Jeremy Menez Thread

Super22 · Sep 22, 2014

If menez gets injury or close off by defender, who is going to start our attack? That why we need a replacement, considering that we have little to no budget, taarabt could be a potential replacement.

Wrath · Sep 22, 2014

mALDINI03 said:
If menez gets injury or close off by defender, who is going to start our attack? That why we need a replacement, considering that we have little to no budget, taarabt could be a potential replacement.

what? We have 7 players for 3 positions in attack

Mario · Sep 22, 2014

mALDINI03 said:
If menez gets injury or close off by defender, who is going to start our attack? That why we need a replacement, considering that we have little to no budget, taarabt could be a potential replacement.

What are you people smoking.. we don't have an outstanding squad, but our attack has great quality and depth!
We have SES, Torres, Menez, Honda, Bonaventura (could be used as a mid), Pazzo & Niang for 3 spots.

markovic · Sep 22, 2014

Mario9 said:
What are you people smoking.. we don't have an outstanding squad, but our attack has great quality and depth!
We have SES, Torres, Menez, Honda, Bonaventura (could be used as a mid), Pazzo & Niang for 3 spots.

yagami7gnr · Sep 22, 2014

mALDINI03 said:
If menez gets injury or close off by defender, who is going to start our attack? That why we need a replacement, considering that we have little to no budget, taarabt could be a potential replacement.

Taarabt? Not in the team plus it looks like Suso will be the one coming in January.

Menez? He needs to let more players participate. He has been good so far however he is holding the ball too long and trying the Taarabt-play (pass all defenders on his own)

Goodfella · Sep 22, 2014

El Principe F.R said:
now on the other part.ultra defensive when almost every game we had over 50% possession(bar roma and viola) and over 10 shots??

Seedorf dropped his possession football idea when Montolivo got injured before the Lazio game and after that our avg possession % decreased significantly, going from our usual 65-70% against minnows to around 50% and even below that against Genoa and that was after Monto had returned.

It was more successful(or not as unsuccessful as) than Seedorf's initial approach with high pressure and lots of possession, but it was very provincial and the act of a desperate man.

El Principe F.R said:
taking into consideration other conditions....no ses, kaka second part of the season was very bad(still the only player in the squad who could hold ball in final third) , balo thinking he is the second coming of r9 and not moving his ass an inch(off the ball play and opening spaces=0 ){see the difference for having players like menez who cover the work of both kaka and balo of last season, i hope torres helps also at this department}, far worse physical condition of the team, not even a week to prepare the team(let alone 2 months with full support from managent) etc etc...any way i m not gonna attack pipo as i like many of his ideas and work he is doing...but to synopsize seedorf had a 8th-12th place material at his hands and pipo now has a top 5 material.

also the counter attacking football pipo is trying to play ,and in general counter attacking football(even that displayed by madrid in some games last year) is not so eye catching to me...

The circumstances weren't ideal for Seedorf, but it made no sense to hire him and that decision didn't make any more sense after he quickly destroyed the relationship with the management, staff and the roster's leaders and showed to be as unprepared as you'd expect of a noob. That move needed to be undone asap and that's what happened. Now I think Seedorf should move on, because, despite everything, that tenure would have done more good than harm on his coaching reputation if he had kept quiet and moved on, accepted new offers if there are any instead of proving the management right by declaring war on the club he pretends to love and who gave him his first coaching job, a prestigious one, even though he was unqualified for the job. Silvio did insult him in the media, but he's done that with all coaches and if it wasn't for Silvio's ego and erratic behavior, Seedorf wouldn't have been hired in the first place. As a player, Seedorf used Silvio's ego and fetishes to pressure the coach and get his wishes granted(starter, 4312 CAM :b:

) and he also took advantage of their great, but obviously fragile, relationship to get the coaching job with no credentials(B tried to hire him already in summer 2013, when we were in no crisis). He was no victim of this circus - he took advantage of it and it came back to bite him in the ass.

El Principe F.R said:
P.S1 i like how you blame dorf for creating zero chances and not our main creator monto...

In a 4-2-3-1, the main creators are supposed to be the AM trio. But the difficulties with creating chances in Seedorf's first matches were mainly tactical. His approach was impatient and idealistic, especially when the team was as poorly organized, static and incohesive as it was - and the opponents could deal effectively with it just by naturally reacting to it with deep defending.

