Official: Ignazio Abate Thread

Senatore_M84 · Oct 15, 2009

San Paolo said:
Empoli had half Milan's youth academy at one stage. Abate, Pozzi, Marzoratti, Antonini...

MassterMark said:
and juves: giovinko, marchisio.

and got relegated

MilanSpecialist · Oct 18, 2009

with time, i can see abate becoming the type of winger we need..i don't really like him playing in defense, as much as him playing the winger role..if he can control his crosses and get better placement with them, then he can become very essential for us in many ways..remember, he is coming from lower clubs and will take time to get his skills up to par..hes got some good speed to track down the ball, and will be the type of player we need in the coming years..

Pato#1 · Oct 19, 2009

he did great today but was he injured or replaced for a striker?

Pedro · Oct 19, 2009

Pato#1 said:
he did great today but was he injured or replaced for a striker?

Both, mate, both.

Senatore_M84 · Oct 19, 2009

Ragazza said:
agreed...i like him as well but i don't like him playing the last line of defense. he's a bit too unpredictable. last line of defense needs to be calm&confident...maldini, nesta types. abate seems to panic a bit back there

i know that's why i always hated playing defense...too much pressure

i think midfield would be a better place for him...he could do more there...just my 2cents

I think he's looked great in defense considering he's played 2 or 3 games there. He can learn to play fb, he's big/strong enough and has a team commitment to defense. The tactical awareness comes from exerience and playing. He has the makings of the modern fb being able to push forward and cross.

remember some of the best weren't exactly defensive greats, but they knew how to push forward enough to literally stop attack from coming (Cafu is prime example).

anilak · Oct 19, 2009

Pedro said:
Both, mate, both.

Any idea of his injury status ?

GreatKalu · Oct 19, 2009

While he provided energy + pace to the attack, he isn't yet mature enough to understand how to build attacks + his technical ability is a bit limited for an out and out right winger.

I think his future lies in the RB role ...

MassterMark · Oct 19, 2009

madtherchot said:
I think his future lies in the RB role ...

Milano84 said:
I think he's looked great in defense considering he's played 2 or 3 games there. He can learn to play fb, he's big/strong enough and has a team commitment to defense. The tactical awareness comes from exerience and playing. He has the makings of the modern fb being able to push forward and cross.
remember some of the best weren't exactly defensive greats, but they knew how to push forward enough to literally stop attack from coming (Cafu is prime example).

ohhh, cmon. winger in RB??
lol who is dreaming here
dont be funny... :tongue:

who i was arguing with about abate on RB???? all of you?

MassterMark · Oct 19, 2009

didnt nobody noticed!?

Madridista · Oct 19, 2009

He's a good player to have, quite refreshing with his pace and stamina. Still a bit raw, lacking in composure, but its obvious he's the future on the wing, either as wingback or winger, kinda like Serginho. I don't see his technique as a weakness as well, he has good skillset for the wing, with experience he will become a definite important part of the first 11. I agree with madthercot and milano84 that he should be played more ofthen as a wingback to get to know the position better, because offensively he does a good job.

ladro · Oct 19, 2009

The only difference is his big nose. Abbatzer indeed

acerвιc wιт · Oct 19, 2009

Yes, I did noticed.

Ragazza · Oct 19, 2009

Milano84 said:
He has the makings of the modern fb being able to push forward and cross.

you'll have to forgive me for not understanding all the positions and tactical terms mentioned here...wingers, wingbacks etc. when i played we had forwards, midfielders and defenders...i realize it's far too simplified, but that is still how i see the game

from what i could tell, abate played a midfield position in the game against roma and i thought he really nailed it...he was all over the field, in all the right places...until he got injured

he might still have the makings of a defender for milan...but i don't see why he should...
> 2 or 3 games playing defense - average performances
> 1 game playing midfield - great intentsity and he seemed in his zone

either position though, i really hope he is not badly injured from the roma game

Senatore_M84 · Oct 19, 2009

Ragazza said:
you'll have to forgive me for not understanding all the positions and tactical terms mentioned here...wingers, wingbacks etc. when i played we had forwards, midfielders and defenders...i realize it's far too simplified, but that is still how i see the game

Fair enough. Wingback is like what zambrotta is (started as a winger, became a fullback but a more attacking version of one). Brazilians like roberto carlos and cafu define the term wingback IMO. The most classic way is a wide player in a 3-5-2 who provides width in attack w/ crosses and defends.

Since we don't use conventional wingers, having fb's who can move forward and provide crosses is vital.

anyway I see zambrotta as a fine example. He was a LM/RM for juve for years before they made him a FB. After he adjusted, he was probably considered best fb in world (until his inevitable decline). I see alot of similar characteristics in abate.

