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View Poll Results: Who was a better striker
Ronaldo 1 11.11%
Marco Van Basten 5 55.56%
They were both equally good since Marco wasn't that fast and Ronaldo couldn't head a beach ball 3 33.33%
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Old 28-03-2008, 17:09   #61
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Old 28-03-2008, 17:17   #62
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I've not seen MVB play neither, but all the facts, stats and everything related to football, favors Ronaldo.


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Old 28-03-2008, 17:51   #63
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As Ronaldo9 correctly said....(and FFS stop knocking him for his username ) It depends- to a large extent on the TYPE of fan you are....Many people get caught up in the overall package which includes intangibles such as work ethic, loyalty, determination and class. This is fine and perfectly allowable in the debate. However I'm pretty sure that Ronaldo's other qualities such as his philanthropistic nature, easygoing attitude etc would be deemed irrelevant....ah well

I understand that MVB had a better work ethic and was more professional than Ronaldo. That's true. But the correlation to what you would see on the pitch is nebulous. For instance, no amount of hard work on the pitch and training and practise is going to turn Gila into MVB..... nor would it turn Gattuso into Essien. You can say that Essien is a mercenary and the like. You can criticise his determination and professionalism.....but you CAN'T say that because Gattuso is a harder worker and will surely bleed for his club that he is a better PLAYER than Essien. He isn't. He isn't as strong, fast, skilled or versatile.

It's similar to the comparison. Only that MVB additionally had certain capabilities that ronaldo had not properly honned, such as aerial attacks and the discipline to follow the manager's strategy. However as a PLAYER, in the strictest sense of the word Ronaldo is better if only slightly.

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His phenomenal pace served him well in Holland and Brazil but didn't do that much for him in Italy. His skills gave him the edge for inter.
As for the claim that he isn't among the best finishers. I'd like to remind the detractors that post-injury Ronaldo is among the best finishers in the world and essentially acquired this role in his later years. He was sp proficient as a poacher that he won the golden boot in La liga in only his second season with Madrid. He is also one of the few to cross the 30 goal mark in a season in Spain and Italy.....a feat that hasn't been accomplished since his departure....thereby meaning that the likes of Trez, Sheva, Vieri, Inzaghi etc have yet to replicate. Also he was the creator of many goals just like MVB....for anyone who actually watched Real Madrid, you'd see that he was a good crosser and passer and sent in many direct assists for the others. Ronaldo's Italian record season of 34 goals in 47 matches also stands above Marco's 32 in 46.

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Old 28-03-2008, 17:55   #64
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this type of topic just makes me reminise on how good ronaldo was, and thinking maybe we should wait and bring him back and not another striker..... dammit we're playing into G&B's plans


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Old 28-03-2008, 17:58   #65
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I've seen both players playn' , they were both top class, dunno , maybe ronaldo was surounded by more hype then mvb , and ronaldo was playng in spain and mvb in italy, were defenses are much more ... let's say profesional, anyway, for me ronaldo stoped to exist the minute he moved to merda ,so mvb no 1 for me .
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Old 28-03-2008, 18:07   #66
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gaizka my man... are you takin' seriously someone who hasn't even seen van Basten play? if you go through the thread... of the few people like us (havin' seen both players)... only Wild is inchin' towards fat boy... while all of the rest are pretty clear that van Basten is superior...
I haven't seen him live, but I've seen a lot of footage from him and I think I have a pretty good idea what I'm talking about.

For me Ronaldo is a more *beautiful* player than Van Basten. The difference isn't very big, but that gives him the edge.


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Old 28-03-2008, 18:46   #67
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I've seen both players playn' , they were both top class, dunno , maybe ronaldo was surounded by more hype then mvb , and ronaldo was playng in spain and mvb in italy, were defenses are much more ... let's say profesional, anyway, for me ronaldo stoped to exist the minute he moved to merda ,so mvb no 1 for me .
I hope you feel the same way about Seedorf, Pirlo, Crespo, Meazza, and our Marquee player Brocchi
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Old 28-03-2008, 19:59   #68
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mam- there were rumors -before he joined merda- that he could come to milan, well , let's just say i was very disapointed , and yes , he is nobody for me even now, when he is on our payroll ( waste of money) ; sedorf and pirlo joined us when they still have something to say in football world wide, they didn't come here to have a warm and puffy retirment.
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Old 28-03-2008, 20:45   #69
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mam:

I find your comments ungrateful in view of his helping us get through last season. To cay that he came here on a retirement ticket is unfair. He could have made more money in the far east if he was done with his footballing ambitions. He wants the CL and will win it with us if he comes back
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mam - ok, let him win a ucl for us , and then we can talk , till then imo mvb is the best.
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Old 28-03-2008, 22:25   #72
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nice. hope its true.


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Old 28-03-2008, 23:52   #73
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mam - ok, let him win a ucl for us , and then we can talk , till then imo mvb is the best.
i bet mvb would like his world cups though


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Old 29-03-2008, 03:08   #74
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i bet mvb would like his world cups though
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Old 29-03-2008, 03:18   #75
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My vote goes to Il Fenomeno. Why? Before that injury against Lazio he was the best striker in the world and no one was even close to him. What he did and achieved deserves a lot of respect. If MvB played little longer maybe he'd be better but...
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i bet mvb would like his world cups though
yeah, like is very very very hard to become world champion when u're passport says u're from Brazil .
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Old 29-03-2008, 11:19   #77
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One only needs to watch Euro '88 to be convinced. After 6 months-or-so out with an injury, the 22-23 year old then AC Milan striker came in to score a hattrick (or brace) in a must win match against England.


