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View Poll Results: Who will be the winner of Golden Ball this Year ?
Kaka' 28 40.58%
Andrea Pirlo 3 4.35%
Leo Messi 12 17.39%
Zlatan Ibrahimovic 0 0%
Francesco Totti 1 1.45%
Ronaldinho 3 4.35%
Luca Toni 1 1.45%
Frank Ribery 0 0%
Riquelme 0 0%
Francesc Fabregas 1 1.45%
Gigi Buffon 0 0%
Cristiano Ronaldo 9 13.04%
Didier Drogba 0 0%
Steven Gerard 0 0%
Genaro Gattuso 2 2.90%
Wayne Rooney 0 0%
Paul Scholes 2 2.90%
Ruud van Nistelrooy 0 0%
David Villa 1 1.45%
Paolo Maldini 2 2.90%
Deco 0 0%
Thierry Henry 0 0%
Diego 0 0%
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Old 03-12-2008, 18:49   #81
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So would I. Love him or hate him, some of the things he does are amazing. I always think he is a rich mans Berbatov. (in other words, very similar only better in every department and a lot more pace)

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Actually there has been a lot of talk about him replacing Scholes when he retires.
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So would I. Love him or hate him, some of the things he does are amazing. I always think he is a rich mans Berbatov. (in other words, very similar only better in every department and a lot more pace)


Actually there has been a lot of talk about him replacing Scholes when he retires.
f**k no you guys already f**ked over Alan Smith after the guy sweat blood in any shit position Fergie put him.....Leave Rooney alone! He mightn't (ever ) win the golden ball but he is still a damn good striker!
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f**k no you guys already f**ked over Alan Smith after the guy sweat blood in any shit position Fergie put him.....Leave Rooney alone! He mightn't (ever ) win the golden ball but he is still a damn good striker!
Lol to be fair that was forced due to injuries. Smith was a bit of a shocker at CM, except vs Chelsea when he beat them single handedly http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=FglHqd8pBUw
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I don't find that funny at all. Smith worked his ass off for United. His "injuries" really weren't because he was injury prone...but he broke his foot (if I remember correctly). Fergie used him and spit him out...just like he did with many other players.....the sad thing about it was that Smith loved United...He wasn't a bad striker either...just needed a bit of tweaking.

Manutd will never be as classy as Milan. People can shit on Carlo as much as they want but he is a real gentleman and is as classy as they come.
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Manutd will never be as classy as Milan. People can shit on Carlo as much as they want but he is a real gentleman and is as classy as they come.
roger that

when you add fergie or manu in the sentence carlo seems like a angel for me.
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You always have to respect Fergie for his tremendous achievements as a manager. The man is a total legend as a manager but I've often found him lacking as a person....it would be interesting what he would say in his defense after everybody was shitting on Wenger for not having more Englishmen in his team when his team eventually has 3 or less
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You always have to respect Fergie for his tremendous achievements as a manager. The man is a total legend as a manager but I've often found him lacking as a person....it would be interesting what he would say in his defense after everybody was shitting on Wenger for not having more Englishmen in his team when his team eventually has 3 or less
Without meaning to sound to aggresive - that his rubbish. If you knew and followed Fergie as a person you'd find a new found respect for him. The things he does for charity are amazing.

There is a massive misconception of him as a person. The manager you see on the touchline every week is completely different to Alex Fergsuon the person.

Thats why he is loved by ALL the other managers for his humility and the way he helps other managers. (bar wenger) All former legends i.e Sir Bobby Robson love him aswell for the things Fergie does for them.

Managers like Lippi also really get on with him for this reason.

Every week there is some sought of show/meal/auction/whatever for people who need help. He personally goes out of his way in his free time to visit hospices for children who's lives are about to be cut short.

He is ruthless for players that don't deserve 100%. Yorke with his partying ways - Becks putting his moddeling over football, RVN walking out ect. But he is loved by all other players. You only need to listen to what Yorke says about him (had a big interview on MUTV the other day)

He is contantly helping managers in lower divisions and sticking up for them. He is always writing hand written letter of congratulations to managers (last season to Redknapp for winning the FA Cup - despite the way in which the nocked us out) and he did the same to Rafa after Liverpool won the CL and Ancelotti after Milan won the CL in 2007.

