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you laugh but torino and atalanta are right up our ass with worse.

would love to trade some of our forwards for some of theirs

leaving aside belotti or zapata...absolutely yes papu instead of samu or susu...would i trade borini for zaza to sit on the bench if it meant piatek-cutrone would be a starting pair? yes i would
 

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I believe what I wrote, specifically, was that he did most of what people wanted. He didn't drop Suso like people wanted, me included, but he started Samu. He dropped Hakan. He switched to 3 at the back, dropping RR, and really, really unfortunately, Calabria got hurt, so Conti got to start, as did Caldara, which are all things that have been routinely said around here.

People said Gattuso was an idiot for not starting Laxalt. Laxalt doesn't seem to help that much. I've seen him as a LB and as a LWB, where he's supposed to be good, and I haven't seen anything.

Conti doesn't defend well, and his attacking ability seems to have disappeared. The funny thing is, I want him to do well, so badly, but I have to admit, he's not doing well.

Samu has been very inconsistent here. He's played on the right, in fact, he started the second half on the right, where Suso went more central, and both were even worse there.

Caldara did well, why he hasn't played earlier, I'm not sure, but I don't see Gattuso screwing over people, but I think he's been overly cautious after what happened with Conti. Same thing with Paqueta. And I don't hold that against Gattuso, at all. If Gattuso didn't have to sub our Calabria for injury, maybe Paqueta would have played? Maybe he's really not ready to play yet.

First of all, I was not in favor of Gattuso when he was appointed. Gattuso has shown, at the start of the year, that he wants to attack. I crushed Gattuso for abandoning that approaches in the first Derby. He tried to play ugly and he's made Inter look better than they are, twice.

But when you talk about Suso and Samu playing as FB's, let me ask you: why were they forced to go back so often? Suso gave the ball away, every fucking time he got the ball. How many times did he pass the ball, directly into a Lazio player? Can Samu stand up? Not in the game, but in life. Does he fall over if someone stands next to him on the elevator? Where is his pace that he's supposed to have? Why can't he just kick it forward and run past someone? Lesser players do that, why can't he?

Against Inter, both times, Gattuso set up the team in a bad way. He didn't adjust against Inter until it was too late, but Inter didn't setup that differently, it was not so much that Spaletti did something different, but Gattuso making Bakayoko push forward, opened up space that Spaletti's 4-2-3-1 naturally took advantage of, which, Gattuso really should have known like, without having to watch Inter do well for the first like 45 minutes of the game before even making an adjustment.

So games like that make me angry. But then there are games, that I'm equally mad at, but I'm angry more at the players than I am at Gattuso. And you can say, fairly, that Gattuso puts the players on the field, but, at the same time, just because Samu doesn't like the left side, doesn't mean he ceases to be able to hold onto the ball, or pass it, or like, anything, right?

I am put into the whole "Gattuso defender" camp, but, I'm really more of a "I want what is best for Milan," camp. I don't think firing Gattuso would help. Maybe in the summer, maybe even with 4th place, but not right now. I hated Sinisa, with a passion, but firing him when we did was not helpful at all. Right now I don't think firing Gattuso would help, I just have trouble squaring away these two arguments:

Hakan, Suso, RR, etc etc are all so shit, and are Serie B worthy, and yet, Gattuso should be doing better with such distinct shit. I don't understand that loop. This team should have more points, I agree with that, but, at the same time, is Suso and Hakan being inconsistent something new? Is Biglia being unreliable new? Are we finding out how much we miss Bonaventura, I'd say yes. Did we suffer more long-term injuries than anyone in Serie A? Yes.

If someone is more even-handed, but wants Gattuso out, I get it. But acting like it's either all on the players, or all on Gattuso, that doesn't make sense to me.

Appreciate your post.

I think for the most part we're on the same page. Mainly that sacking Gattuso now probably won't change anything. Or that our squad has limitations, flaws and weaknesses. I think no one here denies that. The question is who's more to blame for our current crisis: the players or the coach?

