English Premier League Thread II - Page 2

Gio · 12-07-2011, 15:40

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Originally Posted by manutd fan

EPL is dominant. Serie A is behind the times and aimed at backwards people

Regardless of who it's "aimed at" I still enjoy it more. The gameplay the passion the fans, it's far more entertaining than the Premiership for me. Too many teams in the EPL have the Bolton "let's kick the fuck out of you and the ball tactic because we dont really have anyone who can play football in our squads" then you have fans creating fuck all atmosphere even when sold out (Arsenal, ManUtd).

In Serie A the game is slower but I think anyone would be foolish to not admit this allows for far more skill and impressive goals and team play, not all based on kick and run. Then the fans, when a team wins a title, be it for the first or the twenty first time, they go absolutely crazy, fill the streets with people, cars, mopeds, flags, flares, fireworks, beeping horns left right and centre... I only need quote the FA Cup's most recent victors to show the difference.

Then, rivalries, ohhh the rivalries. Manchester United - Liverpool? Fuck off, Genoa held a frigging funeral for Sampdoria!

Ash · 12-07-2011, 15:48

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Originally Posted by Giova21

Regardless of who it's "aimed at" I still enjoy it more. The gameplay the passion the fans, it's far more entertaining than the Premiership for me. Too many teams in the EPL have the Bolton "let's kick the fuck out of you and the ball tactic because we dont really have anyone who can play football in our squads" then you have fans creating fuck all atmosphere even when sold out (Arsenal, ManUtd).

In Serie A the game is slower but I think anyone would be foolish to not admit this allows for far more skill and impressive goals and team play, not all based on kick and run. Then the fans, when a team wins a title, be it for the first or the twenty first time, they go absolutely crazy, fill the streets with people, cars, mopeds, flags, flares, fireworks, beeping horns left right and centre... I only need quote the FA Cup's most recent victors to show the difference.

Then, rivalries, ohhh the rivalries. Manchester United - Liverpool? Fuck off, Genoa held a frigging funeral for Sampdoria!

KujaIX · 12-07-2011, 15:51

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Originally Posted by Giova21

Regardless of who it's "aimed at" I still enjoy it more. The gameplay the passion the fans, it's far more entertaining than the Premiership for me. Too many teams in the EPL have the Bolton "let's kick the fuck out of you and the ball tactic because we dont really have anyone who can play football in our squads" then you have fans creating fuck all atmosphere even when sold out (Arsenal, ManUtd).

In Serie A the game is slower but I think anyone would be foolish to not admit this allows for far more skill and impressive goals and team play, not all based on kick and run. Then the fans, when a team wins a title, be it for the first or the twenty first time, they go absolutely crazy, fill the streets with people, cars, mopeds, flags, flares, fireworks, beeping horns left right and centre... I only need quote the FA Cup's most recent victors to show the difference.

Then, rivalries, ohhh the rivalries. Manchester United - Liverpool? Fuck off, Genoa held a frigging funeral for Sampdoria!

Yeah yeah but those 2 throw faeces at each other!!! Now that has to account for something... they hate each other so much they revert back a few steps in the evolutionary tree. Now that is rivalry!

Gio · 12-07-2011, 15:52

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Originally Posted by KujaIX

Yeah yeah but those 2 throw faeces at each other!!! Now that has to account for something... they hate each other so much they revert back a few steps in the evolutionary tree. Now that is rivalry!

Just shows how true a rivalry it is, that it becomes them.

OneUnited · 12-07-2011, 17:49

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Originally Posted by Giova21

Genoa held a frigging funeral for Sampdoria!

Italians being ostentatious shocker.

manutd fan · 12-07-2011, 19:35

I'm amazed that anyone took that serious...

The atmosphere in the EPL is better than Italy (and Spain). If you don't believe me, look for quotes on players that have played in various leagues.

I went to Milan/Juve in 03 and the whistling is extremely loud, the colours are great, but in terms of fan interation it's nothing compared to atmosphere's in the UK, where you'll often find supporters screaming for a corner kick

Anyone who thinks Bolton still play the "kick you off the pitch" style is ignorant and clearly hasn't watched them in a long time. They play some good stuff.