Fergies reputation for being a fiery scott goes before him. He has tons of class and you'll realise this once you watch/listen/read about him as a person.
Like I said before the Fergie you see on the touchline every week is nothing like the real Fergie.
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fergeson is a loyal man. u stay loyal to him and manutd, he'll do anything for you... you cross him he'll cut you off.

btw manutd fan can you explain his deal w/ no interviews w/ bbc. I know it involves his son, but i dont know whole story


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fergeson is a loyal man. u stay loyal to him and manutd, he'll do anything for you... you cross him he'll cut you off.

btw manutd fan can you explain his deal w/ no interviews w/ bbc. I know it involves his son, but i dont know whole story
Yeah they did a program saying that his son and brother, who are agents - broke the rules and were involved in dodgy dealings.

Then an investigation went underway and they were found innocent, but the bbc refused to apoligised, so Fergie swore to never appear on there program again, except to give sir Bobby Robson a lfetime achievment award which he did out of respect.

Redkhnapp and Allardyce all had similar things happen, albeit not as bad so they boycotted the BBC for a while aswell.
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Without meaning to sound to aggresive - that his rubbish. If you knew and followed Fergie as a person you'd find a new found respect for him. The things he does for charity are amazing.

There is a massive misconception of him as a person. The manager you see on the touchline every week is completely different to Alex Fergsuon the person.

Thats why he is loved by ALL the other managers for his humility and the way he helps other managers. (bar wenger) All former legends i.e Sir Bobby Robson love him aswell for the things Fergie does for them.

Managers like Lippi also really get on with him for this reason.

Every week there is some sought of show/meal/auction/whatever for people who need help. He personally goes out of his way in his free time to visit hospices for children who's lives are about to be cut short.

He is ruthless for players that don't deserve 100%. Yorke with his partying ways - Becks putting his moddeling over football, RVN walking out ect. But he is loved by all other players. You only need to listen to what Yorke says about him (had a big interview on MUTV the other day)

He is contantly helping managers in lower divisions and sticking up for them. He is always writing hand written letter of congratulations to managers (last season to Redknapp for winning the FA Cup - despite the way in which the nocked us out) and he did the same to Rafa after Liverpool won the CL and Ancelotti after Milan won the CL in 2007.

Fergies reputation for being a fiery scott goes before him. He has tons of class and you'll realise this once you watch/listen/read about him as a person.
Like I said before the Fergie you see on the touchline every week is nothing like the real Fergie.
point(s) well taken.... however I think he could have done better with the aforementioned had he been more patient.

Becks, Stam, RVN and Forlan all went on to achieve gret things elsewhere and Yorke has been inspirational for Trinidad and Tobago. I guess there's a fine line between patience and stupidity and both Carlo and Fergie have crossed it on many occasions.

I maintain that loyalty is not one of Fergie's strengths. Stam, Bosnic, Keane, Yorke, Becks, Smith, RVN and Forlan might all agree though it must be said that he laboured extensively with Forlan prior to selling him.....but the thing is....he sells him when he finally starts scoring. The only player I've seen him keep the faith with was Ole.

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point(s) well taken.... however I think he could have done better with the aforementioned had he been more patient.

Becks, Stam, RVN and Forlan all went on to achieve gret things elsewhere and Yorke has been inspirational for Trinidad and Tobago. I guess there's a fine line between patience and stupidity and both Carlo and Fergie have crossed it on many occasions.

I maintain that loyalty is not one of Fergie's strengths. Stam, Bosnic, Keane, Yorke, Becks, Smith, RVN and Forlan might all agree though it must be said that he laboured extensively with Forlan prior to selling him.....but the thing is....he sells him when he finally starts scoring. The only player I've seen him keep the faith with was Ole.
Cantona (whole country wanted him gone - bar Utd fans)
Rio Ferdinand (at a time when he was just good, not great and had his suspension)
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Smith (let him back in the side but Smith wanted to go)
Keane he was aswell, its just enough was enough.

