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View Poll Results: Who will win the EPL title this year?
Manchester City 39 33.05%
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Old 07-08-2011, 21:26   #801
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its not. Not for a long long time to come. Your rivalry as equals (or close to equals) is just at its infancy. Milan/Inter on the other hand have been matching each other blow for blow for a good part of a century now barring a few spells here and there. You cannot buy that kind of a rivalry over a span of one or two seasons. The only thing in Europe superior to Milan/Inter is Inter/Juve and Barca/Madrid. The rest dont compare. And yes history plays a huge role in rivalry and Milan/Inter spans across every competition and every time line since its initiation and some would say even before.
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man city vs man u is NOTHING compared to milan vs inter. please dont even compare the two. man city have become a force in the last 2 years and thats it, before that they were a midtable club. kinda like watching atletico madrid and real madrid, noone really cares about it. inter vs milan and inter vs juve, roma vs lazio those are fucking real derbys with real hatred. the players are ready to stab one another, contreversy is always present. i remmeber the last roman derby when totti made lazio shit themselves and got them a red card as well. i was just smiling the entire time it was beautiful to watch as a fan. city vs man u is city going on the defence or man u dominating the game and then they all shake hands in the hand, give each other blowjobs and then ferguson chews more gum. BOOORINGG. does man city vs man utd have calciopoli in the history of the clubs? that alone makes inter hated amongst milan and juve fans. it's not just a match liek it is vs city, it's hatred. city and utd have no hatred amongst themselves. you can't tell me city players hate united players and vice versa. however the likes of ambrosini etc would genuenly grab a rifle and shoot morrati in the fucking head. dont compare a beautiful derby and a friendly please lmao
United/Liverpool is up there. And yes the Manchester derby does compare. Historically? No. Importance? No. But in terms of passion it means a whole lot. I guarentee in league games the loser of the Manc derby feels every bit as dissapointed as the loser in the Milan derby. Just as the winners feel elated.


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It's around 1500. Last year derbies were ~2000 and ~2700 posts. So, mathematically, 3/4 as heated as a league game at best.

But who cares ... I thought it was cool. As was the Community Shield.
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Man the " I'm from Manchester" bit only works if you actually go to games,which you dont.

Also lets take two things into consideration : Neither in the past nor present the Manchester Derby will over take the Milan derby.You wanna know why?Because trough history both Milan teams had great players while in your case only United was good .

Then there`s the trophy cabinet of both clubs which far surpass the Manchester clubs.

Also the fact that when Milan plays Inter,the stadium gets full not like in your case

The only derby that you could argue is equally as important is the Manchester- Liverpool one from England.The rest are miky mouse derby`s compared to the Milan one.

Actually il go one step further and add that the 3 biggest derbys in the world are :

Milan-Inter,Real-Barca,Manchester-Liverpool,in no particular order.
What are you on about mate? The stadiums are always full for the Manc derby. Today was probably 90% full because prices, the fact that it's only the CS, and obviously there's very few local Citeh fans in the area.

Just like the others you're talking from a historical POV. There's no doubt that the Manchester derby, like the Madrid derby is way down the pecking order, but right now, at this moment in time, it's one of the most important derbies in the world because of what it means to the two clubs. I've been to hundreds of United games, for the record. Not that it actually matters.

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Because it doesn't matter were your from ,what matters if what type of fan you are in this little debate we have here.And there`s two types: tv fans and going to matches fans.

And he falls into the first category .
Right, and, in relation to this debate, what's he missing by not attending games?
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Right, and, in relation to this debate, what's he missing by not attending games?
Sshhhh. Some Irish lad who goes to every game hates City more than someone who has lived in Manchester most of his life!
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United/Liverpool is up there. And yes the Manchester derby does compare. Historically? No. Importance? No. But in terms of passion it means a whole lot. I guarentee in league games the loser of the Manc derby feels every bit as dissapointed as the loser in the Milan derby. Just as the winners feel elated.




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What are you on about mate? The stadiums are always full for the Manc derby. Today was probably 90% full because prices, the fact that it's only the CS, and obviously there's very few local Citeh fans in the area.

Just like the others you're talking from a historical POV. There's no doubt that the Manchester derby, like the Madrid derby is way down the pecking order, but right now, at this moment in time, it's one of the most important derbies in the world because of what it means to the two clubs. I've been to hundreds of United games, for the record. Not that it actually matters.
Let me ask you something ,if you were to make a top 3 derbies in the world what criteria would you use?Cause it seems to me you only go by present day facts.

And no one doubts that the derby means a lot to the Mancs,the point was that it does not matter as much as the Milan one.

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Right, and, in relation to this debate, what's he missing by not attending games?
The feeling you get when you go to the stadium for the sole purpose of backing ur team up and not really watching the game.I would go on more and say about the feeling you get when you jump out and down with the full Curva Sud ,wave the Flag,hold the banners up ,take part of coreos etc,but you cant relate to that since you dont have that in England.

There`s a huge difference between a tv fan and match going one.


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Let me ask you something ,if you were to make a top 3 derbies in the world what criteria would you use?Cause it seems to me you only go by present day facts.
Biggest? I don't know. Probably Barca/Madrid.

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Rubbish. The Manchester derby means every bit as much to Utd/MC fans as the Milan derby does for you lot. I don't know how people can argue with that.

