of his performances this season.

And, for the last time, we didn't need a tap-in specialist since we already had two of the breed. A third would've still seen us sign Ronaldo in the winter. So the fact that Drogba isn't a tap-in striker makes him more appealing to Milan. The way how Lampard, J.Cole, Ballack have played off his setups (long ball into defense, Drogba winning the battle in the air + dropping the ball kindly for the aforementioned to strike) begs me to wonder what the results would've been if he was teamed up with Kaka', Clarence and Pirlo, to a lesser extent. Something I'm afraid isn't part of RVN's game which I remember mentioning last summer itself.

You started the groupie talk ... what I'm doing for Drogba is nothing different from what you're doing for RVN. Lets leave that out of the discussion.

I think its obvious third party intervention would be necessary to settle this once and for all since we have been going around in circles for way too long. A poll wouldn't be out of line though the hatred Drogba has in these forums must put you at an advantage, yet I'm willing to take the grunt.

There is no doubt in my mind that Drogba would have been the better striker for us to recruit as of last summer + his brilliant performances this season, for a neutral, should sway the decision highly in my favor.

PS. By the way, you haven't seen me take cheap shots at your beloved RVN now, have you ;)
I'm not a stats person, but if you could, I'd like to see the number of goals + assists by both of them this season.
I havent really followed this Drogba Vs RVN argument too closely, as it involves two players that i really dont care much about. But if Milan had ot have signed one of them in the past summer, it would have had ot been Drogba. Not because of the stellar season hes had, but because RVN is a cherry picker, and with Gila and PIppo, god knows we dont need ANOTHER one of those.
While drogba doesnt quite fit the classical defn of support striker, eg shev, ronaldinho, tevez, he does posses far greater passing and vision. Which was what we needed.
At the start of the season, Gila was expected to do as well as the previous season, and with pippo behind him, we had no shortage of in-the-box-finishers.
IMO neither would have been hte perfect option, but for the sake of this argument, I would have gone with drogba, having seen him at marseille and chelsea, doing much more than just wait for the through ball and score.
 

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madtherchot said:
As I said from the beginning countless times, the discussion was who Milan should've signed last summer - so history before that doesn't count. Lets not go around in circles now, shall we? ;) .

Well ofcourse history before that counts. Why would you sign a player who not only had a poor goals scoring record and history but had 2 dissapointing seasons in chelsky?

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Well, Drogba has lead Chelsea's attack on four fronts. With Robben injured for 3/4 of the season + Shave being the definition of a flop, its safe to say Drogba was the only reliable striker Chelsea had this season. Look at Real's list of strikers + the number of minutes RVN played in comparison to Drogba and you'll understand why Drogba ran out of steam towards the end of the season - international duties included. The constant reliance on Drogba by Chelsea to create almost anything and everything in attack + their decent run in four competitions should speak high of his performances this season. .


Well after having 2 dissapointing seasons in which Chelsky had to rely heavyly on the likes of Lampard, Joe Cole, Robben etc to get goals because of Drogba's dissapointing performance, it was about time he got his act together and repay some of the 24-25 million which chelsky spend to bring him to the bridge. RVN had to adapt to a new team, a new coach, a new club (which is suffering from all sort of internal politics, fight for his place with the likes of Raul, Ronaldo, Cassano, Robinho, etc and still won his battle to start and is scoring goals.

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And, for the last time, we didn't need a tap-in specialist since we already had two of the breed. A third would've still seen us sign Ronaldo in the winter. So the fact that Drogba isn't a tap-in striker makes him more appealing to Milan. The way how Lampard, J.Cole, Ballack have played off his setups (long ball into defense, Drogba winning the battle in the air + dropping the ball kindly for the aforementioned to strike) begs me to wonder what the results would've been if he was teamed up with Kaka', Clarence and Pirlo, to a lesser extent. Something I'm afraid isn't part of RVN's game which I remember mentioning last summer itself. .

We all knew that Inzaghi has fitness battles almost every season and we cannot depend on him. As for Gila, he had a dissapointing world cup and sucked in the cl so we needed someone that could deliver on all accounts. Now, i did not want us to sign RVN if we had other options. I only said that if it was down to signing Drogba and RVN, i would have definetly signed RVN because of his proven goal scoring record. RVN was also quoted to be available for around 10-14 million pounds while Drogba's was quoted to be somewhere around 30 million so why gamble on that?

madtherchot said:
You started the groupie talk ... what I'm doing for Drogba is nothing different from what you're doing for RVN. Lets leave that out of the discussion. .