Becs and Fergie had a massive row over Victoria. Fergie thought she was leading him into being a celebraty instead of a footballer)

Your right about the Stam one though. Fergie has publically apoligised for this though and Stam is now a Manutd scout in Brazil.

btw, I'm suprised by how much you know about us in terms of players. I suppose having a Trinidad legend like Yorke in your history helps
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Cantona (whole country wanted him gone - bar Utd fans)
Cantona= fantastic player people's opinion had nothing to do with it.
When CR7 tricked Rooney into getting sent off not only England but the ManU fans wanted him gone...Fergie didn't budge there either
[QUOTE=manutd fan]Rio Ferdinand (at a time when he was just good, not great and had his suspension)[QUOTE=manutd fan]Be serious Fergie wouldn't have EVER let his MOST expensive defender EVER go....that would be an embarrassment to him....especially since everybody and their dog knew Ferdinand was innocent and was just the victim of PURE spite
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you call THAT loyalty ? How about Fergie using Smith for his little experiments, failing at them and then kicking Smith out?
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Keane he was aswell, its just enough was enough.
lolzzz I'd like to hear Roy's views on the matter

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Becs and Fergie had a massive row over Victoria. Fergie thought she was leading him into being a celebraty instead of a footballer)
Yeah I'm glad that his spiting of Becks came back to bite him in the ass....you could have done MUCH better than bend over and let Real rape you the way they did.

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Hey I was the only Manutd fan who celebrated when he bought Yorke (incidentally I became a ManUtd fan after Yorkie signed ).....the Rest of you thought that Fergie's senility caught up with him for not signing Batigol....but in reality it was a good move because Fergie had not yet learned to harness South American talents (*cough*cough*Kleberson & Forlan*cough*cough)
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Deserved, at least that's how I felt, me not being his biggest fan, but credit were it's due. The other places can get some questioning, but the truth is, after the winner no one cares about those spots unless is a player you really like, so not worth commenting.


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Cantona= fantastic player people's opinion had nothing to do with it.
When CR7 tricked Rooney into getting sent off not only England but the ManU fans wanted him gone...Fergie didn't budge there either
Manutd fans didn't want him gone. Check his reception in the first game of the season. Although a lot are English, Manutd fans still hate England at the same time for the way the media and fans have treated our players,

[QUOTE=manutd fan]Rio Ferdinand (at a time when he was just good, not great and had his suspension)[QUOTE=manutd fan]Be serious Fergie wouldn't have EVER let his MOST expensive defender EVER go....that would be an embarrassment to him....especially since everybody and their dog knew Ferdinand was innocent and was just the victim of PURE spite
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lolzzz I'd like to hear Roy's views on the matter
But Fergie never intended to fail Smith at CM. He had the right characteristics to play there - plus we had Scholes and Keane out for the season.

After he came back from his injury he went back to striker though and did quite well nd Fergie was singing his praises saying he gave us a lift and pushed us over the line when we were dead in the water physically. Smith asked to leave, thats different from Fergie getting rid of him.

Keane was constantly making enemies in the dressing room. Mainly with the foreign players but Fergie always stuck by him and defended him. But eventually enough was enough. Most managers would have kicked Keane out years before he finally left.

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Yeah I'm glad that his spiting of Becks came back to bite him in the ass....you could have done MUCH better than bend over and let Real rape you the way they did.
Becks deserved what he got. He put fame before football and his form suffered greatly. Only when he was dropped did he get back to his old form.

