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madtherchot said:You mean like RVN scoring the bulk of his UCL goals against Steaua and Dynamo
Steaua and Dynamo are better than division 1 teams and also better than Arsenals reserves
madtherchot said:You mean like RVN scoring the bulk of his UCL goals against Steaua and Dynamo
madtherchot said:But definitely not as good as Barca, Werder, Valencia and Porto Besides, most of Chelsea's key players were either injured or poor performers at some point and Chelsea fans have Drogba to thank for carrying them this far in quite a few competitions. Has RVN made an assist like Drogba's with Joe Cole against Liverpool? Don't think so ... not for many years, at least. Now picture Kaka' instead of J.Cole ...
madtherchot said:Lets take RVN's goal against Barca ... a tap in with an equally important assist - think it was Robinho if I remember. Drogba's was an individual stunner with him getting full credit. No need to bring up the cumulative number of goals scored in a competition because, remember, we were comparing them beginning last summer I'm not comparing Drogba to Pele, by the way All I've said is that he's better than RVN and Milan would have been better off signing him rather than RVN last summer. Does that make you a RVN groupie? Luck is never on my side, so I'm used to not having it
Then I would vote None or Others ..madtherchot said:I think we should have a poll to end this once and for all. Who would you rather Milan signed last summer ... Drogba or RVN ?
Well were linked to the two last summer. I preferred Drogba while Menon RVN and thats how it started. Kindly chose between the twopipa said:Then I would vote None or Others ..
I havent really followed this Drogba Vs RVN argument too closely, as it involves two players that i really dont care much about. But if Milan had ot have signed one of them in the past summer, it would have had ot been Drogba. Not because of the stellar season hes had, but because RVN is a cherry picker, and with Gila and PIppo, god knows we dont need ANOTHER one of those.madtherchot said:As I said from the beginning countless times, the discussion was who Milan should've signed last summer - so history before that doesn't count. Lets not go around in circles now, shall we?
Well, Drogba has lead Chelsea's attack on four fronts. With Robben injured for 3/4 of the season + Shave being the definition of a flop, its safe to say Drogba was the only reliable striker Chelsea had this season. Look at Real's list of strikers + the number of minutes RVN played in comparison to Drogba and you'll understand why Drogba ran out of steam towards the end of the season - international duties included. The constant reliance on Drogba by Chelsea to create almost anything and everything in attack + their decent run in four competitions should speak high of his performances this season.
And, for the last time, we didn't need a tap-in specialist since we already had two of the breed. A third would've still seen us sign Ronaldo in the winter. So the fact that Drogba isn't a tap-in striker makes him more appealing to Milan. The way how Lampard, J.Cole, Ballack have played off his setups (long ball into defense, Drogba winning the battle in the air + dropping the ball kindly for the aforementioned to strike) begs me to wonder what the results would've been if he was teamed up with Kaka', Clarence and Pirlo, to a lesser extent. Something I'm afraid isn't part of RVN's game which I remember mentioning last summer itself.
You started the groupie talk ... what I'm doing for Drogba is nothing different from what you're doing for RVN. Lets leave that out of the discussion.
I think its obvious third party intervention would be necessary to settle this once and for all since we have been going around in circles for way too long. A poll wouldn't be out of line though the hatred Drogba has in these forums must put you at an advantage, yet I'm willing to take the grunt.
There is no doubt in my mind that Drogba would have been the better striker for us to recruit as of last summer + his brilliant performances this season, for a neutral, should sway the decision highly in my favor.
PS. By the way, you haven't seen me take cheap shots at your beloved RVN now, have you
I'm not a stats person, but if you could, I'd like to see the number of goals + assists by both of them this season.
madtherchot said:As I said from the beginning countless times, the discussion was who Milan should've signed last summer - so history before that doesn't count. Lets not go around in circles now, shall we? .
madtherchot said:Well, Drogba has lead Chelsea's attack on four fronts. With Robben injured for 3/4 of the season + Shave being the definition of a flop, its safe to say Drogba was the only reliable striker Chelsea had this season. Look at Real's list of strikers + the number of minutes RVN played in comparison to Drogba and you'll understand why Drogba ran out of steam towards the end of the season - international duties included. The constant reliance on Drogba by Chelsea to create almost anything and everything in attack + their decent run in four competitions should speak high of his performances this season. .
