Official Combat Sports (MMA, Boxing, Kickboxing) Thread

Sage · Jul 24, 2017

jones is the GOAT

I'm saying he would beat lesnar in a decision, you're saying he would smash him

he couldn't finish smaller men than him = OSP/glover

lesnar has 50 pounds on him, and not roy nelson 50 pounds.

unless you think if glover and OSP moved to HW they could beat lesnar? because hell no :lol:

my point in the first post was that, if lesnar somehow managed to lay and pray on him due to size factor, it would be his only chance of winning, I also mentioned that jones is far more skilled than him in all aspects apart from wrestling.

obviously my favorite in that fight would be jones.

MilanMB · Jul 24, 2017

good, cleared things up

but

1: Jones would bulk up, very important
2: OSP/Glover are much better fighters than Brock and can defend themselves. Especially the brazilian. Brock panics when punched, that's why i think someone with a good stand up and take down defense would smash him. Jones won the wrestling vs fucking DC. And his striking is the most creative out there.

I stand by what I said, if Jones and Brock met, it would end in KO or the more probable TKO.

Sage · Jul 24, 2017

I don't know how much he can clean bulk in a short amount of time since the rumor is that they want it for early 2018.

Glover being more skilled than brock I agree with, OSP i strongly disagree with. I don't rate OSP at all, that was probably jones worst performance of his career...oh and it was the fight where he came in with more muscle mass.

I still think lesnar beats them both, OSP would be easy work.

if brock can't succeed with his game plan (lay and pray) I can see jones finishing him by tko in the 4th round.

MilanMB · Jul 24, 2017

you overrate Brock a lot.

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There's a rumor about this?? Seriously? :lol:

will never (say never) happen.

Jones' gonna win the LW belt back soon, Brock will not step in an octagon again.

Sage · Jul 24, 2017

UFC 214 picks

DC vs Jones

T-wood vs Maia

Cyborg vs Evinger

Lawler vs Cerrone

Manuwa vs Oezdemir

Lamas vs Knight

Sterling vs Barao

MilanMB · Jul 24, 2017

UFC 214 picks

DC vs Jones - god i hope i'm wrong here

T-wood vs Maia - gonna take a chance here, Maia by KO... j/k submission

Cyborg vs Evinger - .

Lawler vs Cerrone - KO

Sage · Jul 24, 2017

only 4 picks? casual

Mexes5 · Jul 24, 2017

My tickets came today, I'm so excited for Jones/DC! it's a great overall card too

Milaniscool · Jul 25, 2017

Jones over the world. DC is not a bad guy but he seems so insecure around Jon Jones. It's the only guy that has beat him in MMA.

Az. · Jul 25, 2017

Really hope DC takes this, but i highly doubt it..too old, and Bones is just that good + has age on his side.

Maia gonna backpack his way to a belt.

Cerrone via spinning shit, since this is non title fight.

Sage · Jul 25, 2017

man...DC looks like he's 45.

he might actually get finished for the first time

Curupira · Jul 25, 2017

Milaniscool said:
Jones over the world. DC is not a bad guy but he seems so insecure around Jon Jones. It's the only guy that has beat him in MMA.

This. Exactly.

Soldier_of_god · Jul 25, 2017

Sage said:
man...DC looks like he's 45.

he might actually get finished for the first time

same. war DC. hopefully he wins.

Soldier_of_god · Jul 25, 2017

funny how lot of people here think backpack would beat tyron lol. tyron is underrated and he might surprise maia.

Milaniscool · Jul 25, 2017

Don_Jacare said:
funny how lot of people here think backpack would beat tyron lol. tyron is underrated and he might surprise maia.

It could go either way honestly, both are great. People just love to hate Tyron even though he is a great fighter. They said Lawler would KO him, and Thompson would be too much.

Mexes5 · Jul 25, 2017

Easy money on Woodley IMO

SuperP · Jul 25, 2017

Woodley is the worst matchup Maia has one that div. The knockout potential and his insane TDD and wrestling combined with insane strength.

MilanMB · Jul 25, 2017

Yeah Woodley is a huge favorite. But I still think there a chance there for Maia, and if he wins it's by submission. If it goes to decision, I think Woodley will be the winner.