Also if we had kept Becks we wouldn't have got Ronaldo (or gone for Ronaldinho (fuck peter kenyon for ruining that one the wanker and Robben - again due to the traitor Kenyon who was secretly working for Chelsea )

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Hey I was the only Manutd fan who celebrated when he bought Yorke (incidentally I became a ManUtd fan after Yorkie signed ).....the Rest of you thought that Fergie's senility caught up with him for not signing Batigol....but in reality it was a good move because Fergie had not yet learned to harness South American talents (*cough*cough*Kleberson & Forlan*cough*cough)
Yorke was great and one of the best buys we ever did. Infact the scout who saw him said Yorke was his best ever find. I miss that smile

Kleberson...lets not go there lol.

edit: woah we've strolled way off topic here lol. sorry.
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Also if we had kept Becks we wouldn't have got Ronaldo (or gone for Ronaldinho (fuck peter kenyon for ruining that one the wanker and Robben - again due to the traitor Kenyon who was secretly working for Chelsea )



Yorke was great and one of the best buys we ever did. Infact the scout who saw him said Yorke was his best ever find. I miss that smile
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Kenyon pulled the deal?? I always thought Fergie said something like "the player wasn't comitted enough" or something of the sort....yes Kenyon is a TOTAL bitch if that's the case. Thanks for the nice words on Yorke

Back on topic....I think I'm becoming a CR7 fan by default. The guy is a victim of WAY too much hate.....THAT in itself is actually an indicator of how well he plays.

Think about it....they call him a big game choker....to me the ONLY game he didn't really impress was vs Barca....and despite Messi "doing well" there was no end product....when CR7 does well and there is no end produce there is fire and brimstone for him....but people can still be decent towards messi even when he does the same....it's double standards....fuelled by hate and jealousy. The ONLY player I rate above CR7 is R80/ Kaka....and that's when the're on form. He isn't as talented as Messi for sure but the kid plays his heart out and it's high time he gets the respect he deserves. He works his ass off everywhere....just look at his body and compare it to Kaka's and Messi's.....you'd have no trouble guessing who was doing more training...even Tevez and Rooney have always retained the same body shape ever since they were teenagers.

If Berlu truly wants him I'm all for him wearing red anc black....FFS the guy SCORES in the CL final and people only talk about the missed penalty Only Ronaldo and Ronaldinho ever got that kind of hate....i.e. people still shit on you even though you scored....and THAT is a TESTAMENT to his greatness......player-wise the kid has NO flaws....maybe his passing could be a bit better...but even Messi and Kaka- though marginally more talented have BIG game flaws......I really hope to see Nani get as good as cristiano.....Nani has bags of talent too though I think someone has to develop him to be a striker because Portugal will never win anything without a proper striker.
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Kenyon pulled the deal?? I always thought Fergie said something like "the player wasn't comitted enough" or something of the sort....yes Kenyon is a TOTAL bitch if that's the case. Thanks for the nice words on Yorke

Back on topic....I think I'm becoming a CR7 fan by default. The guy is a victim of WAY too much hate.....THAT in itself is actually an indicator of how well he plays.

Think about it....they call him a big game choker....to me the ONLY game he didn't really impress was vs Barca....and despite Messi "doing well" there was no end product....when CR7 does well and there is no end produce there is fire and brimstone for him....but people can still be decent towards messi even when he does the same....it's double standards....fuelled by hate and jealousy. The ONLY player I rate above CR7 is R80/ Kaka....and that's when the're on form. He isn't as talented as Messi for sure but the kid plays his heart out and it's high time he gets the respect he deserves. He works his ass off everywhere....just look at his body and compare it to Kaka's and Messi's.....you'd have no trouble guessing who was doing more training...even Tevez and Rooney have always retained the same body shape ever since they were teenagers.

If Berlu truly wants him I'm all for him wearing red anc black....FFS the guy SCORES in the CL final and people only talk about the missed penalty Only Ronaldo and Ronaldinho ever got that kind of hate....i.e. people still shit on you even though you scored....and THAT is a TESTAMENT to his greatness......player-wise the kid has NO flaws....maybe his passing could be a bit better...but even Messi and Kaka- though marginally more talented have BIG game flaws......I really hope to see Nani get as good as cristiano.....Nani has bags of talent too though I think someone has to develop him to be a striker because Portugal will never win anything without a proper striker.
Yeah, We agreed a fee with PSG for Ronaldinhi and everything was set, then when we had to fax the actual offer to them we said 12M - not 19M like was agreed between the clubs.