madtherchot said:And, for the last time, we didn't need a tap-in specialist since we already had two of the breed. A third would've still seen us sign Ronaldo in the winter. So the fact that Drogba isn't a tap-in striker makes him more appealing to Milan. The way how Lampard, J.Cole, Ballack have played off his setups (long ball into defense, Drogba winning the battle in the air + dropping the ball kindly for the aforementioned to strike) begs me to wonder what the results would've been if he was teamed up with Kaka', Clarence and Pirlo, to a lesser extent. Something I'm afraid isn't part of RVN's game which I remember mentioning last summer itself. .
madtherchot said:You started the groupie talk ... what I'm doing for Drogba is nothing different from what you're doing for RVN. Lets leave that out of the discussion. .
madtherchot said:There is no doubt in my mind that Drogba would have been the better striker for us to recruit as of last summer + his brilliant performances this season, for a neutral, should sway the decision highly in my favor. .
madtherchot said:PS. By the way, you haven't seen me take cheap shots at your beloved RVN now, have you
I'm not a stats person, but if you could, I'd like to see the number of goals + assists by both of them this season.
As I said im not too ken on either of htem, so im not really leaning one way or the other, but would you really rather have had Pippo, Gila and RVN as three of our strikers? If that was the case i think we would have ended up int eh same posn, with kaka being forced to move up to a support striker, alongside probably rvn. Probably would have improved our season a bit, but i dont think it was the replacement we were looking for.menon_inc said:Once again i would like to repeat that RVN is having somewhere between an average/good season and has more league goals than Drogba who is supposedly having his best season. I guess that says a lot.
radioactivenerd said:As I said im not too ken on either of htem, so im not really leaning one way or the other, but would you really rather have had Pippo, Gila and RVN as three of our strikers? If that was the case i think we would have ended up int eh same posn, with kaka being forced to move up to a support striker, alongside probably rvn. Probably would have improved our season a bit, but i dont think it was the replacement we were looking for.
Getting rvn would be a gila/pippo replacement, not a sheva replacement.
I'm not sure what to make of this. In the EPL thread you accuse Chelsea of being a poor club because they don't play to entertain. Yet you criticize Drogba for scoring stunners-entertaining goals rather than consistant, (boring), tap-ins like Ruud. So which is it? Entertain or be consistant/efficient? You can't have it both ways.menon_inc said:Sadly Drogba couldnt even get much tap in's during his first two dissapointing seasons with Chelsky. Whats the point of having individual stunners in some games and sucking at the rest? I would rather have someone do a job more consistantly.
No need to bring up cumalive number of goals? why not? Because you know Drogba doesnt stand a chance when you compare the both?
Tsar said:I'm not sure what to make of this. In the EPL thread you accuse Chelsea of being a poor club because they don't play to entertain. Yet you criticize Drogba for scoring stunners-entertaining goals rather than consistant, (boring), tap-ins like Ruud. So which is it? Entertain or be consistant/efficient? You can't have it both ways.
madtherchot said:Thanks for getting my point Radio.
Da Menon ... at least we can agree on one thing: both were a better gamble than 20 mil + Vogel Oil Think we should come to terms about us not coming to an agreement since its all hypothetical really as neither have played in the toughest defensive league of them all.
madtherchot said:Of course ... have we come to an agreement then?
Your waffeling again, Menon.menon_inc said:Well maybe you should go back to the forum you created than since you dont the difference between playing as a team and scoring good individual goals. A team can suck for 91 mins and if one player scores a great goal, doest that mean they are an entertaining team?
RVN scored a goal againts fulham taking on players from the middle of the field, does that mean he is going to do it every week? Hell no. Its pretty much the same with Drogba. Its all about consistancy.
Tsar said:Your waffeling again, Menon.
Answer the question.
Is Chelsea and Ruud's efficient, no-thrills ideology/mentality the better football?
Or is it Drogba's and presumably Man Utd's entertaining, inconsistant, eye pleasing ideals and ethos?
Which is it? One or tuther?
Tsar said:Answer the question Superman, we are talking about mentality here, not end result, which mentality/ethos/ideology is it you're going for? 1 or 2? defend or attack? consistant or inconsistant? bore or entertain? slow or fast?
It really couldn't be easier for you Superman, all you need to do is choose one or the other.
Tsar said:AGAIN - We are talking about mentality/ethos/ideology, something that a club, team, player and manager can all have in common.
Answer the question.
... Or is the reason you are struggeling with an answer is because you have given two polar opposite, hypocritical statements to suit your pro Man Utd/anti Chelsea agenda?
zZ[-_-]Zz said:currently Getafe is 4 nil up against Barca in the Copa Del Rey... leadin' 7-5 on aggregate...
it seems Messi's wonder goal in the 1st leg is goin' to waste...