Goodfella · Sep 22, 2014

El Principe F.R said:
PS2 i dont hate monto i consider him a good player (jack of all trades master of none) i just think his inability to provide the extra quality needed is hampering our game to go to the next level, and ofc i would like guys like pogba /gundo/thiago /etc in his place,on the other hand you blame ndj for things that he is not responsible for(no he is not my favorite either, he just was our best player last year)

You have a strange, narrow view on 3 man midfields and I'm not only basing it on this post. It seems to you a proper 3 man midfield has to have:
1. A De Jong type anchor who sits back, plays it safe with only simple, lateral/backward passes and bears absolutely no responsibility if the midfield struggles with horizontal passes, fails to protect the back-line and looks dysfunctional as long as we see him make tackles/interceptions and accurate (lateral/backward) passes.
2. A Gundogan type who is a creative box-to-box mid,
3. And a very advanced midfielder a la Isco in Carlo's Real with little to no defensive responsibility.

Why not Monto as the anchor? - a defensively strong regista;
- who unlike De Jong as the pivot can be the brain of the midfield(and team)
- who is not creative enough to be your main creator like Pirlo, but is definitely more complete and doesn't need his midfield partners to make as much sacrifices or depend as much on him.

He lead a solid midfield - the best one of the last 2 years - flanked by Muntari and Flamini(and at times even Noce), that managed to protect the defense and played a pivotal part in our ladder climbing to the 3rd spot. Now imagine if he was flanked by Vidal and Pogba/Marchisio, or your precious Gundogan & Rakitic.

Congo Powers · Sep 22, 2014

montolivo must be the anchor, everyone knows this

when he returns he immediately will start as the anchor, absolutely 0 question about this

Goodfella · Sep 22, 2014

Congo Powers said:
montolivo must be the anchor, everyone knows this

when he returns he immediately will start as the anchor, absolutely 0 question about this

Yup. Pippo apparently told him this too, but........that fucking injury :cry:

Sorriso Sempre · Sep 22, 2014

Goodfella said:
Seedorf dropped his possession football idea when Montolivo got injured before the Lazio game and after that our avg possession % decreased significantly, going from our usual 65-70% against minnows to around 50% and even below that against Genoa and that was after Monto had returned.

It was more successful(or not as unsuccessful as) than Seedorf's initial approach with high pressure and lots of possession, but it was very provincial and the act of a desperate man.

The circumstances weren't ideal for Seedorf, but it made no sense to hire him and that decision didn't make any more sense after he quickly destroyed the relationship with the management, staff and the roster's leaders and showed to be as unprepared as you'd expect of a noob. That move needed to be undone asap and that's what happened. Now I think Seedorf should move on, because, despite everything, that tenure would have done more good than harm on his coaching reputation if he had kept quiet and moved on, accepted new offers if there are any instead of proving the management right by declaring war on the club he pretends to love and who gave him his first coaching job, a prestigious one, even though he was unqualified for the job. Silvio did insult him in the media, but he's done that with all coaches and if it wasn't for Silvio's ego and erratic behavior, Seedorf wouldn't have been hired in the first place. As a player, Seedorf used Silvio's ego and fetishes to pressure the coach and get his wishes granted(starter, 4312 CAM) and he also took advantage of their great, but obviously fragile, relationship to get the coaching job with no credentials(B tried to hire him already in summer 2013, when we were in no crisis). He was no victim of this circus - he took advantage of it and it came back to bite him in the ass.

In a 4-2-3-1, the main creators are supposed to be the AM trio. But the difficulties with creating chances in Seedorf's first matches were mainly tactical. His approach was impatient and idealistic, especially when the team was as poorly organized, static and incohesive as it was - and the opponents could deal effectively with it just by naturally reacting to it with deep defending.

so according to you over 50% possession is ultra defensive(you used that word not me and you accepted the fact that it was for 90% of the games over 50% )
conte who broke up with juve's management who were 'gentlemen' compared with 'crazy' (i give zero but i demand barca lvl attack power) :b:

is also an unprepared noob
and seedorf is Dr Evil himself who can easily manipulate a mafia-member billionaire for his own good.

PS seedorf played as cam only in christmas tree 4-3-2-1...at diamond 4-1-2-1-2 he was lcm mainly(but when attacking formations are much more fluid than in paper....)