Also he stalled the Robben deal until he went to Chelsea.

That Summer Kenyon left for Chelsea and tried to get Ronaldinho - aswell as taking all of Manutd's targets (duff, Robben, Essien ect,)

But for me Ronaldo has the 'x factor' more than anybody else playing the game. When he's on the ball you sit up as you know something's gonna happen like a peice of skill, great tackle or a bad foul.

He also has the hatability factor. There's never a dull moment with him and he's produced more entertainment this last season than anyone else IMO whether it be a great goal or a dramatic penalty miss.

I think Messi's season last year was very overated aswell. A couple of great goals - one amazing goal and suddenly people are saying he was the best, despite the fact he was injured for large parts of it.

He was also nothing spepcial in the semi's last year of the CL - which is one of Ronaldo's main criticism.

Ronaldo is damned if he does and damned if he don't. If he celebrates he's called arrogant, if he doesn't he's called moody. He does dive but he also gets more kicks than anyone else. After every match his ankles are like baloons - literally.

In my mind he was the only real candidate for it last seson. Torres and Cassillas were a distant 2nd and 3rd IMO, though obviously I'm biased.
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But for me Ronaldo has the 'x factor' more than anybody else playing the game. When he's on the ball you sit up as you know something's gonna happen like a peice of skill, great tackle or a bad foul.

He also has the hatability factor. There's never a dull moment with him and he's produced more entertainment this last season than anyone else IMO whether it be a great goal or a dramatic penalty miss.

I think Messi's season last year was very overated aswell. A couple of great goals - one amazing goal and suddenly people are saying he was the best, despite the fact he was injured for large parts of it.

He was also nothing spepcial in the semi's last year of the CL - which is one of Ronaldo's main criticism.

Ronaldo is damned if he does and damned if he don't. If he celebrates he's called arrogant, if he doesn't he's called moody. He does dive but he also gets more kicks than anyone else. After every match his ankles are like baloons - literally.

In my mind he was the only real candidate for it last seson. Torres and Cassillas were a distant 2nd and 3rd IMO, though obviously I'm biased.
I haven't posted here in a while but I just had to leave my two cents concerning this matter. manutd_fan, if there's ANYONE in the world with this x_factor then it's Lionel Messi. He's literally unplayable and if you want to talk about entertainment, Messi provides boatloads of it every match (unless entertainment for you = stepovers and pretty flicks). IMO He's the best at dribbling in the world and look a what he's done so far this season now that he's stayed fairly injury free. Also don't even pretend that Messi doesn't get hacked every game...there are at least 3 players on Messi every match just look at the Sevilla game last weekend. Yet he still managed to produce 2 goals.

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Back on topic....I think I'm becoming a CR7 fan by default. The guy is a victim of WAY too much hate.....THAT in itself is actually an indicator of how well he plays.

Think about it....they call him a big game choker....to me the ONLY game he didn't really impress was vs Barca....and despite Messi "doing well" there was no end product....when CR7 does well and there is no end produce there is fire and brimstone for him....but people can still be decent towards messi even when he does the same....it's double standards....fuelled by hate and jealousy. The ONLY player I rate above CR7 is R80/ Kaka....and that's when the're on form. He isn't as talented as Messi for sure but the kid plays his heart out and it's high time he gets the respect he deserves. He works his ass off everywhere....just look at his body and compare it to Kaka's and Messi's.....you'd have no trouble guessing who was doing more training...even Tevez and Rooney have always retained the same body shape ever since they were teenagers.