I was talking about someone else :D

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There is no doubt in my mind that Drogba would have been the better striker for us to recruit as of last summer + his brilliant performances this season, for a neutral, should sway the decision highly in my favor. .

I still dont agree. RVN has proven his ability to adapt to a new environment and team while Drogba took 3 years to adapt. Drogba was also Mourinho's fav and was given 3 years to actually get his form but i doubt Drogba would have been given 3 years to settle at Milan and would have probably been shipped out during summer.

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PS. By the way, you haven't seen me take cheap shots at your beloved RVN now, have you ;)
I'm not a stats person, but if you could, I'd like to see the number of goals + assists by both of them this season.

I dont have the stats but i do know that RVN has more league goals than Drogba and they are both on par with the number of goals they scored in the cl this season. Once again i would like to repeat that RVN is having somewhere between an average/good season and has more league goals than Drogba who is supposedly having his best season. I guess that says a lot.
 

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Once again i would like to repeat that RVN is having somewhere between an average/good season and has more league goals than Drogba who is supposedly having his best season. I guess that says a lot.
As I said im not too ken on either of htem, so im not really leaning one way or the other, but would you really rather have had Pippo, Gila and RVN as three of our strikers? If that was the case i think we would have ended up int eh same posn, with kaka being forced to move up to a support striker, alongside probably rvn. Probably would have improved our season a bit, but i dont think it was the replacement we were looking for.
Getting rvn would be a gila/pippo replacement, not a sheva replacement.
 

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As I said im not too ken on either of htem, so im not really leaning one way or the other, but would you really rather have had Pippo, Gila and RVN as three of our strikers? If that was the case i think we would have ended up int eh same posn, with kaka being forced to move up to a support striker, alongside probably rvn. Probably would have improved our season a bit, but i dont think it was the replacement we were looking for.
Getting rvn would be a gila/pippo replacement, not a sheva replacement.

Well i agree that RVN would not have been the idle choice as we could have signed other strikers like Tevez, Cassano, etc. Well with Inzaghi out and always injured that would have left us with Gila for most of the season and he didnt have a good CL goal scoring record. Playing RVN with Kaka would have been a good option. Well with an exception to this season, Drogba was poor and his record sucks so why would we gamble 25-30 million plus (which was the figure they quoted for Drogba during that time) when we could have at least scored RVN for a much cheaper price and use the other 15-20 million on other players?
 

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Sadly Drogba couldnt even get much tap in's during his first two dissapointing seasons with Chelsky. Whats the point of having individual stunners in some games and sucking at the rest? I would rather have someone do a job more consistantly.

No need to bring up cumalive number of goals? why not? Because you know Drogba doesnt stand a chance when you compare the both? :D
I'm not sure what to make of this. In the EPL thread you accuse Chelsea of being a poor club because they don't play to entertain. Yet you criticize Drogba for scoring stunners-entertaining goals rather than consistant, (boring), tap-ins like Ruud. So which is it? Entertain or be consistant/efficient? You can't have it both ways.
 

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Thanks for getting my point Radio.

Da Menon ... at least we can agree on one thing: both were a better gamble than 20 mil + Vogel Oil :rolleyes: Think we should come to terms about us not coming to an agreement since its all hypothetical really as neither have played in the toughest defensive league of them all.
 

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Tsar said:
I'm not sure what to make of this. In the EPL thread you accuse Chelsea of being a poor club because they don't play to entertain. Yet you criticize Drogba for scoring stunners-entertaining goals rather than consistant, (boring), tap-ins like Ruud. So which is it? Entertain or be consistant/efficient? You can't have it both ways.

Well maybe you should go back to the forum you created than since you dont the difference between playing as a team and scoring good individual goals. A team can suck for 91 mins and if one player scores a great goal, doest that mean they are an entertaining team? :o


RVN scored a goal againts fulham taking on players from the middle of the field, does that mean he is going to do it every week? Hell no. Its pretty much the same with Drogba. Its all about consistancy.
 

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madtherchot said:
Thanks for getting my point Radio.

Da Menon ... at least we can agree on one thing: both were a better gamble than 20 mil + Vogel Oil :rolleyes: Think we should come to terms about us not coming to an agreement since its all hypothetical really as neither have played in the toughest defensive league of them all.