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Originally Posted by Giova21

Just shows how true a rivalry it is, that it becomes them.

United fans don't throw shit. Please, if you're going to argue, then atleast know what the fook you're talking about.

Ash · 12-07-2011, 19:42

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Originally Posted by manutd fan

I'm amazed that anyone took that serious...

The atmosphere in the EPL is better than Italy (and Spain). If you don't believe me, look for quotes on players that have played in various leagues.

I went to Milan/Juve in 03 and the whistling is extremely loud, the colours are great, but in terms of fan interation it's nothing compared to atmosphere's in the UK, where you'll often find supporters screaming for a corner kick

Anyone who thinks Bolton still play the "kick you off the pitch" style is ignorant and clearly hasn't watched them in a long time. They play some good stuff.

United fans don't throw shit. Please, if you're going to argue, then atleast know what the fook you're talking about.

Are you serious? You are judging fan atmosphere in Italy based on a CL Final you watched IN the U.K?

If anything, it proves how dull the U.K. actually is, especially considering almost half of the crowd who attended were from the U.K.

Senatore_M84 · 12-07-2011, 19:54

cmon man utd fan.... nuetral site games out of country are always lame in terms of atmosphere

I've been to both serie a and EPL games. English sing more. Which is hardly a sign of 'cheering louder'. Just a sign of questionable sexual preference in IMO. Men singing songs about other men... ehhhhhh

I've actually found Serie A games to be more profain, lol.

Gio · 12-07-2011, 20:05

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Originally Posted by manutd fan

I'm amazed that anyone took that serious...

The atmosphere in the EPL is better than Italy (and Spain). If you don't believe me, look for quotes on players that have played in various leagues.

I went to Milan/Juve in 03 and the whistling is extremely loud, the colours are great, but in terms of fan interation it's nothing compared to atmosphere's in the UK, where you'll often find supporters screaming for a corner kick

Anyone who thinks Bolton still play the "kick you off the pitch" style is ignorant and clearly hasn't watched them in a long time. They play some good stuff.

United fans don't throw shit. Please, if you're going to argue, then atleast know what the fook you're talking about.

I was using it as an example that everyone is familiar with, a tactic many teams still adopt: Wolves, Wigan, Stoke, Blackburn.

As for the CL final in 03, was that not based on the fact it was such a dire, dull (as a result of both team's excellent defending) match? If not fair enough but I'm sure that must have had an effect upon it.

I've watched plenty of games this season in Serie A, and been to three (at San Siro) where the fans noise is incessant regardless of the attendance figures. Then at the very top end of the scale you have the likes of the Partenopei faithful who take 10,000 fans to Bologna and turn it into a home game, then the atmosphere in the 4-3 with Lazio was just incredible, nothing the likes of which I've seen in the Premiership.

Sven · 12-07-2011, 20:10

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Originally Posted by acmilan4ever

Corinthians make £35m offer for Manchester City's Carlos Tevez

• Return to old club in Brazil may suit Argentinian
• Twenty-seven-year-old wants to be closer to his family

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...y-carlos-tevez

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Originally Posted by Footiefan

Carlos Tevez's advisor Kia Joorabchian claims a deal to take the Manchester City captain back to Corinthians is "close" and that the player is helping drive the deal.

There's other news around that what Corinthians really offered was a one-year loan, like Robinho deal to Santos. Seems more realistic.

Anyway, Kia, MSI and all these shady people and groups, connected with Boris Berezovsky, have a close relationship with Corinthians and Tévez, so one can't rule out they are putting money on this.

neutral · 12-07-2011, 20:12

In light of the recent debate, i feel the need to post this again

Dottore Joey · 12-07-2011, 20:47

BPL my ass.

But in all honest i don't see UK people scared at attend to games...

Well you can see now how much rivalry, and hate to each other was/is...

Killing, killing, killing...

Italy can go Crazy...

English fan are so lame compared to Italians, sorry... I've been to BPL game... Man Utd - Liverpool 2006...

And just in TV i found more Thrill in game like "Milan-Inter" or "Milan-Juventus"

Charbel · 12-07-2011, 20:54

So, killing shows rivalry? It show how still behind we are.

