Nigel de Jong Thread

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I`m serious. I didn`t say he was a playmaker, but that he has good passing skills.

He rarely makes a wrong pass, and his long passes are so much better than Montolivo`s.
Maybe his long passes are good. But what I meant to say was the amount of time he takes to distribute the ball is just too long. But I guess beggars can't be choosers :head:
 

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Maybe his long passes are good. But what I meant to say was the amount of time he takes to distribute the ball is just too long. But I guess beggars can't be choosers :head:

Well, in his defence, the movement of the other players infront of him isn't great and that makes things difficult for NdJ
 

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Well, in his defence, the movement of the other players infront of him isn't great and that makes things difficult for NdJ
I am not sure, I saw many players who were in better positions than him today and it looked as if he was holding up play.
 

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Maybe his long passes are good. But what I meant to say was the amount of time he takes to distribute the ball is just too long. But I guess beggars can't be choosers :head:

He takes that extra second in possession so that he can, *gasp*, play the best pass given his situation. De Jong thinking smartly isn't his problem.

IMO, this was his best performance this season. Stellar work from our midget bosslord. :thumbsup:
 

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well, we can all agree that he's a much needed player and works amazingly hard. but I think I have to agree to a certain extent with Italian tsar. but i'll rephrase it a bit. when I saw de jong today I found that while remarkably similar to van bommel, there was a difference in the way they play distribution. and I believe that van bommel did a better job of it, than de jong currently does. that's my only qualm about him. he takes longer, with more indirect passes.

but it has to be considered that, imo when van bommel was here, we played differently. van bommel played more central as a true CDM (cuz we had nesta and silva in defence ). de jong doesn't seem to be doing that and plays further back, right in front of the defense as a sweeper. so when in possession, he brings the ball forward, before distributing.

it can also be said that in this particular case, de jong was just being very cautious with his passes due to the mentality of the team on the pitch and w/e.

this is not to take anything away from him though, and i'm definitely not complaining. he's been brilliant for us.
 

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He takes that extra second in possession so that he can, *gasp*, play the best pass given his situation. De Jong thinking smartly isn't his problem.

IMO, this was his best performance this season. Stellar work from our midget bosslord. :thumbsup:
He's no Pirlo, alright? He carries out his brief effectively -- muzzling the opposition & protecting the defense -- but he's not the best passer of the ball. I'll say that despite his performance today. Flaws are flaws, and I can't overlook them just because he did well today.

well, we can all agree that he's a much needed player and works amazingly hard. but I think I have to agree to a certain extent with Italian tsar. but i'll rephrase it a bit. when I saw de jong today I found that while remarkably similar to van bommel, there was a difference in the way they play distribution. and I believe that van bommel did a better job of it, than de jong currently does. that's my only qualm about him. he takes longer, with more indirect passes.

but it has to be considered that, imo when van bommel was here, we played differently. van bommel played more central as a true CDM (cuz we had nesta and silva in defence ). de jong doesn't seem to be doing that and plays further back, right in front of the defense as a sweeper. so when in possession, he brings the ball forward, before distributing.

it can also be said that in this particular case, de jong was just being very cautious with his passes due to the mentality of the team on the pitch and w/e.

this is not to take anything away from him though, and i'm definitely not complaining. he's been brilliant for us.
I agree. I am not questioning his defensive contribution, but when the team transitions from defense to offense, he's a bit of a liability IMO. Maybe the tense atmosphere in the team contributed to it, but I hope he can improve on it.
 

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He's no Pirlo, alright? He carries out his brief effectively -- muzzling the opposition & protecting the defense -- but he's not the best passer of the ball. I'll say that despite his performance today. Flaws are flaws, and I can't overlook them just because he did well today.

This all seems moot to me. It's unneeded posturing to point out flaws of his game when we all agree De Jong was brilliant and has been so all season long. Stating De Jong isn't good in the air or can't pass like Pirlo is like saying Abbiati doesn't have hair and Abate isn't bald. The point of saying this is?? :lol:
 

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This all seems moot to me. It's unneeded posturing to point out flaws of his game when we all agree De Jong was brilliant and has been so all season long. Stating De Jong isn't good in the air or can't pass like Pirlo is like saying Abbiati doesn't have hair and Abate isn't bald. The point of saying this is?? :lol:
Because what you said was personal and I was talking about football :)
 

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I just think we play a different system now as compared to when van bommel was here. its not a problem to me. its just a difference I actually noticed today between de jong and van bommel.
 

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He's no Pirlo, alright? He carries out his brief effectively -- muzzling the opposition & protecting the defense -- but he's not the best passer of the ball. I'll say that despite his performance today. Flaws are flaws, and I can't overlook them just because he did well today.


I agree. I am not questioning his defensive contribution, but when the team transitions from defense to offense, he's a bit of a liability IMO. Maybe the tense atmosphere in the team contributed to it, but I hope he can improve on it.

