So it was his fault he was moved to winger after Messi's tantrum?
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So it was his fault he was moved to winger after Messi's tantrum?
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46 games 22 goals and 13 assists isn't a flop.He is a stubborn ass at times and that contributed hugely to them selling him on.But he wasn't a flop in a footballing sense.
Mendieta , Gerrard Lopez , our own Oliveira they are flops.
But as much of an ass as Ibra was , In 46 games he scored or created 35 goals.I'd be hell of happy if a player in our squad had 22 goals and 13 assists next May.
Mendieta , Gerrard Lopez , our own Oliveira they are flops.
But as much of an ass as Ibra was , In 46 games he scored or created 35 goals.I'd be hell of happy if a player in our squad had 22 goals and 13 assists next May.
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Not to mention he was also injured for about 3-4 months IIRC. His first game after the injury was against Real when he came on in the 2nd half and scored the winner.
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you don't run a ferrari like a fiat
given Ibra's speed he's more of a Fiat Panda than a Ferrari.
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who cares about pace?
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The 'you don't run a ferrari like a fiat' analogy runs both ways, Barca are the Ferrari, and Ibra is the Fiat. You don't change a working system to fit 1 player.
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actually what he meant is that pep wasn't using him to his best, which is how he was using him in the first half of the season until messi requested to get his position changed.
it has nothing to do with pace or team quality...it's about using ibra to his best, when he has his freedom, very few players are better.
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He had freedom in Barca's system, it is one of the few in the world where if he wanted to drop deep to get the ball more he'd be allowed to do that. He simply threw his toys out of the pram because Messi became a more predominant part of the Barcelona system. There is no defending Ibra here, sure he has talent but he's like C.Ronaldo, his attitude diminishes his ability to use his talent.
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when he had his freedom he was great, messi requested a change in his position and ibra fought with pep, shit happens.
I mean pep was happy to change the system to make messi happy, but it hurt ibra..tbh ibra didn't react well but pep wasn't an angel either.
ibra's attitude is great, he can lift a team by himself, which is what top pros like nesta/rino/seedorf said when he joined.
I mean pep was happy to change the system to make messi happy, but it hurt ibra..tbh ibra didn't react well but pep wasn't an angel either.
ibra's attitude is great, he can lift a team by himself, which is what top pros like nesta/rino/seedorf said when he joined.
Completely agree, you've just expressed it better than I did. It was a poor transfer in terms of the way it worked out but Ibra was and is a quality player. He just wasn't what Barca needed.
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Chygrinskiy was 25M from Shakhtar, and then after he flopped was sold back to them for 15M.
Pep bought D. Villa, Alexis Sanchez, Cesc Fabregas, Seydou Keita, Adriano, Dani Alves, Mascherano, Pique.
He got rid of non-hard-working players such as Ronaldinho and Deco.
His bad buys were Chygrinskiy and to some extent Ibrahimovic, considering Barcelona paid €43.5M + Eto'o, a value way out of whack. While Ibra had a really good season with Barcelona, he didn't fit the system, and Pep did not realize this, therefore making it a poor buy. Another buy that did not work was Ibrahim Affelay, but he can't really be counted as I think Barca paid like 3-5M Euros for him.
Pep had many Barcelona youth players such as Puyol, Pedro, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi, Busquets, and he integrated new youth players very nicely, including Tello, Alcantara, Cuenca.
From what I've read he had a lot of control of his squad choosing, but let's be honest, he had a really good youth system there, and he had a lot of money to spend as well.
Lastly, it should be noted that Barcelona have 25 Players. Not 33 like we do.
Pep bought D. Villa, Alexis Sanchez, Cesc Fabregas, Seydou Keita, Adriano, Dani Alves, Mascherano, Pique.
He got rid of non-hard-working players such as Ronaldinho and Deco.
His bad buys were Chygrinskiy and to some extent Ibrahimovic, considering Barcelona paid €43.5M + Eto'o, a value way out of whack. While Ibra had a really good season with Barcelona, he didn't fit the system, and Pep did not realize this, therefore making it a poor buy. Another buy that did not work was Ibrahim Affelay, but he can't really be counted as I think Barca paid like 3-5M Euros for him.
Pep had many Barcelona youth players such as Puyol, Pedro, Iniesta, Xavi, Messi, Busquets, and he integrated new youth players very nicely, including Tello, Alcantara, Cuenca.
From what I've read he had a lot of control of his squad choosing, but let's be honest, he had a really good youth system there, and he had a lot of money to spend as well.
Lastly, it should be noted that Barcelona have 25 Players. Not 33 like we do.