I'll stress my point again. Ronaldo was a great striker. There's no doubting that. But to label him equal to Maradona and Pele is preposterous. Especially since you're ignoring the many brilliant players that are pretty high up there in the second tier of football greats.

Ronaldo will be remember for his World Cup performances. Especially in 2002, where he had a spectacular array of supporting cast (Rivaldo played the most important role IMO), and Brazil's only real difficult matches were against England and a German side that had their best player suspended (all due respect to the other opponents). But credit must be given where its due ... he is the all-time leading WC scorer, which is quite an achievement. But here's an interesting point ... I honestly do think that had Sheva been Brazilian, he would have easily been in Ronaldo's shoes ... and perhaps even scored more

As for France '98, no matter what is said, there was only one star in that tournament, and that was Zidane. A player who, IMO, was the best player of his generation. I wont go into a debate of player attributes, but I'm sure the majority of football fans will agree with me when I say he was simply head and shoulders above his peers ... and that includes the "beautiful" player himself. Fat is beautiful


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Old 29-03-2008, 12:48   #78
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As for France '98, no matter what is said, there was only one star in that tournament, and that was Zidane. A player who, IMO, was the best player of his generation. I wont go into a debate of player attributes, but I'm sure the majority of football fans will agree with me when I say he was simply head and shoulders above his peers ... and that includes the "beautiful" player himself. Fat is beautiful
Zidane was the star for scoring those two goals in the final?

He was sent off against Saudi in the second game and only showed up against Italy (goalless game) and Croatia (arse saved by Thuram) before that final!

I'm sorry, but with the exception of that final, Zidane did NOTHING! Zidane had a MUCH BETTER Euro 2000 but was shut out in that final. Quite Ironic.

Ronaldo actually helped Brazil get to the final! And if not for that mysterious seizure (wouldn't be surprised if the french did something just like the Argentineans did to the Brazilians in 1986) before the game he would have probably made a BIG difference.
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One only needs to watch Euro '88 to be convinced. After 6 months-or-so out with an injury, the 22-23 year old then AC Milan striker came in to score a hattrick (or brace) in a must win match against England.

I'll stress my point again. Ronaldo was a great striker. There's no doubting that. But to label him equal to Maradona and Pele is preposterous. Especially since you're ignoring the many brilliant players that are pretty high up there in the second tier of football greats.

Ronaldo will be remember for his World Cup performances. Especially in 2002, where he had a spectacular array of supporting cast (Rivaldo played the most important role IMO), and Brazil's only real difficult matches were against England and a German side that had their best player suspended (all due respect to the other opponents). But credit must be given where its due ... he is the all-time leading WC scorer, which is quite an achievement. But here's an interesting point ... I honestly do think that had Sheva been Brazilian, he would have easily been in Ronaldo's shoes ... and perhaps even scored more

As for France '98, no matter what is said, there was only one star in that tournament, and that was Zidane. A player who, IMO, was the best player of his generation. I wont go into a debate of player attributes, but I'm sure the majority of football fans will agree with me when I say he was simply head and shoulders above his peers ... and that includes the "beautiful" player himself. Fat is beautiful
[edited] Starting from the claim that Zidane was 'the star' of France 98 which not only is far from the truth as the poster above said, but its even more ridiculous if you downgrade Ronaldo's WC2002 performance at the same time; and all the way to the dumbest argument ever 'if Sheva was that, then he would this...' If you didn't know, Zidane himself said Ronaldo is the most talented player he's ever seen. Ronaldo was much more than just a WC striker and the years at Barca, Inter and Madrid prove that. I agree fully that Zidane is magic, thats why I put him in the top bracket of legends...but he was a midfielder and Ronaldo is a striker. Both beautiful as it gets in their category. I'm not the only one who thinks Ronaldo is in Pele and Maradona's class, look at football sites and forums, people everywhere are saying it.

Anyway, I said what I had to say - btw, I know its a team sport, but I thought we were comparing individual players here. [edited] If fat is beautiful, then you are thin.


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[edited] Because there was no doubt then that Ronaldo wasn't injury prone, and all blame was of course, Milan Lab's. And there was no possible way that Gilardino would eventually have a better season than Ronaldo (as shitty as that sounds) ... Yep, and as events have turned out, I couldn't possibly have been more correct, and you, well ... wrong.

In the same way, its not possible to think that Zidane is in fact the more complete footballer, and that Ronaldo did indeed have quite a talented bunch behind him in '02. And perhaps Brazil wouldn't be five time champs had it not been for ... Rivaldo. All this is preposterous nonsense ...

And I don't need to look around other websites to substantiate my opions ... I've seen and I've compared, and surprise, I've come up with an opinion of my own. MVB was probably the best forward ever ... was surely a better passer, team player, airier threat + poacher than Ronaldo. He wasn't your stereotypical fancy Brazilian dribbler, but he used intelligent routines at the right time ... and IMO proved more effective. I have no doubt whatsoever that he had the better 'football brain' as did Zidane, and no power, strength, or indeed fetish can make up for it.

PS. Of course I'm not beautiful you idiot


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