Goodfella said:
You have a strange, narrow view on 3 man midfields and I'm not only basing it on this post. It seems to you a proper 3 man midfield has to have:
1. A De Jong type anchor who sits back, plays it safe with only simple, lateral/backward passes and bears absolutely no responsibility if the midfield struggles with horizontal passes, fails to protect the back-line and looks dysfunctional as long as we see him make tackles/interceptions and accurate (lateral/backward) passes.
2. A Gundogan type who is a creative box-to-box mid,
3. And a very advanced midfielder a la Isco in Carlo's Real with little to no defensive responsibility.

Why not Monto as the anchor? - a defensively strong regista;
- who unlike De Jong as the pivot can be the brain of the midfield(and team)
- who is not creative enough to be your main creator like Pirlo, but is definitely more complete and doesn't need his midfield partners to make as much sacrifices or depend as much on him.

He lead a solid midfield - the best one of the last 2 years - flanked by Muntari and Flamini(and at times even Noce), that managed to protect the defense and played a pivotal part in our ladder climbing to the 3rd spot. Now imagine if he was flanked by Vidal and Pogba/Marchisio, or your precious Gundogan & Rakitic.

first of all i have several formations for 3 mans midfield in mind.the one you mention with monto pogba and vidal would be very good (it wouldnt produce the exact kind of football i want to see but i acknowledge it would be very effective)
secondly i rate monto high and as the second best mid(by far from the rest) in the squad after ndj.in my books ndj is better mid than monto(though monto is more complete).ndj is top 3 ball winning mids in the world along with vidal.monto at whatever(of the many things he does) is not top 10 in the world(or is #10 in 1-2 of them).so i would choose ndj over monto(in my ideal mid none would be part of the team though...but we are talking about our roster)

PS my 'precious' mids right now are gundo thiago and pogba and only them...no rakitic etc :lol:

Wrath said:
what? We have 7 players for 3 positions in attack

we saw their effectiveness vs juve...

to put it simple ...if y have zlatan and another 10 average or decent attackers doesnt mean you have replacement for zlatan...is that clear?

Jasper · Sep 23, 2014

Jeremy Menez hits back at his former PSG teammates
In an extended interview with France Football, AC Milan attacker Jeremy Menez has hit back at critics of his time at PSG and some of his former teammates there including Lucas Moura.

He had the following to say:

“To properly judge my time at PSG, I would like you to look at my overall record, where we stop only at my final season, where I had a back operation. My first two seasons were quickly forgotten, but there were far from being bad! I was often decisive. In all competitions, I must have scored about twenty goals and thirty assists. A lot of people have forgotten about that. You must look at the numbers and the statistics…”

“PSG bought me for €8m from AS Roma in the summer of 2011. I did well in the first two seasons, less in the last one, but I was still decisive. Statistically, I am ahead of quite a few (PSG) players. I also marked the club’s history with my goal against Lyon which confirmed the Ligue 1 title in 2013. Compared with certain others, if we look at price-quality statistics, I wasn’t bad no? Lucas, he has been there for two years, and he has scored 3 goals. But he cost €40m more. And he is Brazilian…”

“Today, it is perhaps better to be a foreigner at PSG… Me, I am French and a Parisian. I don’t have Twitter, or Instagram where I can send messages or pretty photos. I do not make films for social networks. I do not say: “Long live Paris! Long live Paris!” in order to make myself liked. I am not like that. But that does not mean that I do not love my club, far from it. Simply, I’m not fake! A lot of players publicise themselves like that in order to be appreciate. I needed to find football again, to feel good. I need to measure myself against an even competition.”

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2014/jeremy-menez-hits-back-at-his-former-psg-teammates/

Full interview in English, anybody?

jammin · Sep 23, 2014

Yea fuck Lucas! Fuck Zlatan and his plastic bitches! :gun:

Tadej · Sep 23, 2014

Goodfella said:
You have a strange, narrow view on 3 man midfields and I'm not only basing it on this post. It seems to you a proper 3 man midfield has to have:
1. A De Jong type anchor who sits back, plays it safe with only simple, lateral/backward passes and bears absolutely no responsibility if the midfield struggles with horizontal passes, fails to protect the back-line and looks dysfunctional as long as we see him make tackles/interceptions and accurate (lateral/backward) passes.
2. A Gundogan type who is a creative box-to-box mid,
3. And a very advanced midfielder a la Isco in Carlo's Real with little to no defensive responsibility.

