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No I dont , but do u ?zZ[-_-]Zz said:statistics = facts? so you guys are comparin' goal-scorin' stats or footballin' ability?
do you have stats also for contribution to build up of goals... vital goals... goals/shot... positive contribution in the dressin' room (not the kind where you inspire teammates to turn up late for trainin' stinkin' of alcohol)... how about goals/minutes?
how about havin' stats to prove the quality of teammates both players had? can you judge if van Basten with the Brazilian team can do better than fat boy can do with the Dutch team?
Thank u very much.madtherchot said:I myself haven't watched him live.
Where you at the San Siro? If not, then how could watching full games now be any different?Wild said:Thank u very much.
He wasn’t a player who can win a game by himself.
Ronaldo was.
It was some sort of an insult, but not directed to you. There was a sense of humor in the post, and I hope you're not offended, since I am not at all angered.Voce said:And i am.... NEW? mayby? Next question i dont get, prob. some sort of insult.
NO it dont, but it doesnt either mean its right, just means IMO that it sucks. you are at least easily angered
And who saved France ass when Zidane was red carded , Zidane also ?madtherchot said:Well, people have brought in the names of Maradona and other midfielders ... so why not the best player of Ronaldo's generation - Zidane? So yeah ... he got red carded and couldn't play a game in '98, but he still led his team to the World Cup and Ronaldo didn't. In fact its surprising how some brush aside the valid point I brought up (as hatred) stating that Germany in '02 were in fact without Ballack. And in Brazil's only other somewhat difficult match, it was Rivaldo and Ronaldinho who saved Brazil's ass against the English. Not to mention other top contenders being harshly eliminated as the co-hosts surprisingly progressed, raising a few eyebrows. In this case, there's no question that Fatso led Brazil to the WC, but in the other, Zidane did nothing ... ridiculous!
U downloaded 200+ FULL games for MVB coz thats how much I watched MVB.madtherchot said:Where you at the San Siro? If not, then how could watching full games now be any different?
Nope I haven't. In fact, much less. But I have the added bonus of comparing the two players side-by-side ... since our opinions on the game may vary from time to time. Besides ... then not many of us will be able to comment or refer to Pele and Jeerzinho, like the glorifying post you quoted. I've a full game of both of them playing together and think Ronaldo's much more zinho than Pele ...Wild said:U downloaded 200+ FULL games for MVB coz thats how much I watched MVB.
If u did then I will bow 2 ur effort + apologize.
Wild is asking if u've watched 200+ FULL games of Van Basten.madtherchot said:Right then ... I haven't watched him live. All due respect, but ... how does watching a game on TV live differ from a taped one watched later? Apart from the excitement, the game's still the same ... right?
Watching 10 games isn’t really like watching 100 games , is it ?madtherchot said:Right then ... I haven't watched him live. All due respect, but ... how does watching a game on TV live differ from a taped one watched later? Apart from the excitement, the game's still the same ... right?
As ZZZZ pointed out earlier, there is always going to be less emphasis on the meaning of some games. In spite of that though, you could still have an objective opinion on mvb's performances, but only on the games that you watch.madtherchot said:Right then ... I haven't watched him live. All due respect, but ... how does watching a game on TV live differ from a taped one watched later? Apart from the excitement, the game's still the same ... right?
He is much better.madtherchot said:Nope I haven't. In fact, much less. But I have the added bonus of comparing the two players side-by-side ... since our opinions on the game may vary from time to time. Besides ... then not many of us will be able to comment or refer to Pele and Jeerzinho, like the glorifying post you quoted. I've a full game of both of them playing together and think Ronaldo's much more zinho than Pele ...
I don’t know.zZ[-_-]Zz said:so Gilardino has a WC trophy... so too does Zaccardo & Barzagli... are you tellin' me Gilardino is better than van Basten & Zaccardo/Barzagli are better than Baresi & Maldini?
I told u 2 get prepare 4 this seasonzZ[-_-]Zz said:ok... whatever... after tonight's pissed poor performance... i lost all interest in anythin' else...
Show me the moneymadtherchot said:Well, unlike most, I have had the pleasure to watch full games of MVB's ... and even though maybe selected as Radio said, I've watched more than 20-or-so of his games for club and country. And so ... yes, like my earlier post, I do understand what you mean when you talk of team play ... Like I said, I thought he was the better team player, better passer (had more vision), better in the air, and a better poacher. He is slower but not by much. He had a different style of dribbling, but it was also damn effective. And he also was a hefty lad. So, all in all, the more complete striker and football player, IMO without a doubt.
Radio, what ZZ said is very true ... but in this respect, when comparing player attributes, it is what happens on the pitch that carries all the weight. So, you're comparing who is faster ... who's got a better left foot ... while the emotions + buildup do come into the Athens 07 achievement, it has much less (in fact no) value when comparing attributes on the pitch.
Then ... about statistics swaying the matter ... well, lets just drop this issue since both MVB and Ronaldo are inferior to Pippo Inzaghi. The greatest striker in club football history. Sour one to chew, huh Wild? Take your pick ... you can't have both.