I am very convinced that a coach has far more influence on his team than others who would say a coach can't work miracles when his players are shit. But when even Chievo or Parma seem to have more attacks per game than we have, and basically every team in top 10 and some out of it – you can't tell me that all those teams have a better squad than our, right?

Therefore I don't blame the coach because it's simpler, but because I think that many of the shortcomings you describe come from the decisions of Gattuso. For example: while we don't have real wingers, why are we still playing a 4-3-3 after 18 months? How is it possible that we change formation three or four times within one game (Parma)? Has Gattuso still not figured out what's best suited to this team? Or is it me who's not able to see what's all this confusion about that infects the players and shows in the way they look as clueless as their coach?

Or this build up from behind, that drove us into troubles many times this season because we don't have players to do that. I mean I don't know: Is Gattuso trying to copy Barca or what? With Baka/Kessie imitating Xavi/Iniesta? Our build up with all that passing around is slow and sterile, and when put under pressure error-prone. If you don't have the players then stop that shit. Or show them how it's done correctly, but Rino is too limited obviously.

Samu is only one of many players missmanaged. Yes, Samu is no worldbeater by any means. But we know that the left side is his weaker side. Yet Rino starts him only there because God forbid Rino benches Suso in order to start Samu on the right side (beside that one time Suso was suspended and Samu MOTM with 1 goal and 1 assist). When he gets some minutes and doesn't shine, Rino lets him rot on the bench the next three games. The other spanish untouchable instead seems to have carte blanche to do dogshit since 4 months without ever being benched. How is this fair to Samu? How is he supposed to find rhytm and momentum if only played occasionally and on the wrong position?

Caldara... Well let's not go into it since you admit that Gattuso mismanaged him as well :).

You know. At this point the system we play is irrelevant. That's what I wanted to say in my previous post. It doesn't change much if you move this or that player a little bit around the pitch. Or who we field. Our problem has much more to do with limited tactics, non existend schemes and midtable mindsets when we go to Parma and worry more about not conceding instead of bombing them out of their stadiums. The regularity of how we gave away entire 1sr halfes through the year is another aspect that indicates how badly Gattuso prepares those games. It can happen that he completely fails two or three times the preparation of a game. But not that many times that it happened to us. Another user posted a statistic that we already lost 18 points from a leading position. How is it possible that a team coached by Ringio Gattuso is so weak psychologically?

So yeah all that to say that I basically agree with you . I see the limits of our squad. But no one is asking them to win the Scudetto. I blame more the coach because in that egg/chicken question I think most of our problems are a result of Rinos coaching, not the other way around.
 

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would love to trade some of our forwards for some of theirs

leaving aside belotti or zapata...absolutely yes papu instead of samu or susu...would i trade borini for zaza to sit on the bench if it meant piatek-cutrone would be a starting pair? yes i would

and im sure they'd love to trade 80 percent of their roster for ours. you make the best with what you have and we have a superior roster to most of the other teams, period.

We all know our issues, speed on the counter and to a certain extent maintaining possession. So why the fuck are we sitting deep and trying to build our way out, or counter attack. We literally keep trying the things we don't have the players for. Even the possesion part our players are so far away from each other how the fuck do you expect players like kessie to control the midfield when the next man is no where to be found.

On top of this we keep trying the same shit week in and week out with constantly the same results, at this point gattuso is hoping we get a lucky bounce off a cross or shot.
 

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We talking about Grintuso and this current squad, but grintics trying to bring up Muntari, Traore, Taraabt, etc. as an argument
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You're so fucking done. Stop embarrassing yourselves
 

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i think sarri would provide consistency for the first time in years, leo is already looking for wingers and we already play the 433. This would be good for kessie as he would get a coach that would teach him positioning in the midfield and passing lanes, if he cant succeed under sarri than...

Baka didn't really play for sarri right? i think hes talented enough to fill the cdm role but Tonali tho... sarri would nut all over the place

I hope Sarri will ask for Tonali too.
 