Why not Monto as the anchor? - a defensively strong regista;
- who unlike De Jong as the pivot can be the brain of the midfield(and team)
- who is not creative enough to be your main creator like Pirlo, but is definitely more complete and doesn't need his midfield partners to make as much sacrifices or depend as much on him.

He lead a solid midfield - the best one of the last 2 years - flanked by Muntari and Flamini(and at times even Noce), that managed to protect the defense and played a pivotal part in our ladder climbing to the 3rd spot. Now imagine if he was flanked by Vidal and Pogba/Marchisio, or your precious Gundogan & Rakitic.

Rickaka · Sep 23, 2014

de Jong is an excellent player should play 100% of the matches if fit.

I'm very glad Pippo, Seedorf, Allegri, van Gaal, Hiddink all realize(d) this.

joyrider · Sep 23, 2014

I do not say: “Long live Paris! Long live Paris!” in order to make myself liked. I am not like that. But that does not mean that I do not love my club, far from it. Simply, I’m not fake! A lot of players publicise themselves like that in order to be appreciate. I needed to find football again, to feel good. I need to measure myself against an even competition.”

totally my kinda guy :star:

adit · Sep 23, 2014

our hero

Night Prowler · Sep 23, 2014

Seems like the only player in our team currently who has any ideas.

Mexes5 · Sep 23, 2014

What an absolute stud. I love watching players who mix there game up, use both feet. He is fire

Cokata · Sep 23, 2014

most skillful player we had since ibra left

Mario · Sep 23, 2014

He was fantastic again! You will not see a better performance than Jeremy delivered in the 2nd half!!

Majority of the first I got Taarabt-esque vibes watching Menez, but he then raised his level.

:star:

kosL · Sep 24, 2014

Jasper said:
Jeremy Menez hits back at his former PSG teammates
In an extended interview with France Football, AC Milan attacker Jeremy Menez has hit back at critics of his time at PSG and some of his former teammates there including Lucas Moura.

http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2014/jeremy-menez-hits-back-at-his-former-psg-teammates/

Full interview in English, anybody?

Here is the English version.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/90/fran...-only-at-psg-because-hes-brazilian-says-menez

Blanc's response:

PSG boss Laurent Blanc, speaking ahead of Wednesday's trip to Caen, felt Menez would be better served looking forwards, rather than backwards on his time at the Parc des Princes.

He said: "That's his opinion that foreign players have better opportunities as PSG, he is entitled to it. It is very easy for players to talk. For players it is very easy to talk to newspapers I think.

"Jeremy should be talking about his project in Milan rather than his former club. I wish him good luck in that regard. Anyway, everyone does what they want. I will say no more on the matter."

.

Jasper · Sep 24, 2014

kosL said:
Here is the English version.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/90/fran...-only-at-psg-because-hes-brazilian-says-menez

What exactly does that add?

kosL said:
"It is very easy for players to talk. For players it is very easy to talk to newspapers I think."

Qaas · Sep 24, 2014

Right now he is my fave on this milan team... But that is only before ses and des hit their best form.
Such a joy to watch him play.

MilanSpecialist · Sep 24, 2014

Menez has been great for us so far! As said before me, really enjoy watching him play! He always scared me when we played Roma during his time there.

Goodfella · Sep 25, 2014

El Principe F.R said:
so according to you over 50% possession is ultra defensive(you used that word not me and you accepted the fact that it was for 90% of the games over 50% )

Huh? You seem to have reading comprehension difficulties. I'm referring to post-Monto injury games starting with Lazio away. Seedorf dropped the idealistic possession football idea and shifted to an at times extreme opposite. We had 51% in that Lazio game, which is a lot less than the 60% we usually have against them even in Olimpico, but after that it went even below 50% against minnows like Genoa, which was unthinkable with Allegri.

Point was you can't say "we played better football under Seedorf" without specifying which one. The idealistic one lost us a lot of games and the few ones it won were very unconvincing(late winners). It wasn't better football at all. The defensive/provincial one was more efficient but it was hardly something to be optimistic about and I think we'll see Pippo going that route as well if his preferred ideas fail badly.