Chygrinskiy was recommended by the scouts at the Camp Nou. Pep agreed to it on the basis of the report given to him. Ibra was his choice. It didn't work for a raft of reasons, mainly egos and price. It should be noted that he was desperate to get rid of Eto'o as he wasn't was needed in the dressing room and he would have left for free in one more season.
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One thing we should keep in mind also, is that Barcelona has a wage bill currently of €170M. AC Milan's is €100M and shrinking.
We don't have the revenue and profit of Barcelona, and I don't see us being able to attract the type of players he would want.
We don't have the revenue and profit of Barcelona, and I don't see us being able to attract the type of players he would want.
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Something people need to realise is that we have a huge squad because we have injury crises almost every season.
If we had that mythical '25 player squad', we'd be fucked if we had an injury crisis similar to those we've had for the last 3/4 years and running.
It's great to have a smaller squad and less wages because of it, but it isn't good to have a squad of 25 when we come across a period where we have like 12 players out atleast every season.
If we had that mythical '25 player squad', we'd be fucked if we had an injury crisis similar to those we've had for the last 3/4 years and running.
It's great to have a smaller squad and less wages because of it, but it isn't good to have a squad of 25 when we come across a period where we have like 12 players out atleast every season.
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The answer is to fix the injury crisis (new doctors, physios), change training methods, or get new players. Not continually run losses by having 33-35 players every year, 90% of whom.. suck.
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That's true, but when you've changed the medical team almost every season for the last 5 years and had 3 different managers, all with different training philosophies, and still incurred injury crises in 3/4 of the last 5 years, then it could be something else.
I'm not going to conjecture and guess what it is. But it's a little foolish to simply say "Lol hurr durr do this and profit forever." They've inevitably tried different things. There is no way that astute businessmen like Berlu and Galliani haven't thought of changing the medical teams instead of just buying more players.
I'm not going to conjecture and guess what it is. But it's a little foolish to simply say "Lol hurr durr do this and profit forever." They've inevitably tried different things. There is no way that astute businessmen like Berlu and Galliani haven't thought of changing the medical teams instead of just buying more players.
25 squad is more than workable. To say because Milan have had injuries then they can't work towards this is ridiculous. The Barca philosophy is to have a small squad of senior players, with players who are adaptable and can player several positions, and when required use the products if their youth system. The big advantages Barca have over Milan is firstly they have a B team to develop those players and more importantly they have La Masia, the very best football cantera where at every age level the players are taught to play the same way with the same system. If Pep comes he will want to have influence over the youth set-up as well as the first team.
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He said he was fast, the very next press conference he was asked about Pato's goal again and he was very dismissive of him, saying he did nothing during the game but the goal.
I agree with Senatore, Pato is not what Pepe would want.
He is ill fitted to Pep's tactics. Pato can't play tici-taca, to fit Pato into the team he would have to drastically change his tactics in a way that is completely contradictory to his style.
Besides that, if you have seen Pep berating Sanchez on the sidelines for getting injured you'd understand Pato would crumble under his leadership.
Bojan wouldn't stay if Pep came either, for their difficult relationship.
Boateng would be too anarcic a player and too direct as well, I don't think he'd keep him.
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Conclusion is we`d have to change most of the squad to fit Pep, and that`s not happening.
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Saying he was very dismissive is a bit harsh.
That's what Pep exactly said in the very next press conference before they played Osasuna when asked about Pato:
“Pato? An excellent player in a great team, he proved with the goal, but after that he didn’t do much..."
Now, how's that very dismissive?
I read a transcript that had a very different tone, but then again as we see from the many different recaps of Milan's press conferences a statement can come off in many different ways, video is the best medium for these things.
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Option 2 please
can't believe everyone's acting as though we're getting Pep. this is madness
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I read a transcript that had a very different tone, but then again as we see from the many different recaps of Milan's press conferences a statement can come off in many different ways, video is the best medium for these things.
Yes, it's true a statement can come off in many different ways.
Well, here's the exact question in Spanish
Pregunta: "¿Le impactó Pato, cuadraría en el Barça?"
Pep's literal response:
"Es un excelente jugador en un gran equipo. Lo demostró en el gol. Pero luego intervino muy poco".
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Saying he was very dismissive is a bit harsh.
That's what Pep exactly said in the very next press conference before they played Osasuna when asked about Pato:
“Pato? An excellent player in a great team, he proved with the goal, but after that he didn’t do much..."
Now, how's that very dismissive?
He scored his goal after 20 seconds, and he said that after the goal he didn't do much.
Pretty smooth dick slap.
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Pato? An excellent player in a great team
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