EPL is great, but so is Serie A. They are two very different leagues and thus have different style of games. It depends on each person personal's taste...I for one watch both. It should be noted that in Serie A's worse time ..it has won 2 CLs.

Ashish · 12-07-2011, 21:04

Serie A is stone aged shit.. an excuse for warlike men to go rampant ... Football used to be good years ago.. degraded into shit on and off the field, financially and socailly its in a bad shape.

England has an excellent footballing environment but what they sell is not football, its athletes handling a ball,

Spain is unbalanced

Lets see whether germans can create a serie a of yesteryears in their back ground, they have the quality and finance They need time

necromancer · 12-07-2011, 21:10

It's pretty similar to arguing about rock vs pop or stuff like that. Two completely different styles - Serie A is for the tactically inclined and EPL for those who like fast-paced less cerebral football.

But it's rather silly to claim that the atmosphere in England is even close to that in Italy. (Songs are only a tiny part of the picture) Which is due to more ultra-types being there in the Serie A stadiums of course, so you can condemn that or not. Personal preference.

Would rather see a mixture of both, not an expensive family show nor a slightly dangerous ultra-dominated situation. Germany probably has a better mix than either.

Dottore Joey · 12-07-2011, 21:19

Germany get's the title for me today.

In the case of Attend, Stadiums and environment:

1. Germany
2. England
3. Spain
4. Italy

In case of the best teams with Histories, Biggest amount of big teams.

1. Italy
2. England
3. Spain
4. Germany

In case of the today best teams.

1. England
2. Spain
3. Italy
4. Germany

Senatore_M84 · 12-07-2011, 21:20

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Originally Posted by Ashish

Serie A is stone aged shit.. an excuse for warlike men to go rampant ... Football used to be good years ago.. degraded into shit on and off the field, financially and socailly its in a bad shape.

I have a different theory on it. Serie A is stone age cause of finances mostly. Today the van basten's desailley's of there time would go to epl cause of money.

Serie A teams have been forced to try to find players otherways....
be it finding a steal like players from regions less scouted, take advantage of market opportunitieS (like zlatan/robinho... or etoo/sneijder or... huntelaar

), or using older players with class and attempting to scheme a way to make up for there declining physical nature.

It's all tied back to money

manutd fan · 12-07-2011, 21:33

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Originally Posted by Ash

Are you serious? You are judging fan atmosphere in Italy based on a CL Final you watched IN the U.K?

If anything, it proves how dull the U.K. actually is, especially considering almost half of the crowd who attended were from the U.K.

No it wasn't. Not at all. The fact majority were Italian. When I walked outside OT there were huge groups singing songs in Italian. Don't forget prices were nowhere near as expensive then. Good comparison from a United POV is the 99 final vs the 11 final. For the record, Italian referee Colina said that that was his best memory ever because of the noise the United fans made.

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Originally Posted by Giova21

I was using it as an example that everyone is familiar with, a tactic many teams still adopt: Wolves, Wigan, Stoke, Blackburn.

As for the CL final in 03, was that not based on the fact it was such a dire, dull (as a result of both team's excellent defending) match? If not fair enough but I'm sure that must have had an effect upon it.

I've watched plenty of games this season in Serie A, and been to three (at San Siro) where the fans noise is incessant regardless of the attendance figures. Then at the very top end of the scale you have the likes of the Partenopei faithful who take 10,000 fans to Bologna and turn it into a home game, then the atmosphere in the 4-3 with Lazio was just incredible, nothing the likes of which I've seen in the Premiership.

You can argue with me about San Siro vs OT, but United's away fans are amazing. Best in the country. United have always taken huge numbers to away games.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmlMc...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3m0n8...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZskpfpuEGf0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb77jvyly2o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSS-D...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_qcn...eature=related

I'm not trying to blow United's horn here, there's plenty of teams who are similar (Nothing in Serie A can compare to Stoke - they have the best home support). Spurs and Newcastle also have an excellent away support.