You mean Oil? :D
 

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Of course ... have we come to an agreement then?

yeah ofcourse. I hope we can at least make half of it back when we sell him next season.
 
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Well maybe you should go back to the forum you created than since you dont the difference between playing as a team and scoring good individual goals. A team can suck for 91 mins and if one player scores a great goal, doest that mean they are an entertaining team? :o


RVN scored a goal againts fulham taking on players from the middle of the field, does that mean he is going to do it every week? Hell no. Its pretty much the same with Drogba. Its all about consistancy.
Your waffeling again, Menon.

Answer the question.

Is Chelsea and Ruud's efficient, no-thrills ideology/mentality the better football?

Or is it Drogba's and presumably Man Utd's entertaining, inconsistant, eye pleasing ideals and ethos?

Which is it? One or tuther?
 

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Your waffeling again, Menon.

Answer the question.

Is Chelsea and Ruud's efficient, no-thrills ideology/mentality the better football?

Or is it Drogba's and presumably Man Utd's entertaining, inconsistant, eye pleasing ideals and ethos?

Which is it? One or tuther?


what F*** are you on about Marcel?

Man Utd are entertaining and consistant. That why the won the league.

Chelsky are boring and not consistant enough+did not win the league and cl so its been a total dissapointing year.

Drogba plays for Chelsky and Ruud plays for Real.
 

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Answer the question Superman, we are talking about mentality here, not end result, which mentality/ethos/ideology is it you're going for? 1 or 2? defend or attack? consistant or inconsistant? bore or entertain? slow or fast?

It really couldn't be easier for you Superman, all you need to do is choose one or the other.
 

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Tsar said:
Answer the question Superman, we are talking about mentality here, not end result, which mentality/ethos/ideology is it you're going for? 1 or 2? defend or attack? consistant or inconsistant? bore or entertain? slow or fast?

It really couldn't be easier for you Superman, all you need to do is choose one or the other.

Well ass clown, a team and a player is different. Which part of that dont you understand?

Gila is a tap in striker. Does that mean Milan play boring football? :o

A player can be a tap in player but if he scores at a consistant level, it could mean he plays in a good team+which has excellent build up play and can create a tap in chance for him. It also has to do with experience and being in the right place at the right time.

A team can also suck but have 1 or 2 players that can score spectacular goals. Does that make the whole team entertaining?

Now go and study architecture. :o
 

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AGAIN - We are talking about mentality/ethos/ideology, something that a club, team, player and manager can all have in common.

Answer the question.

... Or is the reason you are struggeling with an answer is because you have given two polar opposite, hypocritical statements to suit your pro Man Utd/anti Chelsea agenda?
 

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Tsar said:
AGAIN - We are talking about mentality/ethos/ideology, something that a club, team, player and manager can all have in common.

Answer the question.

... Or is the reason you are struggeling with an answer is because you have given two polar opposite, hypocritical statements to suit your pro Man Utd/anti Chelsea agenda?

Again you were not involved in the conversation so there is no we. Go get your attention else where.

man utd this year=entertaining+consistant+won the league.
chelsky this year= boring+did not win the league+not consistant enough.

what has that got to do with Ruuds and Drogba's form.

RVN is having an average/good season and has scored more league goals than Drogba who is having his best season ever.


What has that got to do with Man Utd or Chelsky, Marcel?
 

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currently Getafe is 4 nil up against Barca in the Copa Del Rey... leadin' 6-5 on aggregate...

it seems Messi's wonder goal in the 1st leg is goin' to waste...
 
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zZ[-_-]Zz said:
currently Getafe is 4 nil up against Barca in the Copa Del Rey... leadin' 7-5 on aggregate...

it seems Messi's wonder goal in the 1st leg is goin' to waste...


well getafe ridiculized barca by winning 4-0 and on aggregate 5-7!

another demolition to barca from a non-superior team. AS ALWAYS..BARCA GETS COCKY AND THEY GET COCKED!

JAJAJAAJ BUUBHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHA

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

MESSI'S WONDER GOAL? DID IT COUNT TO HELP BARCA GO THROUGH?

nope...sorry messi...

and by the way...ronaldinhos sucks so much!

i dont want this guy in milan never ever!

my season is getting better...barca out of CL, out of copa dle REy and probably madrid or sevilla will not let them win the league.

and if milan wins the CL its gonna be one great party!


FORZA GETAFE

GOOD WORK
 

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