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Scepticism endures though and the 41-year-old is never more than one bad result or lacklustre performance away from the usual grumbles about whether Milan are really sure they can't do better. Put it down to the view of Gattuso as all passion and no philosophy, never mind that this viewpoint painfully ignores that the restoration of identity, standards and spirit is exactly what's required at Milanello these days over some empty tactical gimmickry with its own hashtag and social media cult.
Is this champagne grintics?
over some empty tactical gimmickry with its own hashtag and social media cult.
http://www.espn.com/soccer/italian-...in-position-to-return-to-the-champions-league
Horncastle's take on our journey, with this wonderfully accurate line:
#sarriball of course.
And a general comment which I’ve often repeated here as well. Tactical systems are overrated in modern football.
What exactely do you mean by tactical system?
I mean.. Look at Bologna. Pippo is a coach that I know for not having tactical systems - or a „signature“, a game plan to say so - but since they have Sinisa they are playing very good and giving headaches to all opponents since then.
Empoli too changed his gameplan to the better since they appointed the new coach (sitting deeper and launching fast conters. If their players yesterday didn‘t executed those counters so miserably they could have put us under more pressure).
I mean we all know it‘s not only about tactical systems. But it‘s not man management neither. A coach has to be so much. Sarri IMO has lost the lockerroom weeks ago, and Chelsea is known for kind a toxic lockerroom. His tactics doesn‘t help him when he‘s not backed by his players. Rino also always says how he and his stuff make „suggestions“ to the player but in the end it‘s on them accepting and believing in them.
A motivated team will fail without tactics (look at our december run where we looked like our players didn‘t know what to do with a ball) but in the same time all the tactics in the world doesn‘t help you as a coach when you‘re not backed by your players.
What I've been saying here for a while when posters get obsessed about tactics is that tactics are always secondary to knowing how to manage a squad and how to get your players in the right conditions to play their natural game.
Any manager coaching in a high level league has a tactical system. Gattuso has a clear tactical system. When he becomes successful, some guy will make a youtube video about it and then it will become branded. Until then, many people can't see it and will keep saying he doesn't have any tactics. You, other posters, I have all discussed various aspects of his tactics in various threads in this forum.
So there's no question of tactics not being there at all. Beppe Iachini, Di Carlo, Nicola.. they all have tactical systems.
But it is always secondary to knowing how to manage a squad. Sarri is proving to be the classic example. He does not know how to manage diverse squads. He has a rigid, fixed way of playing football (his tactical system) and he tries to make some 14-15 players play that way - while ignoring the rest and not considering alternate styles that might suit his squad. He's open about it and clubs who hire him should know that that's what they are buying into.
In modern football, such a tactician will not be successful if he cannot manage a squad and grow his players. For me it's clear - man management first, tactics second.
You don't need to specify that tactics are needed.. like I said, any manager worth his salt in a high level league, has a tactical system and a team of coaches who do obsess about it. It is just overstated these days because of the profusion of online analysts who create videos and long blog posts about it. None of this is new.
Gattuso proving to be a master at man management. Losing count to how many players said he's a 'father figure' to them.
Also he's playing a fairly progressive playing out from the back possession-first system, and his defending has been solid in a rigid 4141 block. People were going crazy in the beginning seeing how crap we were at playing out from the back, it seemed totally wrong and we lost a LOT of possession in extremely dangerous areas.
Now? The ball flows like water at the back. Nobody gets anxious. It's second nature. Very confident coaching and persistence knowing his path and what he wants his team to do and finally getting them to that point.
What I've been saying here for a while when posters get obsessed about tactics is that tactics are always secondary to knowing how to manage a squad and how to get your players in the right conditions to play their natural game.
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True that. God I hated when we played out from behind. But we improved a lot especially by doing it right. I remember lot of passes right around or even through our box to players already under the opponents pressure . Now no more. We improved a lot.
Gattuso proving to be a master at man management. Losing count to how many players said he's a 'father figure' to them.
Also he's playing a fairly progressive playing out from the back possession-first system, and his defending has been solid in a rigid 4141 block. People were going crazy in the beginning seeing how crap we were at playing out from the back, it seemed totally wrong and we lost a LOT of possession in extremely dangerous areas.
Now? The ball flows like water at the back. Nobody gets anxious. It's second nature. Very confident coaching and persistence knowing his path and what he wants his team to do and finally getting them to that point.
Also he's playing a fairly progressive playing out from the back possession-first system, and his defending has been solid in a rigid 4141 block. People were going crazy in the beginning seeing how crap we were at playing out from the back, it seemed totally wrong and we lost a LOT of possession in extremely dangerous areas.