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You're so fucking done. Stop embarrassing yourselves


You can fuck off for all I care. Fucking moron, always looking for buttons to push, never just saying something straight, without irony or sarcasm. Seriously, fuck right off, I'm done with you

wait..i thought you were done? now i'm done?

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Sarri is one-dimensional and stubborn coach, Chelsea fans are going nuts because he's forcing same formation and players whole season. Doesn't matter how bad someone is, he will play under Sarri, that guy doesn't know for rotation and plan B.
I love his football but the more I follow him, the less I like him.

On the other hand, Conte will be expensive. Gasperini... idk, I have doubts about him and if he's able to be in big club.


Fuck, we don't have many options but we have to choose someone. :o
 

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Give it a rest Raz. He's not interested in a sincere debate. He's having his fun. To be honest I can't blame him too much either. The reality is kinda depressing
 

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all i've done is state my opinion on the poor quality of forwards on the team...that's the biggest problem of the team

it's interesting that you guys consider that trolling

the reality is that we are still 4th...when we finish the season in 4th, that will be the furthest thing from depressing since spring 2013...truly spectacular
 

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Appreciate your post.

Therefore I don't blame the coach because it's simpler, but because I think that many of the shortcomings you describe come from the decisions of Gattuso. For example: while we don't have real wingers, why are we still playing a 4-3-3 after 18 months? How is it possible that we change formation three or four times within one game (Parma)? Has Gattuso still not figured out what's best suited to this team?

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all i've done is state my opinion on the poor quality of forwards on the team...that's the biggest problem of the team

it's interesting that you guys consider that trolling

the reality is that we are still 4th...when we finish the season in 4th, that will be the furthest thing from depressing since spring 2013...truly spectacular

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Sarri is one-dimensional and stubborn coach, Chelsea fans are going nuts because he's forcing same formation and players whole season. Doesn't matter how bad someone is, he will play under Sarri, that guy doesn't know for rotation and plan B.
I love his football but the more I follow him, the less I like him.

On the other hand, Conte will be expensive. Gasperini... idk, I have doubts about him and if he's able to be in big club.


Fuck, we don't have many options but we have to choose someone. :o

So Conte isnt one dimensional? Theyre all playing just one type of football with one formation, so idk what ure on about. I'd rather have one dimension but by a specialist who knows what he's doing and not constant formation changes and experiments that bring nothing.
 
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Sarri is one-dimensional and stubborn coach, Chelsea fans are going nuts because he's forcing same formation and players whole season. Doesn't matter how bad someone is, he will play under Sarri, that guy doesn't know for rotation and plan B.
I love his football but the more I follow him, the less I like him.

On the other hand, Conte will be expensive. Gasperini... idk, I have doubts about him and if he's able to be in big club.


Fuck, we don't have many options but we have to choose someone. :o

Chelsea fans are morons.
 

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all i've done is state my opinion on the poor quality of forwards on the team...that's the biggest problem of the team

it's interesting that you guys consider that trolling

the reality is that we are still 4th...when we finish the season in 4th, that will be the furthest thing from depressing since spring 2013...truly spectacular

Our forwards are most definitely not the problem.
Piatek was scoring for fun in the pre-Grintastic era.
Suso had his ups and downs...but wasn't this pathetic....hell even Higuain was doing well before coming to Milan.

The issue was always SUPPLY and chance creation.
Both of which Gattuso has historically been poor at.
His concept of what it takes to create chances is quite frankly haphazard at best and makes him look like a fuckin n00b at worse.

His choices when in faced with these situations is borderline comical. The Lazio game was practically screaming out for Paqueta. And for those who says it wasn't worth the risk....then why the FUCK was he on the bench in the first place? Instead Rino MassterMarks it and brings on an even less creative player than Samu :fp:

I am not ignoring the issue you are raising with the fact that there are holes in the squad and his circumstances aren't ideal...but it isn't for anyone really. Also it isn't just about Lazio. If we lost Vs Lazio but we were generally able to deal with the shit teams then Raz and I wouldn't be bitching at all...but it seems that we simply don't have an offense. And that is not the forwards fault.... that's on Rino. I have given him full credit for fixing the defense. Our not having an attack is on him.
 