United fans at San Siro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzRn1ECh2_0
And http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm9YM...eature=related

If you're talking about colour, then Anfield is hard to beat (sadly): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7xvegPH_Lw

Liverpool fans were louder than Milan fans in both your finals. At the end of the 07 final all you could hear was YNWA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2jg9...eature=related

Half time in Istanbul, 3-0 down: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8CEh...eature=related

I feel dirty...

British football can't compete with the atmosphere OUTSIDE the stadium though. The days of 25 thousand people walking to a match at the other end of the country are long gone.

OneUnited · 12-07-2011, 21:38

Really, what the fuck is the 'BPL'?

Dottore Joey · 12-07-2011, 21:43

Barclays Premier League. You should know that.

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12-07-2011, 20:54	#33
Charbel "Il Capitano" Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Lebanon Fav. Players: Maldini, L.Ronaldo, Nesta, Ambrosini	So, killing shows rivalry? It show how still behind we are. EPL is great, but so is Serie A. They are two very different leagues and thus have different style of games. It depends on each person personal's taste...I for one watch both. It should be noted that in Serie A's worse time ..it has won 2 CLs. Previously known as "Soldier"

12-07-2011, 20:12	#31
neutral AC Milan Legend Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: South Africa	In light of the recent debate, i feel the need to post this again

12-07-2011, 20:47	#32
Dottore Joey Vice Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Iceland Fav. Players: Zlatastic, Messi, Ronaldo Duo, Sheva, Maldini, Nesta, SES, Montolivo, Sigurdsson, Lloris	BPL my ass. But in all honest i don't see UK people scared at attend to games... Well you can see now how much rivalry, and hate to each other was/is... Killing, killing, killing... Italy can go Crazy... English fan are so lame compared to Italians, sorry... I've been to BPL game... Man Utd - Liverpool 2006... And just in TV i found more Thrill in game like "Milan-Inter" or "Milan-Juventus"

12-07-2011, 21:04	#34
Ashish Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Florida Fav. Players: Ronaldo, Nesta, Rui, Maldini, Gattuso, Duncan, Ginobli, Eli Manning	Serie A is stone aged shit.. an excuse for warlike men to go rampant ... Football used to be good years ago.. degraded into shit on and off the field, financially and socailly its in a bad shape. England has an excellent footballing environment but what they sell is not football, its athletes handling a ball, Spain is unbalanced Lets see whether germans can create a serie a of yesteryears in their back ground, they have the quality and finance They need time

12-07-2011, 21:10	#35
necromancer Lo Stile di Pioli Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Johannesburg Fav. Players: Nesta, Maldini, Buffon, RinoPirloClarence, Sheva, Totti, Ibra, Pippo, Giacomo, Carlo, Il Dottore	It's pretty similar to arguing about rock vs pop or stuff like that. Two completely different styles - Serie A is for the tactically inclined and EPL for those who like fast-paced less cerebral football. But it's rather silly to claim that the atmosphere in England is even close to that in Italy. (Songs are only a tiny part of the picture) Which is due to more ultra-types being there in the Serie A stadiums of course, so you can condemn that or not. Personal preference. Would rather see a mixture of both, not an expensive family show nor a slightly dangerous ultra-dominated situation. Germany probably has a better mix than either.

12-07-2011, 21:19	#36
Dottore Joey Vice Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Iceland Fav. Players: Zlatastic, Messi, Ronaldo Duo, Sheva, Maldini, Nesta, SES, Montolivo, Sigurdsson, Lloris	Germany get's the title for me today. In the case of Attend, Stadiums and environment: 1. Germany 2. England 3. Spain 4. Italy In case of the best teams with Histories, Biggest amount of big teams. 1. Italy 2. England 3. Spain 4. Germany In case of the today best teams. 1. England 2. Spain 3. Italy 4. Germany

12-07-2011, 21:38	#39
OneUnited 1878 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: England	Really, what the fuck is the 'BPL'?

12-07-2011, 21:43	#40
Dottore Joey Vice Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Iceland Fav. Players: Zlatastic, Messi, Ronaldo Duo, Sheva, Maldini, Nesta, SES, Montolivo, Sigurdsson, Lloris	Barclays Premier League. You should know that.