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View Poll Results: Who will win La Liga and which two teams will complete the top 4?
Real Madrid - Winners 53 63.86%
Barcelona - Winners 40 48.19%
Valencia - Top 4 31 37.35%
Real Betis - Top 4 13 15.66%
Sevilla - Top 4 20 24.10%
Real Sociedad - Top 4 12 14.46%
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Old 29-08-2011, 20:50   #10261
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What a pass by Messi on that one.
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Old 29-08-2011, 20:52   #10262
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What a loosing mentality from Villareal barca are going through them without even bothering


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Old 29-08-2011, 20:52   #10263
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Villarreal is done, HT 2-0.


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Old 29-08-2011, 20:53   #10264
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Old 29-08-2011, 20:58   #10265
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I really find it ridiculous and awesome what barca is doing tactically though.

Seriously ONE recognized defender. I'll give Pep credit for this. In an era where everyone and their mom uses a 4-2-3-1, he's come up with a unique system/outlook that keeps evolving.

Thats why i wanted lugano. Counter the midgets with our 5 CB system- Nesta, Thiago, Yepes, Mexes, Lugano.


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Old 29-08-2011, 21:00   #10266
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Good game plan so far, weird shape for Barca but it seems to be working though I still feel that Alexis is out of place. Hes hardly seen the ball and when he has he hasnt done anything productive with it. The chemistry between Cesc and Leo is immense, Iniesta and Pedro included at times. Thiago's done well so far, kept it very simple and im surprised at his tracking back. Note: Pedro also seems uncomfy on the LW, maybe a swap with Alexis?

Villarreal are sitting back but cant defend and go forward with only 2 to 3 players against five or six of Barca. Long balls are not going to help having Rossi up front.

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Old 29-08-2011, 21:04   #10267
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I really find it ridiculous and awesome what barca is doing tactically though.

Seriously ONE recognized defender. I'll give Pep credit for this. In an era where everyone and their mom uses a 4-2-3-1, he's come up with a unique system/outlook that keeps evolving.

Thats why i wanted lugano. Counter the midgets with our 5 CB system- Nesta, Thiago, Yepes, Mexes, Lugano.
http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/06/...-2010-tactics/

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Old 29-08-2011, 21:08   #10268
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I think only you and Sven can understand me, but don't you feel like good defending skills are a dying breed these days? It angers me how much space teams leave at times (in general not just in here, but everywhere, with very few exceptions), how much freedom near their area and how much of a pussies defenders have become when it comes to marking/tackling (they go back and back instead of trying to confront their opponent). I guess the introduction of possession as a way of defending is part of this (hence why you can use DMs CMs as CBs and be succesful), but geez, if you're the one that isn't in control of possession (as well 99% of teams are when they face Barcelona) you have to do go back to basics and actually defend (or is that people are now to afraid of the Xavi's in the world that will make you feel bad for using defensive tactics?)
In my experience, kids just aren't taught how to defend properly anymore. Everything I know about defending came from my dad, not from my clubs' coaches. Is South America not still teaching kids the right things?

In the case of Villareal tonight, it's mainly the total lack of intensity in Villareal's defending that's pissing me off. I know most teams will travel to Barcelona with a sense of grim inevitability, but I'd still expect them to run hard until the first goal goes in, at the very least.

Rossi and Nilmar are also letting them down badly. As a striker, when Barca squeeze way up to the half way line, you can't just fucking stand still with your back to goal and wait for a ball to feet. Why are they not running the channels? They're depriving their team mates of any sort of outlet.

Speaking of shit defending, Villareal have just conceded a goal through the worst offside trap I've seen for quite some time.

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What a pass by Messi on that one.
Villareal put no pressure on the ball, left a space in behind their backline and didn't track Fabregas' run. That goal was a gift.

Messi did what he had to do competently, as he almost invariably does, but nobody would feel the need to comment on someone like Özil (or virtually anyone else) playing a pass like that.
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Old 29-08-2011, 21:09   #10269
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I really find it ridiculous and awesome what barca is doing tactically though.

Seriously ONE recognized defender. I'll give Pep credit for this. In an era where everyone and their mom uses a 4-2-3-1, he's come up with a unique system/outlook that keeps evolving.

Thats why i wanted lugano. Counter the midgets with our 5 CB system- Nesta, Thiago, Yepes, Mexes, Lugano.
Lugano went to psg for 3mil

I'd love him here.


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Old 29-08-2011, 21:09   #10270
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Old 29-08-2011, 21:11   #10271
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Villareal put no pressure on the ball, left a space in behind their backline and didn't track Fabregas' run. That goal was a gift.

Messi did what he had to do competently, as he almost invariably does, but nobody would feel the need to comment on someone like Özil (or virtually anyone else) playing a pass like that.
which is why he struggles with argentina comparatively, imo.

so many teams play with a defeatist attitude v. barca and let messi shit on them. Not saying he needs them to bend over.. but you dont need to make it easier


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Old 29-08-2011, 21:11   #10272
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This is just so lame.


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Old 29-08-2011, 21:13   #10273
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Old 29-08-2011, 21:13   #10274
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Seriously ONE recognized defender.
I think people are overstating this. Mascherano plays like a defender. And tonight, Busquets is being just as irrelevant as usual, but 10 yards deeper.
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Old 29-08-2011, 21:14   #10275
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I seriously think Villareal are getting paid for losing this...


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Old 29-08-2011, 21:16   #10276
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Old 29-08-2011, 21:17   #10277
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Villareal put no pressure on the ball, left a space in behind their backline and didn't track Fabregas' run. That goal was a gift.

Messi did what he had to do competently, as he almost invariably does, but nobody would feel the need to comment on someone like Özil (or virtually anyone else) playing a pass like that.
And it wasn't the first time that kinda run was just completly ignored. Iniesta had made the exact same run from the left at least twice, where the only thing that saved Villareal was imprecise passing from Barcelona.

Tbh La Liga has become a bit dumb lately. I mean, even though Real Madrid and Barcelona have dominated the league for a long time now, Valencia, Sevilla etc. used to be way better. Villareal, Valencia, Sevilla all lost star players without replacing them, and as a result Barcelona can beat Villareal with 4-0 without it really being a surprise.
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Old 29-08-2011, 21:21   #10278
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Game over Villareal, 4-0. If they were fighting and doing their best, even losing huge like this, no problem. But this is just bullshit, get a fucking grip!!!
Is there only two competitive teams in La Liga?


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Old 29-08-2011, 21:24   #10279
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Villareal, Valencia are just as competitive as Napoli, Udinese or Juve..it's just that RM and Barca make them look worse than they really are.
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Old 29-08-2011, 21:31   #10280
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In my experience, kids just aren't taught how to defend properly anymore. Everything I know about defending came from my dad, not from my clubs' coaches. Is South America not still teaching kids the right things?
South America is probably the only place were proper defending is still taught (Paraguay, Uruguay, Colombia, even Venezuela has gathered a thing or two, and actually Brazil is producing more and more defensive style of players-but Mano has no idea how to use them cause he prefers fantasiaaa!)...I believe it's one of the reasons why Messi has issues performing with Argentina, he's not used to these guys and these guys will do anything to make life impossible when the ref ain't seeing and they won't leave you alone throughout the whole game.

I do believe zonal marking is partly "at fault" for this, but then there's some really amateurish mistakes that are repeated over and over, stuff that one would believe it's taught at youth levels or that at least your coach tells you before the game "listen once Cristiano is nearing the edge of the area, instead of backing away, you have to try to make him uncomfortable, you tackle him, if it's dangerous for a FK, then you just try to bug the shit out of him to make him lose possession or make a mistake".


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