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i think sarri would provide consistency for the first time in years, leo is already looking for wingers and we already play the 433. This would be good for kessie as he would get a coach that would teach him positioning in the midfield and passing lanes, if he cant succeed under sarri than...



Baka didn't really play for sarri right? i think hes talented enough to fill the cdm role but Tonali tho... sarri would nut all over the place


Bakayoko is far from a sarri type of player.
 

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Our forwards are most definitely not the problem.
Piatek was scoring for fun in the pre-Grintastic era.
Suso had his ups and downs...but wasn't this pathetic....hell even Higuain was doing well before coming to Milan.

The issue was always SUPPLY and chance creation.
Both of which Gattuso has historically been poor at.
His concept of what it takes to create chances is quite frankly haphazard at best and makes him look like a fuckin n00b at worse.

His choices when in faced with these situations is borderline comical. The Lazio game was practically screaming out for Paqueta. And for those who says it wasn't worth the risk....then why the FUCK was he on the bench in the first place? Instead Rino MassterMarks it and brings on an even less creative player than Samu :fp:

I am not ignoring the issue you are raising with the fact that there are holes in the squad and his circumstances aren't ideal...but it isn't for anyone really. Also it isn't just about Lazio. If we lost Vs Lazio but we were generally able to deal with the shit teams then Raz and I wouldn't be bitching at all...but it seems that we simply don't have an offense. And that is not the forwards fault.... that's on Rino. I have given him full credit for fixing the defense. Our not having an attack is on him.

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The thing that this Milan needs is more muscle and more speed. Keep Kessie, buy Bakayoko and get me those pacey Brazilians that get Robinho comparisons. Thank you very much.

Enough with this freekick maestro that can't hit a freekick and the Spaniard and his half season siesta. Gattuso isn't without his faults but try playing offensively with players like these two. It's like fucking a snake - no matter how hard you try to imagine a good ending, there simply is no happy end in store with this situation.
 

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Everyone shares the blame. Tactics are non-existent, coach still makes the same naive mistakes game after game.

Players are just as clueless and management didn’t ensure to fill the holes. the team is still poorly equipped even with the 70m spent last mercato.


I lost count on how many times we conceded a goal after failing to be a threat on a set piece, it’s embarrassing.

Suso and hakan didn’t become inconsistent this year, we have had the same problem in years before with Suso.

Laxalt wasn’t this poor at Genoa and many players don’t look this bad with their national teams.

Every game feels like a preseason for a newly made team, there is no unity in the play and everyone is doing whatever the fuck he pleases.

What’s worrying is we took a very good striker last January and managed to turn him to shit in less than 3 months but yeah the coach isn’t to blame.
 
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This summer I'd love to see us signing:

- Tonali
- 2 of the following:
--> Neres/Chiesa/Everton/Malcom

- I don't think this is unrealistic at all
- move to a 4-2-3-1 to advance Paqueta slightly so we can fill our biggest issue.. linking mid with attack so that we can start creating better chances for the striker(s)
- this brings in a creative midfielder and brings in 2 wide men who can actually beat their man, create, and score some.. definitely all things we lack right now and what needs the most attention if we are to elevate

---------------------Piatek---------------------
Neres/Ever------Paqueta----------Malc/Chie
--------------Baka---------Tonali------------
Rod----------Roma--------Calda--------Cal/Cont
---------------------Donna---------------------
 

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Appreciate your post.

I think for the most part we're on the same page. Mainly that sacking Gattuso now probably won't change anything. Or that our squad has limitations, flaws and weaknesses. I think no one here denies that. The question is who's more to blame for our current crisis: the players or the coach?

I am very convinced that a coach has far more influence on his team than others who would say a coach can't work miracles when his players are shit. But when even Chievo or Parma seem to have more attacks per game than we have, and basically every team in top 10 and some out of it – you can't tell me that all those teams have a better squad than our, right?