Lol cmon man Pippo is good but thats a slight overstatement. Even Raul has a better club record than Pippo, in every stat except for european goals scored, but hes about 5 goals behind Pippo at just the age of 30.madtherchot said:Then ... about statistics swaying the matter ... well, lets just drop this issue since both MVB and Ronaldo are inferior to Pippo Inzaghi. The greatest striker in club football history. Sour one to chew, huh Wild? Take your pick ... you can't have both.
Yeah, predicting such an unlikely event like Ronaldo getting injured was such a Nostradamus achievement, you must be very proud of yourself. At least I hoped and had faith that he would be somehow fixed by the Milan lab, unlike you who is probably glad he got injured. Good job there, I admit, that is the ultimate test in knowledge of the game, knowing when anybody will get injured. Maybe you should use that ability to help people around the world.madtherchot said:Well, people have brought in the names of Maradona and other midfielders ... so why not the best player of Ronaldo's generation - Zidane? So yeah ... he got red carded and couldn't play a game in '98, but he still led his team to the World Cup and Ronaldo didn't. In fact its surprising how some brush aside the valid point I brought up (as hatred) stating that Germany in '02 were in fact without Ballack. And in Brazil's only other somewhat difficult match, it was Rivaldo and Ronaldinho who saved Brazil's ass against the English. Not to mention other top contenders being harshly eliminated as the co-hosts surprisingly progressed, raising a few eyebrows. In this case, there's no question that Fatso led Brazil to the WC, but in the other, Zidane did nothing ... ridiculous!
Perhaps there must be a reason why the FIFA panel voted Zidane as WPOY 98 and not Fatso. Perhaps there is also a reason why, in 02, France looked a shadow of themselves without the magician ... so much, they had that generation of French stars written off only to be surprised in 06 where, if you noticed, Zizzou was more of a coach than the idiot Dominech who's job was to watch down the sidelines as Zizzou and Vieira made the calls ...
I'm surprised some think MVB couldn't win games on his own. I cannot disagree with this further even though I myself haven't watched him live. But from the footage I've seen, I can name quite a few ... The game against England I mentioned earlier where the teams were evenly balanced ... and MVB, playing his first game after a 6 month injury, came in and made the difference ... and this was a top English side with Barns, Linekar, Adams, etc. He OWNED (take note on usages Fatso9) Adams. The final against the Russians, numerous Milan games, really too many to mention ... he could do what Ronaldo did and some more. He wasn't as fast or your typical Brazilian wizard, but he was quick enough and technically sound ... and his more intelligent game + all-round attributes really set him apart.
Wild said:Show me the money
Post Pippo's stats.
radioactivenerd said:Lol cmon man Pippo is good but thats a slight overstatement. Even Raul has a better club record than Pippo, in every stat except for european goals scored, but hes about 5 goals behind Pippo at just the age of 30.
madtherchot said:^^ A quick learner. Keep it to a sentence and you might actually get to me. But still delusional ... oh, and don't act like you've never called me names ...
CountVlad: Well, everyone knows that Fifa's WPOTY is a joke ... but its the first thing that gets shoved in our faces by the usual suspects. That and the world cup scoring record ... But I somehow understand why WC performances are given precedence during WC years. Like Fatso did nothing for his club in 02, but I wont take the award from him. Same with Cannavaro, who was splendid in Germany 06 ... his epic performance against Germany alone is worthy of the award.
Which may sound ridiculous, but this is the biggest tournament in the world. Which is why Fatso's achievement deserves applause ... but so do the people who provided the service for him.
But after the WC, the next biggest football competition is arguably Uefa's Champions' League ... which is where he has failed to make his mark. And its not like he hadn't had the opportunity ... he competed in this competition along side some really big names but failed to deliver. This is probably the competition where the best football is seen ... top teams, with players playing week in - week out, with a lot of chemistry ... The quality of the games is arguably better than those found in the WC. And this is a tournament that MVB dominated quite easily ...
Nice argument there.madtherchot said:^^ A quick learner. Keep it to a sentence and you might actually get to me. But still delusional ... oh, and don't act like you've never called me names ...
CountVlad: Well, everyone knows that Fifa's WPOTY is a joke ... but its the first thing that gets shoved in our faces by the usual suspects. That and the world cup scoring record ... But I somehow understand why WC performances are given precedence during WC years. Like Fatso did nothing for his club in 02, but I wont take the award from him. Same with Cannavaro, who was splendid in Germany 06 ... his epic performance against Germany alone is worthy of the award.
Which may sound ridiculous, but this is the biggest tournament in the world. Which is why Fatso's achievement deserves applause ... but so do the people who provided the service for him.
But after the WC, the next biggest football competition is arguably Uefa's Champions' League ... which is where he has failed to make his mark. And its not like he hadn't had the opportunity ... he competed in this competition along side some really big names but failed to deliver. This is probably the competition where the best football is seen ... top teams, with players playing week in - week out, with a lot of chemistry ... The quality of the games is arguably better than those found in the WC. And this is a tournament that MVB dominated quite easily ...