Italian Football Thread III

Mr Delicious · Jan 21, 2016

KujaIX said:
People seem to think that Juventus coming within 7 or so games of an unbeaten title season and then losing to their title rivals wouldn't have mentally crushed them.

We were ahead at that point and would have gone further ahead with a win. The ghost goal ruined our morale and helped theirs, while it would have ruined theirs and helped ours if Muntari's goal was given.

Youre overemphasizing its effects. Regardless its all speculation. Lots of factors went into us losing that title

Congo Powers · Jan 21, 2016

ok puberty

Soldier_of_god · Jan 21, 2016

Mr Delicious said:
Youre overemphasizing its effects. Regardless its all speculation. Lots of factors went into us losing that title

Dude cmon. Not this debate again. We were robbed that year.

Mr Delicious · Jan 21, 2016

milan_swagger said:
Dude cmon. Not this debate again. We were robbed that year.

The Muntari ghost goal wasnt the only reason we lost the title. Injuries and poor tactics contributed. Kuja assumed juves season would have been fucked. Football is unpredictable, Conte is a great motivator. Who fucking knows what would have happened if the goal counted. Thats my point.

Jasper · Jan 21, 2016

Mr Delicious said:
The Muntari ghost goal wasnt the only reason we lost the title. Injuries and poor tactics contributed. Kuja assumed juves season would have been fucked. Football is unpredictable, Conte is a great motivator. Who fucking knows what would have happened if the goal counted. Thats my point.

here ya go

KujaIX · Jan 21, 2016

It's completely reasonable to assume that Juventus would have crumbled, having not won the title since 2003 and losing to their only title rivals to end their ~30 game unbeaten run.

Football is unpredictable, sure, but that one event fired up Juve and fucked up our morale. Simple. We would have beaten Juve, ended their unbeaten run and gone further ahead in the title race. Instead, we were hugely wronged and didn't go further ahead.

I don't care if I'm beating a dead horse. People that understate the effect of the atrocious decision are just laughable.

Curupira · Jan 21, 2016

KujaIX said:
It's completely reasonable to assume that Juventus would have crumbled, having not won the title since 2003 and losing to their only title rivals to end their ~30 game unbeaten run.

Football is unpredictable, sure, but that one event fired up Juve and fucked up our morale. Simple. We would have beaten Juve, ended their unbeaten run and gone further ahead in the title race. Instead, we were hugely wronged and didn't go further ahead.

I don't care if I'm beating a dead horse. People that understate the effect of the atrocious decision are just laughable.

There is understating, and then there is understanding that the decision had some bearing on the Scudetto.

Then there's overstating.

Mr Delicious · Jan 21, 2016

Curupira said:
There is understating, and then there is understanding that the decision had some bearing on the Scudetto.

Then there's overstating.

Very well said.

joyrider · Jan 21, 2016

milan_swagger said:
Dude cmon. Not this debate again. We were robbed that year.

definetly got robbed

many arbitery errrors

justhope · Jan 21, 2016

didnt they also had a valid goal canceled in that game?

KujaIX · Jan 21, 2016

They had a valid goal cancelled in like the 70th minute.

We would have already been 2-0 up. The whole thing would have gone differently.

Goodfella · Jan 21, 2016

justhope said:
didnt they also had a valid goal canceled in that game?

Yes, Matri's.

We didn't win the Scudetto that year because we couldn't beat a single team who were remotely good at defending. Perhaps we would've, if important players like KPB, Aqua, TS and MVB weren't injured/unavailable all the time and we didn't have false midfielders(Noce) starting every game. Instead we were a predictable Ibra+10 side who would be easily shut down and beaten on the counters and set pieces by any above average side who were willing to park the bus(Arsenal and Enrique's Roma are among the few who weren't).

That gol di Muntari Juve game was an anomaly, since Ibra was suspended, but I'm not sure we would've won even if we had gone 2 goals up. We started out strongly, but quickly tired out and Juve took over the game completely when Conte switched to 4-3-3. We don't know how the game would've ended if the Muntari goal was allowed. I don't think it was decisive since we kept losing big games and Ibra always has a post-CL elimination depression where he drags the whole team down with him(but he was also the reason we were in the title race for so long).

Can't blame Allegri though(except maybe for the injuries). A flat-track bully side was the best we could wish for, with all those injuries. He got the big game results in 10/11 season and with Juve. It's a whole lot easier when there's some continuity and quality in more than just one part of the team.

Mr Delicious · Jan 21, 2016

Goodfella said:
Yes, Matri's.