Therefore I don't blame the coach because it's simpler, but because I think that many of the shortcomings you describe come from the decisions of Gattuso. For example: while we don't have real wingers, why are we still playing a 4-3-3 after 18 months? How is it possible that we change formation three or four times within one game (Parma)? Has Gattuso still not figured out what's best suited to this team? Or is it me who's not able to see what's all this confusion about that infects the players and shows in the way they look as clueless as their coach?

Or this build up from behind, that drove us into troubles many times this season because we don't have players to do that. I mean I don't know: Is Gattuso trying to copy Barca or what? With Baka/Kessie imitating Xavi/Iniesta? Our build up with all that passing around is slow and sterile, and when put under pressure error-prone. If you don't have the players then stop that shit. Or show them how it's done correctly, but Rino is too limited obviously.

Samu is only one of many players missmanaged. Yes, Samu is no worldbeater by any means. But we know that the left side is his weaker side. Yet Rino starts him only there because God forbid Rino benches Suso in order to start Samu on the right side (beside that one time Suso was suspended and Samu MOTM with 1 goal and 1 assist). When he gets some minutes and doesn't shine, Rino lets him rot on the bench the next three games. The other spanish untouchable instead seems to have carte blanche to do dogshit since 4 months without ever being benched. How is this fair to Samu? How is he supposed to find rhytm and momentum if only played occasionally and on the wrong position?

Caldara... Well let's not go into it since you admit that Gattuso mismanaged him as well :).

You know. At this point the system we play is irrelevant. That's what I wanted to say in my previous post. It doesn't change much if you move this or that player a little bit around the pitch. Or who we field. Our problem has much more to do with limited tactics, non existend schemes and midtable mindsets when we go to Parma and worry more about not conceding instead of bombing them out of their stadiums. The regularity of how we gave away entire 1sr halfes through the year is another aspect that indicates how badly Gattuso prepares those games. It can happen that he completely fails two or three times the preparation of a game. But not that many times that it happened to us. Another user posted a statistic that we already lost 18 points from a leading position. How is it possible that a team coached by Ringio Gattuso is so weak psychologically?

So yeah all that to say that I basically agree with you . I see the limits of our squad. But no one is asking them to win the Scudetto. I blame more the coach because in that egg/chicken question I think most of our problems are a result of Rinos coaching, not the other way around.
Yes, very good post.

Summs it up.
 

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Not hating on Tonali per se because he may very well be a top tier talent but I think a team in our situation needs more established players at this point. Not necessarily full blown starts but at least top tier proven players.

Is Tonali ready for Serie A football week in week out? Hard to say and I am not so keep on gambling on our season for that.

That Fernandes guy? More like that but even that is a risk as we've seen Silva was decent in Portugal despite actually not being a football player.
 

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Everyone shares the blame. Tactics are non-existent, coach still makes the same naive mistakes game after game.

Players are just as clueless and management didn’t ensure to fill the holes. the team is still poorly equipped even with the 70m spent last mercato.


I lost count on how many times we conceded a goal after failing to be a threat on a set piece, it’s embarrassing.

Suso and hakan didn’t become inconsistent this year, we have had the same problem in years before with Suso.

Laxalt wasn’t this poor at Genoa and many players don’t look this bad with their national teams.

Every game feels like a preseason for a newly made team, there is no unity in the play and everyone is doing whatever the fuck he pleases.

What’s worrying is we took a very good striker last January and managed to turn him to shit in less than 3 months but yeah the coach isn’t to blame.

:(
 

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Milan are looking for their new manager and a lot depends on whether they can get Champions League football.

- With Champions League they would target Maurizio Sarri and Leonardo Jardim.

Without Champions League they would look at Di Francesco and Giampaolo.

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all i've done is state my opinion on the poor quality of forwards on the team...that's the biggest problem of the team

it's interesting that you guys consider that trolling

the reality is that we are still 4th...when we finish the season in 4th, that will be the furthest thing from depressing since spring 2013...truly spectacular

Good bit of nuancing there. If the season ends with top 4 it's a flaming success. If not it's the biggest let down in years.
 
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