Of course DeJong is not Pirlo. Hell, even Van Bommel was not Pirlo either; however, Van Bommel was just very effective and had great read of the game plus he was quick to pass the ball to our playmakers at that time. We do not have a Pirlo in our team and I do not think we should look for one.
IMHO, if Cristante can hone his defensive skills he can get near to a Van Bommel than a Pirlo.
 

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Maybe his long passes are good. But what I meant to say was the amount of time he takes to distribute the ball is just too long. But I guess beggars can't be choosers :head:

Absolutely true. Great assist yesterday, but we need someone better to begin attacks quickly. De Jong simply isn't that player.

Or we are all still stuck in memories of Pirlo's days. Caviar-Pizza situation again.
 

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caviar :lol: pirlo in his last 4 years was nothing more than average.



great assist by de jong.
 

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He aint Pirlo correct. But hes been given the Pirlo role so far and it screws the whole build up. He never makes the right pass he makes the safe pass and slows the crapp out of our game. He should just do the Gattuso role for us.
 

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caviar :lol: pirlo in his last 4 years was nothing more than average.



great assist by de jong.

wrdaments :cool::cool:

He aint Pirlo correct. But hes been given the Pirlo role so far and it screws the whole build up. He never makes the right pass he makes the safe pass and slows the crapp out of our game. He should just do the Gattuso role for us.

well...idk...it all depends on how our forwards run when going forward with the ball...and then this depends on what formations we play. so idk...

EDIT: to me, its like the pirlo role has been divided between him and monto based on how they play. in theory this should have made us more effective....lol
 

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He aint Pirlo correct. But hes been given the Pirlo role so far and it screws the whole build up. He never makes the right pass he makes the safe pass and slows the crapp out of our game. He should just do the Gattuso role for us.

MAYBE... just maybe.. he is following instructions from the coach :eek::eek::eek:
 

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He aint Pirlo correct. But hes been given the Pirlo role so far and it screws the whole build up. He never makes the right pass he makes the safe pass and slows the crapp out of our game. He should just do the Gattuso role for us.

De Jong has never been given the 'Pirlo' or regista role. He is a defensive midfielder, his job has been and always has been regaining and retaining possession.

The only player with the calmness under possession and passing ability in our squad to play the regista role is Kaka but so much of his game would be wasted there.

De Jong playing the safe pass is the least of our worries, given that the vast majority of the time it's a completed pass. Long ball assists should be seen as bonuses from NDJ rather than obligatory. Our real problem seems to be movement in and around the box, a lot of the time it's just so static.
 

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De Jong has never been given the 'Pirlo' or regista role. He is a defensive midfielder, his job has been and always has been regaining and retaining possession.

The only player with the calmness under possession and passing ability in our squad to play the regista role is Kaka but so much of his game would be wasted there.

De Jong playing the safe pass is the least of our worries, given that the vast majority of the time it's a completed pass. Long ball assists should be seen as bonuses from NDJ rather than obligatory. Our real problem seems to be movement in and around the box, a lot of the time it's just so static.

All Well said.:thumbsup:

Been saying this for months.
 

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Ran the game. Really good again from him.
 

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This guy frustrates me; someone's lied to him that he is Xavi and that isn't helping. He needs to understand we love him for the headless crazy he's always been.
 

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This guy frustrates me; someone's lied to him that he is Xavi and that isn't helping. He needs to understand we love him for the headless crazy he's always been.

I don't agree, think he's been our best player this year. He'll have to distribute the ball due to the position he's playing, and he's doing it very well. He certainly isn't over-ambitious in his passing if that's what you're angling at, stats show that.

Celtic wasn't his best game though
 

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I don't agree, think he's been our best player this year. He'll have to distribute the ball due to the position he's playing, and he's doing it very well. He certainly isn't over-ambitious in his passing if that's what you're angling at, stats show that.

Celtic wasn't his best game though

Time wasting and ball loosing are the two things that get me nervy. I'd rather see him making interceptions-he does that better than anyone else. The ball distribution isn't his thing and most importantly, it frustrates me.
 

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I don't agree, think he's been our best player this year. He'll have to distribute the ball due to the position he's playing, and he's doing it very well. He certainly isn't over-ambitious in his passing if that's what you're angling at, stats show that.

Celtic wasn't his best game though

Only those who know nothing about football cant see all the important work he does for us. De Jong is by far our best player this season.
 

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If Nigel frustrates you, you're doing something wrong.

Nigel <3

I doubt it; we need someone-not just one person-to be in charge of the passing. De Jong is best at retrieving the ball, we need him for that especially as Abate can only give the ball to an opponent.
It's not the case that I don't appreciate his work as someone else suggested. It is that he is better, way better at some other aspect of the game. I reckon when he have Honda as rumored and some other passers, De Jong will return to ball getting.
 

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