Vincenzo Montella Thread

[Ronin]

Originally Posted by Mexes5

Gattuso at this point would be better, which is insane.

Was thinking the same. This just can't get any worse.

[unda]

Originally Posted by Qaas

That slow passing game is fucking annoying

I have no problem with a slow passing game, but not with players all over the place not occupying right positions, non existent pressing game (bar the first 5minutes of every match), no scheme to create chances etc.. It's just a complete mess.

[Sage]

this is the laziest, most uninspiring milan side i've ever seen, even pippo's milan wasn't this bad.

[leaf]

If I wanted to be generous, I could say that he's always had a pacy attacker down the flanks.... whether it was Cudrado, Niang or Deulofeu. If the loss of Conti hurt him that badly....why not revert to a flat back 4 and let Abate overlap with Suso? The tactics and approach today we're utterly disgusting and totally his fault.

Both strikers were completely starved of the ball because there was no system in place to feed them. Not even aerial crosses.....even playing Silva as a LW would have been better than this shit.

[KujaIX]

Originally Posted by Sage

this is the laziest, most uninspiring milan side i've ever seen, even pippo's milan wasn't this bad.

Completely agree.

A care home for those with Multiple Sclerosis has more mobility and urgency than current Milan.

[KujaIX]

Originally Posted by leaf

If I wanted to be generous, I could say that he's always had a pacy attacker down the flanks.... whether it was Cudrado, Niang or Deulofeu. If the loss of Conti hurt him that badly....why not revert to a flat back 4 and let Abate overlap with Suso? The tactics and approach today we're utterly disgusting and totally his fault.

Both strikers were completely starved of the ball because there was no system in place to feed them. Not even aerial crosses.....even playing Silva as a LW would have been better than this shit.

We would have been better with Conti, I'm sure but let's not try and pretend that he'll have energised Milan to such an extent.

We are so poor it's unbelievable.

We are currently around Everton level, imo. Probably more static but less likely to concede.

[Legio IV GrintaBoyz]

Montella is literally worse than Hitler.

[Rickaka]

i thought he was about attractive football?

we're not even losing points due to being naive.. it's just.. nothing.

[nuttela]

I blame this man for missing more milan games this season than the last two combined. How flaccid have we become?

[Colossus]

You could see from the lineup chosen today that it would be the most static team ever with terrible off the ball movement. Even if we dominated possession we would have struggled to score. 3 centerbacks, 2 static midfielders, a static trequartista, a left back who lacks the legs to play wingback and cover the entire flank, a striker who prefers the ball to feet, and then Borini and Cutrone the only ones who move decently off the ball. A 0-0 does not surprise me one bit.

Vincenzo.....here is your recipe:

442

Abate/Calabria Bonucci Romagnoli/Musacchio RR

Suso/Hakan Kessie/Monto Biglia/Loca Bona/Borini

Andre Silva Cutrone/Kalinic

I don't want to see Suso and Hakan in the same team in a 442 as one of the wide midfielders needs to be making off the ball runs towards goal, and Bona and Borini are the ones better at that. Bona/Borini have more dynamism so need to play from the left side.

If Montella wants to morph to a 3 man backline in game he can do it with these same players on the pitch......Bona/Borini as Leftwingback and Abate/Calabria as rightwingback.......but must play 2 strikers and a dynamic runner to have any hope of scoring goals.

442 is also a very good shape to get right defensively and we can switch it up to how we played early last season......remember when we praised Montella for being pragmatic and getting the team to defend properly and counter? We got results and then slowly but surely started to add in a bit more of the Montella style, but we did not have the players to be successful with it then.

Please recognise that this situation is almost like our very early season last year Vincenzo and bring back that pragmatic side to get results. We can always give it another go in the market next year to get the right players, but we need to be top 4 to be able to do that. It is damage control at this point now, not trying to build something new.

[leaf]

Originally Posted by Colossus

You could see from the lineup chosen today that it would be the most static team ever with terrible off the ball movement. Even if we dominated possession we would have struggled to score. 3 centerbacks, 2 static midfielders, a static trequartista, a left back who lacks the legs to play wingback and cover the entire flank, a striker who prefers the ball to feet, and then Borini and Cutrone the only ones who move decently off the ball. A 0-0 does not surprise me one bit.

Vincenzo.....here is your recipe:

442

Abate/Calabria Bonucci Romagnoli/Musacchio RR

Suso/Hakan Kessie/Monto Biglia/Loca Bona/Borini

Andre Silva Cutrone/Kalinic

I don't want to see Suso and Hakan in the same team in a 442 as one of the wide midfielders needs to be making off the ball runs towards goal, and Bona and Borini are the ones better at that. Bona/Borini have more dynamism so need to play from the left side.

