Giacomo Bonaventura Thread

Panache · Sep 5, 2014

Tadej said:
It seems, that he is able to play everywhere on the pitch, just like urby...at every position can give something, nothing more-nothing less.

Versatile and mediocre....just like bertolacci. Nothing special.

WTF???

Guy hasn't even played a single game for us and we get idiotic posts like this. No way in hell you can come to that conclusion after watching two lousy vids youtube. :lol:

Fans these days...SMH

Milanista92 · Sep 5, 2014

does anyone know how is defensive work rate is?

muntari doesn't do much so if swapped i assume it could only be positive, unless he really doesn't put in effort.

necromancer · Sep 5, 2014

Great promise, tactically flexible, good technique. Also when was the last time we had a Giacomo?

VultureSheva · Sep 5, 2014

Milanista92 said:
does anyone know how is defensive work rate is?

muntari doesn't do much so if swapped i assume it could only be positive, unless he really doesn't put in effort.

he is good in defensive, bonavultura has 2.3 tackles per game, better than poli, honda and ses.

Milanista92 · Sep 5, 2014

ignazio said:
he is good in defensive, bonavultura has 2.3 tackles per game, better than poli, honda and ses.

what about muntari

VultureSheva · Sep 5, 2014

Milanista92 said:
what about muntari

muntari did 3 tackles and 3 clearances vs lazio and was dribbled 2 times.

you can check this for stats of last season: http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/10...8019/PlayerStatistics/Italy-Serie-A-2013-2014

Dawn · Sep 5, 2014

necromancer said:
Great promise, tactically flexible, good technique. Also when was the last time we had a Giacomo?

Giacomo Beretta is still with us

necromancer · Sep 5, 2014

sonatawish said:
Giacomo Beretta is still with us

Oh damn.

Milanista92 · Sep 5, 2014

ignazio said:
muntari did 3 tackles and 3 clearances vs lazio and was dribbled 2 times.

you can check this for stats of last season: http://www.whoscored.com/Regions/10...8019/PlayerStatistics/Italy-Serie-A-2013-2014

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MilanMB · Sep 5, 2014

Senatore_M84 said:
like i said... sounds like muntari.

One of our strongest shot, one of our smartest players who knows how to read defenses and attackers.

Don't deny it. Muntari has 1 major fault, trying to do too much and making a dumb play when he does. Rather that than the guy who hides. If you watched milan last two years he might have been our best mid. Montolivo was up and down. NDJ is good but limited. Led team in midfield in both tackles per minute and goals. And on and on.

But you know people hate on muntari cause of how he looks and the occasional dumb play. Can't argue w/ production.

"occasional" dumb play

cassano1990 · Sep 5, 2014

think we will have a good season and now monto back soon and des and ses need to stay fit we should be good, and make a good buy in jan too...i think we are stronger than inter and napoli...

Rickaka · Sep 5, 2014

Senatore_M84 said:
If you watched milan last two years he might have been our best mid. Montolivo was up and down. NDJ is good but limited. Led team in midfield in both tackles per minute and goals. And on and on.

Pushing it.

I don't know where you got that info from about Muntari being the midfielder with the highest tackle/minute ratio. I really can't be arsed to track how many minutes Muntari/Nigel/Monto have played but when it comes to tackle/game ratio:

Muntari: 35 in 26 games: 1.20 pg
Monto: 54 in 29 games: 1.86 pg
Nigel: 56 in 33 games:1.70 pg

Avg duels won:

Muntari: 37%
Monto: 48%
Nigel: 48%

Avg defensive actions per game (blocks, interceptions and clearances):

Muntari: 1 pg
Monto: 3 pg
Nigel: 5 pg

Chances created (assists + keypasses):

Muntari: 29 in 26 games: 1.1 pg
Monto: 44 in 29 games: 1.5 pg
Nigel: 20 in 33 games: 0.6 pg

Avg pass accuraccy:

Muntari: 79%
Monto: 85%
Nigel: 91%

Goals scored:

Muntari: 5
Monto: 3
Nigel: 2

2013/2014 season stats
Source:
Squawka

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This is coming from someone who actually likes and rates Muntari aswell. But 'best midfielder' is based on nothing. He's clearly going to be competing with Bonaventura for the lcm spot, and my gut tells me the substantial investment has some kind of advantage over Muntari.

Senatore_M84 · Sep 5, 2014

Rickaka said:
Pushing it.

I don't know where you got that info from about Muntari being the midfielder with the highest tackle/minute ratio. I really can't be arsed to track how many minutes Muntari/Nigel/Monto have played but when it comes to tackle/game ratio

this ratio is bullshit because it treats a 5 min sub as same as 90 mins.

look up total tackles and divide it w/ minutes.

Basic arithmetic.

None of it says he's a better anchor, but he does rack up tackles.