If Berlu truly wants him I'm all for him wearing red anc black....FFS the guy SCORES in the CL final and people only talk about the missed penalty Only Ronaldo and Ronaldinho ever got that kind of hate....i.e. people still shit on you even though you scored....and THAT is a TESTAMENT to his greatness......player-wise the kid has NO flaws....maybe his passing could be a bit better...but even Messi and Kaka- though marginally more talented have BIG game flaws......I really hope to see Nani get as good as cristiano.....Nani has bags of talent too though I think someone has to develop him to be a striker because Portugal will never win anything without a proper striker.
Dru: The difference between C. Ronaldo and Messi is that Cristiano can actually go MISSING for nearly an entire game, pop in with a goal and he's a hero. He had a great goalscoring tally last season, but goals don't always = good performances and Cristiano doesn't provide the WOW performances that Messi provides which is why I personally rate Messi above him. Messi's game may be incomplete but if he's unplayable as is then why should that concern him? And take a look at Messi's stats so far now that he's avoided injury...that's all I have to say about his end product.
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I haven't posted here in a while but I just had to leave my two cents concerning this matter. manutd_fan, if there's ANYONE in the world with this x_factor then it's Lionel Messi. He's literally unplayable and if you want to talk about entertainment, Messi provides boatloads of it every match (unless entertainment for you = stepovers and pretty flicks). IMO He's the best at dribbling in the world and look a what he's done so far this season now that he's stayed fairly injury free. Also don't even pretend that Messi doesn't get hacked every game...there are at least 3 players on Messi every match just look at the Sevilla game last weekend. Yet he still managed to produce 2 goals.
I see what you mean, but what I mean by X Factor is that Ronaldo is much more of a character for lack of a better phrase. Poeple look at Messi and think "God he's awesome, how did he do that", but Ronaldo puts many more thoughts in peoples minds. Either when he gets on fans nerves, dives, get taken out, does a peice of skill, makes a mistake, ect.

I think he is more of a performer than Messi in that people watch games just to see him fail.

I do agree though that Messi is more talented, but last year IMO Ronaldo was the better player overall.


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Dru: The difference between C. Ronaldo and Messi is that Cristiano can actually go MISSING for nearly an entire game, pop in with a goal and he's a hero. He had a great goalscoring tally last season, but goals don't always = good performances and Cristiano doesn't provide the WOW performances that Messi provides which is why I personally rate Messi above him. Messi's game may be incomplete but if he's unplayable as is then why should that concern him? And take a look at Messi's stats so far now that he's avoided injury...that's all I have to say about his end product.
Thats actually true. I've said before that Ronaldo's peformances are/were nothing compared to his in 2006/2007 where he blew everybody away up until his injury vs Everton which effectively ended his season.

But you can't look beyond the amount of goals he scored last year IMO.
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I do agree though that Messi is more talented, but last year IMO Ronaldo was the better player overall.
^^ Last year Messi was injured for a fair amount of the season though so there isn't much to compare to. I'm not taking this Ballon D'or from C. Ronaldo...he definitely deserves it. I'm just saying in general, for the reasons posted above, that I believe Messi is a better player.
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The thing I like about CR7 is that there is no limit of ways he can get to you....he isn't as good at taking on the defense the way Kaka and Messi can...and ofr all his talents he may disappear in a big game or two...but the guy has it all
free kicks, dribbling, tricks, flicks, corners, headders, long range shots, good finishing etc etc....Messi and Kaka don't have such a wide assortment of weapons at their display.

You HAVE to respect the amount of work that CR7 put into getting there.

Mystick...what difference does it make if CR7 goes missing all game or if Messi for all his brilliance can't come up with a tangible contribution? It's the same. We all fail to see how much non-footballing reasons factor into our underrating of him.

CR7 would have never gotten the praise messi got for the goal vs zaragosa....especially given the fact that his side lost the tie afterwards.....what we would have heard from the instant he scored it is that he could only score vs small sides.....but messi scores it and people compare him to Maradonna.

Talent isn't all. And often, as Crespo said talent alone doesn't make you. Denilson was a FAR more talented dribbler than either of Ronaldo OR Maradonna.....but he never worked on his shooting and crossing and never made their LEVEL.....My OWN hero Ronaldo wasn't as good a dribbler as was Maradonna but I'll take Ronaldo at his peak over Maradonna because Ronaldo generally came up with an end product and wrestled and worked against all odds to achieve what he did.
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