If Montella wants to morph to a 3 man backline in game he can do it with these same players on the pitch......Bona/Borini as Leftwingback and Abate/Calabria as rightwingback.......but must play 2 strikers and a dynamic runner to have any hope of scoring goals.

442 is also a very good shape to get right defensively and we can switch it up to how we played early last season......remember when we praised Montella for being pragmatic and getting the team to defend properly and counter? We got results and then slowly but surely started to add in a bit more of the Montella style, but we did not have the players to be successful with it then.

Please recognise that this situation is almost like our very early season last year Vincenzo and bring back that pragmatic side to get results. We can always give it another go in the market next year to get the right players, but we need to be top 4 to be able to do that. It is damage control at this point now, not trying to build something new.

Stevie and Ray Charles (from beyond) already see that a 4-4-2 and the tactics involved in that formation would be best bet....but Bontella hasn't seen it yet

For some ungodly reason he keeps tying Milan's fate to Bonucci's inability to play CB in a flat back 4. At this (desperate) stage Bonucci and his alleged quality needs to be sacrificed for Milan to get results.

[Sage]

bonucci had excellent performances in a back 4 for juve when allegri switched to 4132 in 14/15 and 4231 in 16/17

we live in a world where people doubt a 6x champion and hype a kid from a weak league who scored less than half the goals bas dost scored.

[mato]

Why is he still our manager?

[kevin_dk]

Vincenzo MONTELLA Vincenzo MONTELLA Vincenzo MONTELLA *glider celebration*

[forward]

Please sign any coach who promises to play a 4 men defense.

[joyrider]

Originally Posted by mato

Why is he still our manager?

He respects his contract.

[ibelongtomilan]

cant count how much i hate this guy, just gtfo asap please, and never come back

[leaf]

Originally Posted by Sage

bonucci had excellent performances in a back 4 for juve when allegri switched to 4132 in 14/15 and 4231 in 16/17

we live in a world where people doubt a 6x champion and hype a kid from a weak league who scored less than half the goals bas dost scored.

If a watermelon was part of the Juventus squad during those championships it would have scudetto medals too

The "weak league" argument is horseshit. So many fantastic, Ballon 'D Or level players came from these weak leagues that it does not even merit addressing.

This is not a matter of doubt vs hype. This is a matter of watching the games to see who performs, who doesn't perform, and who shows promise.

If you actually watched our games, you can see that Bonucci has been shit...and Silva, while not producing what we hoped he would produce, shows that he can produce if we support him a tad. He can beat one, maybe two defenders to create the space to shoot, but he's not Neymar or Messi level. He also isn't slow but can't really beat ppl with speed. So he needs, to get the ball close to the top of the box before the defense has organized and converged on him. For this we either need a proper way to move the ball up the field. We don't have this consistently, so we can't expect consistency.

Our other strikers have it worse, because they can only make their off the ball runs, in and around the box and try to finish off moves....but given that the ball didn't even reach midfield much, they are even less effective than Silva. They might get a scrap here and there but that's all their influence. Again, not their fault.

As I said earlier, we're at the stage where sacrifices and tough decisions need to be made. I hoped that Bonucci would have automagically turned into Nesta 2.0 here and would have captained us into the promised land. As it turns out, for Milan he is a very weak marker and his supposed strength, passing out of the defense isn't particularly useful for a team that has 0 sense of positioning. Hence he's been shit. He wouldn't always be shit. But for now, strictly as a centre back, he's not effective. That's not hard to see.

I really shouldn't have to explain this to you if you've been watching our games. What Bonucci did in the past and what he's won in the past doesn't matter. $heva came to Chelsea as a Golden Ball, CL and Scudetto winner....and was shit. Why he was shit didn't matter. He didn't do his job as a striker for Chelsea and Mourinho decided to bench him regardless of his reputation. Drogba, who came from the shit French League, did more and thus played

[Sage]

bonucci gets the benefit of the doubt because he's a champion, nobodies don't..it is what it is.


+ why did andre silva score less than half the goals bas dost scored?

[leaf]

Originally Posted by Sage

bonucci gets the benefit of the doubt because he's a champion, nobodies don't..it is what it is.


+ why did andre silva score less than half the goals bas dost scored?

IDK Maybe Silva is MUCH younger than Dost and plays in a more withdrawn role perhaps?

Why Did Shevchenko score less than one third the goals Yakubu scored in the Prem?

We can play this dumb game all day.