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Old 02-10-2017, 22:19   #541
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If you're going to play Bonucci you have to balance the team other ways, meaning better defenders around him and a strong defensive player or two in midfield covering spaces, tracking back, stopping counters, and a presence on set pieces.
Ah the P!rl0 argument.....Yeah all P!rl0 needed was a solid defense behind him, the midfield and attack to always run into space, and a personal bodyguard in midfield....and THEN HE'S OUT OF THIS FUCKING WORLD

If Bonucci actually needs all of this stuff to perform well for us (not saying that he does) then, he shouldn't even be a starting defender for us.

I say that he was a good defender even before he made it to JuBe and while in Juve, he excelled in Conte's 3-5-2....which is why Montella's straining to get the 3-5-2 right for now.

Bonucci needs to come into better form and mark better and balance would be restored to the force.
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Old 02-10-2017, 23:14   #542
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Its not a p!rl0 excuse, its a reality. If we need to drop Bonucci in order for the team to play better I'm all for it, but if they insist on playing him he needs protection.
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Old 02-10-2017, 23:19   #543
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Its not a p!rl0 excuse, its a reality. If we need to drop Bonucci in order for the team to play better I'm all for it, but if they insist on playing him he needs protection.
Protection from what? He's supposed to be the best defender on the team by far. He does not have any special needs.
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Old 02-10-2017, 23:32   #544
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Its not a p!rl0 excuse, its a reality. If we need to drop Bonucci in order for the team to play better I'm all for it, but if they insist on playing him he needs protection.
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Old 03-10-2017, 00:15   #545
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Protection from what? He's supposed to be the best defender on the team by far. He does not have any special needs.
Problem is that for Bonucci to excel, he needs to play with defenders who are much better than he is like Bonucci and Chiellini.
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Old 03-10-2017, 01:00   #546
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Problem is that for Bonucci to excel, he needs to play with defenders who are much better than he is like Bonucci and Chiellini.
Think you meant Barzagli
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Old 03-10-2017, 01:12   #547
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Problem is that for Bonucci to excel, he needs to play with defenders who are much better than he is like Bonucci and Chiellini.
If that is the case he is not as good as the hype and a fraud. Time will tell.
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Old 03-10-2017, 03:14   #548
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Think you meant Barzagli
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Old 03-10-2017, 03:16   #549
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If that is the case he is not as good as the hype and a fraud. Time will tell.
He isn't, at least in terms of defending. If we're talking about ball-playing skills, he's probably the best. From a pure defending perspective, definitely not. He can't tackle at all and will also get beaten in the air by a lot of big forwards.
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Old 03-10-2017, 03:24   #550
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Problem is that for Bonucci to excel, he needs to play with defenders who are much better than he is like Bonucci and Chiellini.
Exactly, and if our best team is with him on the bench then I say bench him. But if we want to persist with him and Biglia we need to put some better defenders/athletes near them.
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Old 03-10-2017, 12:22   #551
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Maybe we should try him in RCB
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Old 03-10-2017, 12:43   #552
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Time will tell, but i think he's gonna be considered a great buy at the end of the season.
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Old 09-10-2017, 22:47   #553
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Old 09-10-2017, 23:48   #554
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Ah the P!rl0 argument.....Yeah all P!rl0 needed was a solid defense behind him, the midfield and attack to always run into space, and a personal bodyguard in midfield....and THEN HE'S OUT OF THIS FUCKING WORLD

If Bonucci actually needs all of this stuff to perform well for us (not saying that he does) then, he shouldn't even be a starting defender for us.

I say that he was a good defender even before he made it to JuBe and while in Juve, he excelled in Conte's 3-5-2....which is why Montella's straining to get the 3-5-2 right for now.

Bonucci needs to come into better form and mark better and balance would be restored to the force.
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Old 10-10-2017, 09:06   #555
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Ah the P!rl0 argument.....Yeah all P!rl0 needed was a solid defense behind him, the midfield and attack to always run into space, and a personal bodyguard in midfield....and THEN HE'S OUT OF THIS FUCKING WORLD

If Bonucci actually needs all of this stuff to perform well for us (not saying that he does) then, he shouldn't even be a starting defender for us.

I say that he was a good defender even before he made it to JuBe and while in Juve, he excelled in Conte's 3-5-2....which is why Montella's straining to get the 3-5-2 right for now.

Bonucci needs to come into better form and mark better and balance would be restored to the force.
To be fair this is valid for almost any CM (not AM or wingers). If the CM has a reliable defence at his back, then he is free to distribute balls forward properly.

Otherwise he has more defending duties, this works in reverse well for the CB's as well. If the midfield keeps getting overrun on a constant basis, this will create way more opportunities for the CB'S to inevitably fuck up.

My 2 cent are: the first 11 is good enough in terms of individual quality, its the group play that's absolutely shite.


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Old 10-10-2017, 09:46   #556
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@Leaf - Jerome Boateng, Chiellini and Barzagli haven't made it. Might be clerical errors.


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Old 10-10-2017, 11:46   #557
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Ash what is the reason for it?

Fraud cant do nothing i thought
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Old 10-10-2017, 20:12   #558
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ppl still trust the Ballon d'Or?

'memba when they gave it to Messi in 2010 after he went through the entire World Cup without scoring a single goal? 'memba when they ignored Sneijder and Ribery


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Hummels, Bonucci and Ramos (the only CB's on the list)....apparently are the best defenders in the World

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To be fair this is valid for almost any CM (not AM or wingers). If the CM has a reliable defence at his back, then he is free to distribute balls forward properly.

Otherwise he has more defending duties, this works in reverse well for the CB's as well. If the midfield keeps getting overrun on a constant basis, this will create way more opportunities for the CB'S to inevitably fuck up.

My 2 cent are: the first 11 is good enough in terms of individual quality, its the group play that's absolutely shite.
Agreed....but again, you'd expect such an "elite" defender to at least be able to win enough 1 on 1 battles to justify the elite tag. Thus far he's gotten beaten up fairly easily and alarmingly often for an "elite" defender. I think it all boild down to form atm....but there is the worrying alternative explanation that Juve's quality team hid his deficiencies.

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Old 10-10-2017, 21:07   #559
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ramos is the best defender in the world, no doubt about it.
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Old 11-10-2017, 04:34   #560
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I like my defenders on the pitch
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