SuperP · Jul 26, 2017

MilanMB said:
Yeah Woodley is a huge favorite. But I still think there a chance there for Maia, and if he wins it's by submission. If it goes to decision, I think Woodley will be the winner.

Thats the beauty of BJJ, one mistake and you're doomed.

MilanMB · Jul 26, 2017

SuperP said:
Thats the beauty of BJJ, one mistake and you're doomed.

yup, i love an submission artist like Maia and i'm happy he went back to his roots. he had a time there when he tried a lot of stand up.

it feels like (i have no numbers on this) we see less and less submissions, and the one's we see are chokes.

Az. · Jul 26, 2017

Maia only lost once by k.o in his whole career, let that sink in... :eek:

SuperP · Jul 26, 2017

MilanMB said:
yup, i love an submission artist like Maia and i'm happy he went back to his roots. he had a time there when he tried a lot of stand up.

it feels like (i have no numbers on this) we see less and less submissions, and the one's we see are chokes.

Yea I remember stand up Maia. Thats what Ronda should had done also, work on that wrestling.

You see better tdd nowdays, and most of the fighters are very good at defensive BJJ now.

Curupira · Jul 26, 2017

MilanMB said:
yup, i love an submission artist like Maia and i'm happy he went back to his roots. he had a time there when he tried a lot of stand up.

it feels like (i have no numbers on this) we see less and less submissions, and the one's we see are chokes.

It means level of BJJ and grappling is getting higher in general. As most people have fundamental defense down, it is harder to do a hail mary armbar / triangle to someone from closed guard (i.e. Paulo Filho on Chael Sonnen). And as guys with good BJJ advance in positions (mount, side control), they'd rather smash their opponents rather than risk losing position for armbars and kimuras. And after getting beat from advanced positions, most inexperienced people without proper defense tends to turn and give the back, which is why chokes will always be prevalent. Not to mention, it's a lot harder to control the limbs especially when sweaty in nogi (mma).

Lastly, diving for leg locks is not a good strategy at the highest level as you are susceptible and not many MMA fighters really have an in depth understanding of attacking the legs.

Even in high level gi BJJ, you mostly see cross choke (gi) variations and armbars and lots of matches are decided by points or even advantages.

Mexes5 · Jul 26, 2017

Jones "I'll deal with Daniel, then i'll deal with Brock"

hype

When Jones cuts out the nice guy routine, he's the f'n man, he really needs to embrace the bad guy, be who he is and f what others think or say.

MilanMB · Jul 26, 2017

Heard DC mentioning a fight with Brock in an interview recently as well. :lol:

SuperP · Jul 26, 2017

DC has legit wins at HW. And he's a better wrestler. It depends on how much size matters.

Soldier_of_god · Jul 28, 2017

Dc prme would smash any version of bork.

Curupira · Jul 28, 2017

Don_Jacare said:
Dc prme would smash any version of bork.

Wouldn't say smash, but I give him a good chance. I think he can wrestle with Brock and would hurt Brock standing.

Sage · Jul 28, 2017

if we are going to judge their wrestling according to accomplishments

Brock Lesnar :

National Collegiate Athletic Association:
NCAA Division I All-American (1999, 2000)
NCAA Division I Heavyweight Champion (2000)
Big Ten Conference Champion (1999, 2000)

Daniel Cormier:

National Collegiate Athletic Association:
NCAA Division I Collegiate National Championship Runner-up (2001)
NCAA Division I All-American (2001)

Curupira · Jul 28, 2017

Sage said:
if we are going to judge their wrestling according to accomplishments

Brock Lesnar :

National Collegiate Athletic Association:
NCAA Division I All-American (1999, 2000)
NCAA Division I Heavyweight Champion (2000)
Big Ten Conference Champion (1999, 2000)

Daniel Cormier:

National Collegiate Athletic Association:
NCAA Division I Collegiate National Championship Runner-up (2001)
NCAA Division I All-American (2001)

Brock has better credentials for sure, but I don't see Brock being able to do what he did to Mark Hunt to Cormier. And as long as Cormier can keep it standing, I think he has better striking than Brock. "Black Fedor" was quite a force in the HW, so stylistically to me it favors Cormier a lot more than say Werdum.

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