Senatore_M84 · Sep 5, 2014

Rickaka said:
P

Muntari: 35 in 26 games: 1.20 pg
Monto: 54 in 29 games: 1.86 pg
Nigel: 56 in 33 games:1.70 pg

cause im nice

http://www.acmilan.com/en/news/show/152681

De jong- 2801, 73 tackles: 2.3 per 90 mins
montolivo- 2411 mins, 78 tackles: 2.1 per 90
Muntari- 1571, 56 tackles: 3.2 tackles per 90

Raw numbers off whoscored. Minutes off official tally.

#MAth

Should note, De Jong had a shit ton of interceptions as anchor types do... sit back read, cut off. Muntari is a seek and destroy type

Pharaoh · Sep 5, 2014

Rickaka said:
Pushing it.

I don't know where you got that info from about Muntari being the midfielder with the highest tackle/minute ratio. I really can't be arsed to track how many minutes Muntari/Nigel/Monto have played but when it comes to tackle/game ratio:

Muntari: 35 in 26 games: 1.20 pg
Monto: 54 in 29 games: 1.86 pg
Nigel: 56 in 33 games:1.70 pg

Avg duels won:

Muntari: 37%
Monto: 48%
Nigel: 48%

Avg defensive actions per game (blocks, interceptions and clearances):

Muntari: 1 pg
Monto: 3 pg
Nigel: 5 pg

Chances created (assists + keypasses):

Muntari: 29 in 26 games: 1.1 pg
Monto: 44 in 29 games: 1.5 pg
Nigel: 20 in 33 games: 0.6 pg

Avg pass accuraccy:

Muntari: 79%
Monto: 85%
Nigel: 91%

Goals scored:

Muntari: 5
Monto: 3
Nigel: 2

2013/2014 season stats
Source:
Squawka

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This is coming from someone who actually likes and rates Muntari aswell. But 'best midfielder' is based on nothing. He's clearly going to be competing with Bonaventura for the lcm spot, and my gut tells me the substantial investment has some kind of advantage over Muntari.

Youve been on fire like accidentally sitting on an ant hill :thumbsup:

Completetly agree except for the last part. I can bet up until december issh, muntari will start more games than jack

Rickaka · Sep 5, 2014

Senatore_M84 said:
cause im nice
http://www.acmilan.com/en/news/show/152681

De jong- 2801, 73 tackles: 2.3 per 90 mins
montolivo- 2411 mins, 78 tackles: 2.1 per 90
Muntari- 1571, 56 tackles: 3.2 tackles per 90

Raw numbers off whoscored. Minutes off official tally.

#MAth

Should note, De Jong had a shit ton of interceptions as anchor types do... sit back read, cut off. Muntari is a seek and destroy type

Fair enough. Still, mentioning a selective set of statistics like you did in your original post isn't exactly stellar 'proof' towards your claim of 'Muntari our best mid'. Like you said, different role, you're going to have betters numbers in different stats.

There's also a reason why Nigel and Montolivo played that amount of minutes more than Muntari.

Plus why we reinforced cm rather than dm. Whether you agree with Nigel cdm or not, Allegri, Clarence and Pippo believe in it, which is telling. Same with Montolivo playing 90 when he's fit.

Muntari imo is the perfect backup/bench player. In an ideal world.

FNF · Sep 5, 2014

> Suggesting Muntari is good.

Rickaka · Sep 5, 2014

Muntari is a good player.

littlewing · Sep 5, 2014

On top of that De Jong and Montolivo don´t get red cards for stupid tackles whereas Muntari is a ticking bomb.
He is definitely a good player to have but choosing Monto and Nigel over him is a no brainer.

Tadej · Sep 5, 2014

From these stats you can see ndj role...great defensive mid and useless when it comes to attacking phase.

Congo Powers · Sep 5, 2014

suggesting muntari is not good = eat shit and die

Ender · Sep 5, 2014

Muntari has skills, the same way that Giaccherini has skills. For some coaches a more balanced player can improve the team tremendously by giving more stability and helping both offensively and defensively. Other times, when you lack in a particular department, a player that is very skilled in that one department is like water in the desert.

Zeusftw · Sep 5, 2014

I agree 100% with senatore, muntari has been clutch for us in these past two years.

MarioReality · Sep 5, 2014

littlewing said:
On top of that De Jong and Montolivo don´t get red cards for stupid tackles

no, you didnt...

Senatore_M84 · Sep 5, 2014

Champion

MilanMB · Sep 6, 2014

Steaming pile of shit.

Dominate · Sep 6, 2014

MB please......

Calma

MilanMB · Sep 6, 2014

People forget his horrible performances :lol:

God damn

Absolute shit and should be the first one from this team to be sold (lol) /released.

Mr. Milanista · Sep 6, 2014

Raz · Sep 6, 2014

Big game player. Deal with it.

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