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I watched this Brazil x Italy in 1982, and Italy totally deserved to go through. I don't get all the hype over it.
Brazil had all the talent upfront, but look at Italy defense... Zoff, Cabrini, Scirea, Gentile, Collovati, Oriali just in front... Talent alone won't beat a classic defense just like that. Brazil wasn't very solid defensively. |
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serious calcio 3 x 2 samba
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![]() But I was at awe when I watched the 1994 final. Thankfully they have the full match on YouTube. Baresi's performance was something else. Coming from an injury and playing on a hot day? Baresi is incredible ![]() Quote:
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Scirea was an old school sweeper. And players like him usually need a grit and physical CB together, like Gentile
Baresi had Billy. Last edited by Sven; 25-04-2015 at 08:03. |
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maradona is way more charismatic/midiatic.. always in the midia kicking and shooting reporters and all that.. he is a midia man.. loves to show up.. if he was a real problematic player would be dead already or atleast in gazza's situation. im not saying he was a terrible players.. he was a realy realy good one.. but not better than romario and zico.. if he had better numbers i would put him on the same level. is just my opinion.. i was lucky enough to watch all 3 playing. Quote:
![]() romario was decisive.. look at his average goal per game anywhere he played.. because of 94' finals nobody cant say that he is a flop in finals.. the man lead brasil to a world cup, 2 american cups.. thanx to him we played the world cup in 1994... he came for the last match and we need to beat uruguay in maracana and he came and resolved zico was unlucky against the catenaccio in 1982.. tough lucky.. but the team make history Quote:
i you what i mean? shame that romario broke his leg in 1989 and was fit for 1990 world cup.. played only one game Quote:
like i said in only 7 games even toto schilacci can shine.. paolo rossi needed just 1 game in 1982.. career for career, romario and zico where better. put on this days.. maradona is just a bad boy neymarketing. ![]() |
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i forgot to mention batista and valdano in argentina's team from 1986.. was a hell of a team allan
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Please discuss Maradona@Napoli. And how he did against the top teams with top defenders in the top league of that time. Interested.
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But since we're talking about stats here: number wise Maradona had a very good appearance/goal ratio in South America. Maradona played 207 games in the Argentinean league scoring 143 goals (0.69 goals/game). Zico played 504 games scoring 378 goals (0.75 goals/game). For Argentinos Juniors he had 167 games and 115 goals (excellent ratio for playing in a weak team like Argentinos whereas Zico played with a strong Flamengo side). For Boca Juniors he had 40 games and 28 goals. So you see if he played his prime in Argentina his numbers would be higher but he decided to go and play in Italy where he played against the best defenses and became a great playmaker. In his career from what I remember he had over 300 assists and 47 for Argentina. So like I mentioned before: Maradona in Argentina = forward, Maradona in Italy = playmaker (#10). Obviously he won't score as much in Italy due to better defenses and change of role. Romario might have a better goal per game ratio but I know you wouldn't compare him to the other two. Romario is a CF and hence he stayed in the box more than Maradona and Zico did. For Romario there's maybe only one season (1994) when he was truly the best player in the world and overall he didn't help his teams achieve much in PSV and Barcelona. Romario was always a selfish player. He didn't care how the team was doing as long as he got his goals. You say Maradona is problematic but Romario is worse. How many teams did he get kicked out of for being lazy, undisciplined, and not getting along with coaches? Quote:
![]() For Copa America 1989 it's true that Romario scored the only goal against Uruguay but Bebeto carried that Brazil side scoring in almost every game. Without Bebeto, Brazil wouldn't have even reached the final phase or have enough points to overcome Uruguay in the last match. Maradona meanwhile in that same Copa America wasn't at 100% due to a long season at Napoli when they played hard on three fronts. That season he won the UEFA cup, reached the Coppa Italia final, and ended 2nd in Serie A. When he is at 100% I don't have to remind anyone how Maradona can carry a team by himself; something Romario cannot do despite his great goal average per game. Just goes to show numbers aren't as important as the influence players bring on the pitch. In Copa America 1997 Ronaldo outshined Romario as well when he was only 21 years old. Furthermore, Romario did nothing in the final vs. Italy