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The feeling you get when you go to the stadium for the sole purpose of backing ur team up and not really watching the game.I would go on more and say about the feeling you get when you jump out and down with the full Curva Sud ,wave the Flag,hold the banners up ,take part of coreos etc,but you cant relate to that since you dont have that in England.

There`s a huge difference between a tv fan and match going one.
So that means I can't hate City as much as a match going fan can (regardless of where they're from)? Rubbish mate. I've been to umpteen Manc derbies btw.

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There`s a huge difference between a tv fan and match going one.
Those are tenuous generalizations. The importance which each fan places on their football team can vary significantly. I'm based just outside of Manchester, and it's apparent that there's a fervency amongst Mancunians, regardless of their attendance, that gives the derby an importance in their eyes which other fans simply can't comprehend.

When you're immersed in the environment from day one i.e. going to schools where you're either a blue or a red, passion, intensity and other overused nouns to describe football support are enthused in many more ways than needing to solely attend a game to ascertain what it's all about.
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Why are there so many Manchester United fans on a Milan forum?
And why are they arguing with Milanistas like they belong/have rights etc?
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Why are there so many Manchester United fans on a Milan forum?
And why are they arguing with Milanistas like they belong/have rights etc?
Because we do whatever we want.
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Why are there so many Manchester United fans on a Milan forum?
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Was thinking the same... I mean, what does Canada do in sports?
Cannuck fans went on a glorious riot in Vancouver, over 100 people treated for serious injuries. Hard to imagine mild mannered canadians acting up.
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Actually I thought it was a good game. I did prefer the intensity of yesterday's game and the fact that the rivalry can be felt, but this one wasn't as bad as some in here want to paint it, sure I think even if it's not an important cup, it's still an official one so it's completely wrong to have 6 subs per team, that usually just kills the intensity of games and that happened. Manutd's 2nd goal was amazing though, great team build up, in a very small tight place, done fast, and precise, beautiful.


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I know a lot of what happened involved Spurs fans and put 2 + 2 together. Not trying to "achieve" anything, since I have nothing against Spurs.
bahahahha 2 + 2= nonsense

Previous poster compared the Tottenham riot to the LA riot back in the early 90s, which i thought was fairly accurate. I don't recall Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers being held responsible for inciting violence.

Why should Spurs be held accountable from the actions over others? I grew up in Tottenham and it is a low socioeconomic shit hole, crime is prevalent and i'm glad i moved away a long time ago. Last time i checked there are just as many United fans as there are Spurs fans in Tottenham.

You quite clearly have an agenda and you are an inaccurate buffoon

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Generally i only take a passing interest in SeriaA, but this season looks incredibly exciting. Napoli have strengthen without losing the stars and have a good chance at taking the scudetto. If anything Seria A is much more competitive than the PL this season

lol @ comparing the Milan derby to the Manchester derby...get a grip
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bahahahha 2 + 2= nonsense

Previous poster compared the Tottenham riot to the LA riot back in the early 90s, which i thought was fairly accurate. I don't recall Lakers, Clippers, Dodgers being held responsible for inciting violence.

Why should Spurs be held accountable from the actions over others? I grew up in Tottenham and it is a low socioeconomic shit hole, crime is prevalent and i'm glad i moved away a long time ago. Last time i checked there are just as many United fans as there are Spurs fans in Tottenham.

You quite clearly have an agenda and you are an inaccurate buffoon
No agenda, seeing as Spurs do nothing to annoy me. You play good football, and offer us 4-6 points every season.

You're clearly a bit misguided if you think a United fan has an agenda against Spurs....as if we give a toss. Not to mention blind seeing as I said the police are useless.

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Generally i only take a passing interest in SeriaA, but this season looks incredibly exciting. Napoli have strengthen without losing the stars and have a good chance at taking the scudetto. If anything Seria A is much more competitive than the PL this season

lol @ comparing the Milan derby to the Manchester derby...get a grip
So to you is the North London derby not as important as the Milan one? Do you know hate Arsenal as much as Milan fans hate Inter?

I think it's safe to say most Spurs fans do.
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Where's that Celtic fan to try tell us that Rangers - Celtic is the biggest derby in the world?

This thread is fucking tedious.
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Holy Golie. He also said Celtic are one of the biggest clubs in the world because they've got a supporters group in the US. I miss him.
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Holy Golie. He also said Celtic are one of the biggest clubs in the world because they've got a supporters group in the US. I miss him.
I like his argument. Why are you all arguing about which derby is biggest when infact, the biggest derby in the world is in the footballing behemoth that is Scotland.
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I like his argument. Why are you all arguing about which derby is biggest when infact, the biggest derby in the world is in the footballing behemoth that is Scotland.
Basically, I said less people care about the CS than the SC, and you could see by the respective threads. The one in here was huge whereas the United/City thread on redcafe had less than 30 replies as of yesterday. Ash said that was because the Milan derby is bigger, which obviously had little to do with the actual point as the Manchester derby on a United forum is just as big as the Milan derby on a Milan forum. I may not have put my point accross as well as I could have.

Strangely most people didn't seem to understand. TheWire has an excuse in that he's a ******ed cockney, however the others should learn to read. I said several times that historically the Milan derby has much more importance than the Manchester Derby.

I think that just about sums it up

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