Ragazza said:
from what i could tell, abate played a midfield position in the game against roma and i thought he really nailed it...he was all over the field, in all the right places...until he got injured

he might still have the makings of a defender for milan...but i don't see why he should...
> 2 or 3 games playing defense - average performances
> 1 game playing midfield - great intentsity and he seemed in his zone

either position though, i really hope he is not badly injured from the roma game

I didn't think he looked good in midfield to be honest, he isnt skilled enough to beat defenders consistantly, nor strong enough in possession. His best attributes IMO are 1) his work ethic/will. 2) his pace/stamina. 3) his crosses.

At FB he can provide the overlapping run and get off crosses easier. The defensive part and tactical awareness will come with experience. All things considered, i don't think he looked bad at all in 3 games in defense.

FaRa13 · Oct 19, 2009

defense can be taught. But by 23 years old the skill you have is probably what you will have till your done. Hes not technically gifted enough to be that winger that can get in behind defenders. thereeeefore...put him in defense and he can help us there

Sasha · Oct 20, 2009

MassterMark said:
didnt nobody noticed!?

Giant Sean Penn picture

Let's hope Abate doens't go Full ****** like Sean Penn did. :tongue:

Jasper · Oct 20, 2009

milanomichael said:
let's hope abate doens't go full ****** like sean penn did.

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Sasha · Oct 21, 2009

Jasper said:
no

Yes.

Dwa Milan · Oct 21, 2009

I think with lots of practice and work Abate can really be a good RB, as from what I see from Cissokho's way of playing (on his game against Liverpool) Abate looked a bit similar to Aly, off course aly looks better atm because wb is his natural position, but in fairness Abate has the potential to be as good or even better, i think Abate is a bit faster than cissokho..if aba work on the timing of his crossing and also linking up with his midfielder .. he can be a good RB for us

MassterMark · Oct 21, 2009

Dwa Milan said:
I think with lots of practice and work Abate can really be a good RB, as from what I see from Cissokho's way of playing (on his game against Liverpool) Abate looked a bit similar to Aly, off course aly looks better atm because wb is his natural position, but in fairness Abate has the potential to be as good or even better, i think Abate is a bit faster than cissokho..if aba work on the timing of his crossing and also linking up with his midfielder .. he can be a good RB for us

abate on RB & cissokho on LB...
sweet dream... :cry:

Sasha · Oct 25, 2009

Ever since Masster came back we haven't seen him. Is he hurt?

Savo · Oct 25, 2009

MilanoMichael said:
Let's hope Abate doens't go Full ****** like Sean Penn did.

man... you ain't never go full ******. academy doesn't go for that. dustin hoffman in rainman... slow? yes... but ******? nope.

great movie. downey was amazing.

on another note. i hope to see abate back healthy quick. he's done nothing but good for us and he will be an important piece of the new milan puzzle. my dream is for him to be at RB and krasic to be at RM. what a right side that would be..

Lisa · Oct 25, 2009

Sprained his ankle against Roma; he had to come out the game at halftime.

Ashish · Oct 25, 2009

Savo said:
on another note. i hope to see abate back healthy quick. he's done nothing but good for us and he will be an important piece of the new milan puzzle. my dream is for him to be at RB and krasic to be at RM. what a right side that would be..

*cough*beckham*cough*

Lisa · Oct 29, 2009

Australiano1980 · Oct 29, 2009

and he said he didnt deserve a red card.

Ragazza · Oct 29, 2009

Milano84 said:
Fair enough. Wingback is like what zambrotta is (started as a winger, became a fullback but a more attacking version of one). Brazilians like roberto carlos and cafu define the term wingback IMO. The most classic way is a wide player in a 3-5-2 who provides width in attack w/ crosses and defends.

Since we don't use conventional wingers, having fb's who can move forward and provide crosses is vital.

anyway I see zambrotta as a fine example. He was a LM/RM for juve for years before they made him a FB. After he adjusted, he was probably considered best fb in world (until his inevitable decline). I see alot of similar characteristics in abate.

hey thanks a lot for that explanation!

ladro · Oct 29, 2009

His first yellow was kinda harsh. Really unlucky especially since he played really well. Made a few mistakes but thats expected. I like how he left the pitch all pissed and frustrated. Really makes it easy to see how motivated he is to help milan

acerвιc wιт · Oct 29, 2009

Illadro80 said:
His first yellow was kinda harsh. Really unlucky especially since he played really well. Made a few mistakes but thats expected. I like how he left the pitch all pissed and frustrated. Really makes it easy to see how motivated he is to help milan

Abate made a few mistakes?
Kaladze must be in contention for the Ballon D'Or in that case.

KujaIX · Oct 29, 2009

San Paolo said:
Abate made a few mistakes?
Kaladze must be in contention for the Ballon D'Or in that case.

well he did make a few mistakes. as did kaladze. it's not like abate's a fucking cant-do-nothing-wrong prodigal son. just because he's italian, young and our youth product

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