Fucking hell, Wild. Why so angry?
If our Milan played like Spain then half this forum would be masturbating all over the forum.
Maybe half this forum would - if Milan were winning. The other half, depending on whether they liked the coach or not, would most likely be complaining about Milan playing too slowly.
This Spain remind me a lot of the Milan that butchered Barca.
You know the game that 99% of this forum didnt even watch.
That massive Barca was surrounded in the midfield & Romario + co didnt get one single ball the entire game.
How did Milan do that ?
Did they attack the fuck out of Barca ?
Nope , one word -- > midfield.
I defended Ancelotti, remember? I don't need the value of midfield dominance explained to me.
Again , all the ppl denying this Spain from the praise they deserve for how good are they in cutting the air from their opponent should take some of their posting time about worthless shit + get educated about the team they love.
You need to get past this idea that everyone apart from you is an idiot. It's making you paranoid. When did I ever deny that this is a very good Spanish side? All I've said about them is that I don't find their style of play as entertaining as the majority of pundits, posters and devotees of the English media seem to.
If teams are going to play possession-based football, I like to see them move the ball quickly and use that to stretch the opposition. With regard to attacking football in general, I like to watch teams who play with width and pace. It's just a matter of personal preference. And just because I don't particularly enjoy watching Spain, that doesn't mean I don't respect them for being an effective team.
So they are reliant on Villa ?
So what ?
Torres as there only finisher was shit & Villa stepped in.
Didnt hear 90% of the ppl in this forum complain we used to be Kaka reliant.
You didn't hear most Milan fans admitting to their own side being a one-man-team? Well, there's a surprise.
There's a whole world of football discussion outside this forum, and in that world Milan were heavily criticised for their reliance on Kaka', even when they were winning the CL in '07. And Inter, for instance, were frequently slaughtered for their over-reliance on Ibrahimovic. Yet Spain aren't criticised for their reliance on Villa, and Arsenal, for example, don't get attacked for being carried by Fabregas.
My point is that a team's image can distort people's perception of the reality of their style of play. Arsenal and Spain are viewed as wonderful attacking sides, and on paper they both have several glamorous, talented players, so their huge reliance on their one star is rarely mentioned, and certainly isn't seen as a problem.
LOL @ most of their moves come from Inie & Ramos. Did you even watch the game ?
Pedro alone did more than those two combined.
And I guess Xavi's 5+ clinical passes/ game doesnt count since no Spanish player was able to finish with finish is the key word.
Not most of their moves; most of their
movement. Busquets, Alonso and Xavi tend to move just enough to make a little bit of space to receive a ball to feet and play a pass. That's not a criticism of them; that's just their game. Despite Villa pulling wide to make the pitch bigger and the occasional forward run by Capdevila, Iniesta and Ramos have generally been the only ones consistently making penetrating runs. Iniesta's work rate off the ball is out of this world.
I'll admit that against Germany their movement was better with the introduction of Pedro.
I'm not sure why you're talking about Xavi's passing here. I'm talking about movement. Although Xavi's opportunities to show his full ability have been severely limited by Spain's lack of forward movement.
Yeah , lets spare the team who is sitting back with a hope for a lucky goal over the team who is trying to figure a way to penetrate that wall of men + not getting lucky in the chances he was able to create.
Yes, I like Germany better than Spain. You've got me. If that personal preference means I know nothing about football, I really don't care.
And this two holding midfielder is a ******** theory + have no real indication if the team is defensive or offensive.
Firstly, don't patronise me.
Secondly, I think you're arguing against a point I never made. My point was actually quite similar to what you're saying about how a team's formation looks on paper doesn't necessarily indicate how attacking/defensive they are. There are a lot of people out there who either can't or don't want to look beyond things like numbers of defensive midfielders. The majority of the UK media and football fans in this country will hear "2 defensive midfielders", and if it's a team they don't like (e.g. Italy), they'll immediately write them off as a negative team.
They also tend to be extremely critical about sides who wear the opposition down with extended periods of directionless possession. Yet when it's Spain, the media and the public
love them for it, and talk endlessly about how entertaining their style of play is.
And when did Italy ever created like 6-7+ chances in a game vs a good team ?
As I've said above with regard to Spain's reliance on Villa, it's all about image. If Italy or Germany played the way Spain do, it wouldn't matter how many chances they created, because, unlike Spain, they're not viewed as exciting teams. They would still be written off as boring and negative.
Did you even watch the game ?
You would have much more interesting, productive discussions if you cut this crap out and engage in proper debate rather than attacking people.