and against Milan. He had a great team in Barcelona (The Dream Team) and Brazil. Honestly without Bebeto, Romario wouldn't have done half of what he did in 1994. Romario scored in the previous matches but in the big game itself did nothing whereas Maradona scored in previous matches and assisted in the 1986 final vs. Germany despite getting constantly fouled and marked by 2-3 German players at times. I remember Maradona was also the most fouled player in 1990, with a lot of those fouls coming from Brazilian players themselves. Yet he still helped his team reach the final where Germany only won by a questionable penalty and playing against a 9-man Argentina. Not to mention Romario had a very short peak in Europe in comparison to Maradona. Romario played the majority of his career in Brazil (very offensive league) whereas Maradona played his majority in Italy (very defensive league). I still don't understand how people can say Romario is better than Maradona when Maradona played against the best defenses and teams in the world. Diego was able to carry Napoli to 1st and 2nd place finishes where he still scored a good amount of goals despite playing as a #10 and even ended as top scorer in one season (1987-88). I seriously doubt Romario could have done what Maradona did in Italy. Maradona helped Napoli win its first Serie A title before the arrival of the two Brazilians Alemao and Careca. While at that time Ciro Ferrara was also very young and was not at his peak yet. Bagni and De Napoli were also good players for Napoli. However, after Maradona left Napoli those same players were not able to win more silverware. Kinda shows how great Diego was doesn't it? Quote:
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Furthermore, Valdano and Burruchaga are not the same level as Romario and Bebeto. Nobody would know who Burruchaga is if he didn't play with Maradona in 1986. Valdano played for Real Madrid but that doesn't mean he is an all-time great striker. If you look at his stats, they are quite unimpressive. Overall, Maradona still had the better career. He proved way more than Zico and Romario did on two different continents with different clubs, played well against the best teams consistently, maintained a high level for many years, carried teams by himself to titles, and was a big game player. There's a reason why he's considered one of the best of all times, if not the best. He is nothing like Neymar. Neymar is more hype than contribution whereas Maradona was able to perform week in and week out since the age of 17 for every team he's played for. It's simple Joy. Without Maradona, Napoli would not be the team it is today. Last edited by Allan_Sombrero; 26-04-2015 at 23:11. |
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![]() like i said i watched all 3 play(zico on his downfall only and he was still very good) based on this i have my opinion.. i cant say that pele was the best player that ever lived for example.. many say specially argentinians that maradona were better than pele.. i dont have argues to discuss with that.. maradona didnt even used his right foot for example.. wasnt a complete player.. pele could.. so i think this discuss would end here. maradona's lifestyle(drugs/mab/womens/gambling/guns) outside of the field help create this legend he is today.. on the field he wasnt objective like others.. but he was really really good no doubt about it.. messi is more objective than maradona.. even ronaldinho gaucho was too.. platini for example was pretty amz with juventus and for his NT too.. but he dont get this legend hype maradona has for some reason.. i believe thats the reason. many were better than him imo.. but i cannot say that owairan was better than maradona ![]() but he also score 'the goal of the century' or maybe michael owen.. no.. michael owen also wasnt close to maradona's football. ![]() |
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Btw I love Platini. Imo the best French player ever and better than Zidane in many ways. But you have to remember he played in a strong Juventus side and his NT had Tigana, Giresse, and Luis Fernandez (who formed the French quartet with Platini). Not to mention France had Amoros and Tresor in defense. Obviously the France defense wasn't as good as 1998 but still solid. What the French side didn't have was good forwards. The reason Maradona gets hype is because he carried several weak teams to titles by himself. Messi up to this day does not win a world cup (even with a good team) because he doesn't have the "garra" Maradona had to win games. Ronaldinho was very good but inconsistent. No other player in football history can say they carried teams like Maradona. He is truly a GOAT level player. You're right his lifestyle wasn't/isn't the best but it wasn't as bad as George Best's lifestyle. |
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Oh yeah.... it's the big one tonight, SuperClasico.
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river and boca today again.. libertadores final sixteen.. will be a great game.
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