We didn't win the Scudetto that year because we couldn't beat a single team who were remotely good at defending. Perhaps we would've, if important players like KPB, Aqua, TS and MVB weren't injured/unavailable all the time and we didn't have false midfielders(Noce) starting every game. Instead we were a predictable Ibra+10 side who would be easily shut down and beaten on the counters and set pieces by any above average side who were willing to park the bus(Arsenal and Enrique's Roma are among the few who weren't).

That gol di Muntari Juve game was an anomaly, since Ibra was suspended, but I'm not sure we would've won even if we had gone 2 goals up. We started out strongly, but quickly tired out and Juve took over the game completely when Conte switched to 4-3-3. We don't know how the game would've ended if the Muntari goal was allowed. I don't think it was decisive since we kept losing big games and Ibra always has a post-CL elimination depression where he drags the whole team down with him(but he was also the reason we were in the title race for so long).

Can't blame Allegri though(except maybe for the injuries). A flat-track bully side was the best we could wish for, with all those injuries. He got the big game results in 10/11 season and with Juve. It's a whole lot easier when there's some continuity and quality in more than just one part of the team.

Wow

Quality post :thumbsup:

Curupira · Jan 21, 2016

Losing to Fiorentina at home? Drawing with Bologna at home?

:fp:

KujaIX · Jan 21, 2016

Weren't both of those results after the Juventus game?

Wasn't there another ghost goal in the Bologna game?

Mr. Milanista · Jan 21, 2016

Goodfella said:
Yes, Matri's.

We didn't win the Scudetto that year because we couldn't beat a single team who were remotely good at defending.

I don't see the logic behind this since we had more wins than Juve that season. :lol:

Referees were the main reason we lost that season, we were clearly the best team since we had the most wins.

But the referees that season was hilarious, something I haven't witnessed til this day nor do I think will ever witness again

Goodfella · Jan 21, 2016

Mr. Milanista said:
I don't see the logic behind this since we had more wins than Juve that season.

Don't worry. I didn't expect you to understand.

Mr. Milanista · Jan 21, 2016

Sorry, it just sounds so dumb. Well, it is too...

Goodfella · Jan 21, 2016

Before gol di Muntari

After gol di Muntari

Looks pretty similar. We had no problem dealing with the small teams and bootleg-Barca(Roma), but struggled badly against top teams and the best provincial team(Bologna). The Catania away game was between the CL 1/8 games against Barca.

You can add Udinese to the big game exceptions since Ibra also missed that one.

Polotelli · Jan 21, 2016

we lost it because of Allegri

Jasper · Jan 21, 2016

Goodfella said:
[The Catania away game was between the CL 1/8 games against Barca.

Another robbery.

Qaas · Jan 21, 2016

I am with kuja on this

Dottore Joey · Jan 21, 2016

That's a season i want to forget, but still miss that team dearly, because you know... Our current state.

Goodfella · Jan 21, 2016

Jasper said:
Another robbery.

It didn't look like the whole ball was in. Catania's Gomez on the other hand scored a goal that was ruled offside, but he looked onside on the replays.

Fiorentina away. There's a game where we were robbed(still a shit performance though).

Jasper · Jan 21, 2016

Goodfella said:
It didn't look like the whole ball was in. Catania's Gomez on the other hand scored a goal that was ruled offside, but he looked onside on the replays.

The guy who passed Gomez was offside tho. And we had 2 offside decisions go against us that were like 3 meters or sth. Really out of the usual tight spot decisions where anyone could guess wrong.

Or was all that vs Fiorentina?

Goodfella · Jan 22, 2016

Jasper said:
The guy who passed Gomez was offside tho. And we had 2 offside decisions go against us that were like 3 meters or sth. Really out of the usual tight spot decisions where anyone could guess wrong.

Or was all that vs Fiorentina?

Yeah, you're right, Bergessio looked offside.

I remember wrong offside calls at home against Bologna. I think that's the game you're mixing it up with

The Fiorentina away game was much earlier in the season and Seedorf's disallowed goal is the one thing that was talked about after the game.

Mr Delicious · Jan 22, 2016

When youre not busy being a jackass you actually make a pretty decent conversationalist

Goodfella · Jan 22, 2016

^Please ban.....

Mr Delicious · Jan 22, 2016

Goodfella said:
^Please ban.....

lmao. Like star crossed lovers

Jasper · Jan 22, 2016

Goodfella said:
Yeah, you're right, Bergessio looked offside.

I remember wrong offside calls at home against Bologna. I think that's the game you're mixing it up with

It was an away game. One time our attacker was on our own side ffs.

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