Now? The ball flows like water at the back. Nobody gets anxious. It's second nature. Very confident coaching and persistence knowing his path and what he wants his team to do and finally getting them to that point.
Haha me too!that has been a huge improvement
but i always get tachycardia whenever Donna goes for the central pass to bakayoko
well ... at least Kojaks starting to see the light
Tbf, with all that injuries, especially Jack and Biglia out and with Baka in Chelsea mode, a Top 4 place by January seemed like a long distant dream. Add to that Hakan being a shadow of himself because of his private problems and Higuain deciding to be a toxic negative lad who wasted more energy in lamenting instead of working for his team – given how poor he's doing now under his favorite coach Sarri we know for a fact that it wasn't down to Milan, let alone Gattuso who defended him whenever he could – Gattuso did a miracle.Not really...I’ve always respected him for getting results just not his style of play. We constantly get outplayed by shit teams for long periods of every game and that hasn’t changed. Also, he’s got a top 4 squad at his disposal and we spent the most in January so he’s achieving expectations not surpassing them. Therefore, he’s not as great or shit a coach as some proclaim but merely a promising one.
However, if he does qualify for CL whilst missing 2 proper starting wingers then I’d like him to continue. He would’ve earned it. Also, Jardim’s back at Monaco, Conte doesn’t do well with youngsters and Sarri’s out of form so there’s less options.
Please stop subbing off piatek
Gattuso.... are you listening?
Tbf, with all that injuries, especially Jack and Biglia out and with Baka in Chelsea mode, a Top 4 place by January seemed like a long distant dream. Add to that Hakan being a shadow of himself because of his private problems and Higuain deciding to be a toxic negative lad who wasted more energy in lamenting instead of working for his team – given how poor he's doing now under his favorite coach Sarri we know for a fact that it wasn't down to Milan, let alone Gattuso who defended him whenever he could – Gattuso did a miracle.
I see where you're coming from when you talk about our poor playing style. That is something I blamed him too especially during December and some parts of January. But with Paqueta and Piatek we seemed transformed. With Conti and Biglia returning too and Castillejo maybe finally finding the right feed we can start talking about Top 4 squad on paper. And in fact, many experts describe Milan as the team who atm plays the best football in the league.
... BTW something that was said about us already at the beginning of our season when Hakan and Suso were in form and Biglia and Jack not injured. This makes me believe that Gattuso, when given the right players, actually is a very capabable coach.
Sarri’s out of form so there’s less options.
At this stage in the season, he's got more wins than Pep had in his first season at city.
What I've been saying here for a while when posters get obsessed about tactics is that tactics are always secondary to knowing how to manage a squad and how to get your players in the right conditions to play their natural game.
Any manager coaching in a high level league has a tactical system. Gattuso has a clear tactical system. When he becomes successful, some guy will make a youtube video about it and then it will become branded. Until then, many people can't see it and will keep saying he doesn't have any tactics. You, other posters, I have all discussed various aspects of his tactics in various threads in this forum.
So there's no question of tactics not being there at all. Beppe Iachini, Di Carlo, Nicola.. they all have tactical systems.
But it is always secondary to knowing how to manage a squad. Sarri is proving to be the classic example. He does not know how to manage diverse squads. He has a rigid, fixed way of playing football (his tactical system) and he tries to make some 14-15 players play that way - while ignoring the rest and not considering alternate styles that might suit his squad. He's open about it and clubs who hire him should know that that's what they are buying into.
Diversion: Mario Rui - great case in point of Sarri's lack of squad management. Sarri ignored him thoroughly at Napoli until Ghoulam got injured. De Laurentiis called him out on it (along with Rog and someone else I can't remember), and now see how Ancelotti managed to make Rui so good? While also keeping Ghoulam happy.
In modern football, such a tactician will not be successful if he cannot manage a squad and grow his players. For me it's clear - man management first, tactics second.
You don't need to specify that tactics are needed.. like I said, any manager worth his salt in a high level league, has a tactical system and a team of coaches who do obsess about it. It is just overstated these days because of the profusion of online analysts who create videos and long blog posts about it. None of this is new.
To me, the gold standard in modern football management remains Ancelotti and he's the perfect example of someone who knows that in order to win trophies, managing a squad is more important than tactical systems. He has used various tactical systems over the course of his career, each suited to whichever squad he's handling at that time. Players come first, tactics come later. We aren't living in Sacchi's era anymore. And all indications so far are that Gattuso learned as much as he could from Ancelotti. If he continues along this path, we will win trophies with Gattuso.