El Principe F.R said:
conte who broke up with juve's management who were 'gentlemen' compared with 'crazy' (i give zero but i demand barca lvl attack power) is also an unprepared noob
and seedorf is Dr Evil himself who can easily manipulate a mafia-member billionaire for his own good.

You can't be serious..

Conte is a hothead, but he won the whole club over immediately, revived the team and won the Scudetto in all his seasons before he quit - he didn't stupidly get himself fired, he quit - while the Azzuri manager spot was vacant.

B&G are more difficult to handle than Agnelli and Marotta, but you adapt to your work environment and as a rookie you need to have some humility.
Not like Seedorf was completely unfamiliar with Silvio, Galliani, Barbara, Tassoti, etc, or established as a coach or was forced to accept the offer.

El Principe F.R said:
PS seedorf played as cam only in christmas tree 4-3-2-1...at diamond 4-1-2-1-2 he was lcm mainly(but when attacking formations are much more fluid than in paper....)

Call it Christmas Tree, 4-3-1-2 or whatever, but it was 4-3-1-2 in B's eyes and Seedorf kept pushing to be fielded up there even though he failed miserably each time and only succeeded in deeper roles, which eventually led to a destroyed relationship with Allegri that left doubts about him being called up for the farewell game(and uncertainties about it being his farewell game as well, he left in an a lot uglier way than the other senatores who left same summer).

El Principe F.R said:
secondly i rate monto high and as the second best mid(by far from the rest) in the squad after ndj.

That's not rating high..

El Principe F.R said:
in my books ndj is better mid than monto(though monto is more complete).ndj is top 3 ball winning mids in the world along with vidal.monto at whatever(of the many things he does) is not top 10 in the world(or is #10 in 1-2 of them).so i would choose ndj over monto(in my ideal mid none would be part of the team though...but we are talking about our roster)

Again, "strange, narrow view" when it comes to midfielders/the midfield.

De Jong is very good at winning balls on his own, but to assess a midfielder, or even just DMs, there are a lot more qualities and traits that need to be considered, which combined are a lot more important and can heavily reduce the significance of the aforementioned quality.

As an anchor, De Jong is poor at organizing/leading the team, cooperating with the CBs and contributing offensively, lacks the typically anchor height and aerial prowess and really limits the team. That makes him inferior in this role to Montolivo and countless others.

For a box-to-box DM role a la Vidal or Fernandinho, he's no way near being dynamic enough and he's never been the Gattuso type to chase opponents around the pitch even though idealistic RnB De Jong fans like him because that's how they want him to be. He's more like(or wants to be like) Van Bommel, but without the ability to nullify almost everything that's heading - aerially and on the ground - towards the defense and really dominate that horizontal space in front of the defense without needing to make gazillion tackles and interceptions, which VB was doing so beautifully for us. Montolivo came much closer to Van Bommel in that sense, i.e. the way he protected the back-four, and is obviously also superior to De Jong as a box-to-box mid as well.

The only times I've seen De Jong being a given starter in successful teams are with incohesive defensive teams - Netherlands and City(10/11) - who have an overabundance of quality and creativity up front which they can depend on and then there's De Jong who is very good at recovering balls on his own and playing safe accurate passes amidst all the disorder in the team.

De Jong can be very useful and I think City miss him as a rotational player, but he is extremely overrated by Milan fans and his part to the disaster that was last season has been overlooked or extremely underestimated. Montolivo is simply superior and the one we should build our midfield around(actually, should have already after the 12/13 season).

jammin · Sep 25, 2014

You guys, I think, going out on a limb here, but I THINK, Goodfella doesn't like Nigel De Jong.

derpu · Sep 25, 2014

ninjammin said:
You guys, I think, going out on a limb here, but I THINK, Goodfella doesn't like Nigel De Jong.

Soldier_of_god · Sep 25, 2014

both are fucking overrated. monty and de jong i mean. None of them are world class.
At best they are very good players in their respective positions.

JohnnyWunderboy · Sep 25, 2014

milan_swagger said:
both are fucking overrated. monty and de jong i mean. None of them are world class.
At best they are very good players in their respective positions.

80-83 range in FIFA

Soldier_of_god · Sep 25, 2014

Lol yea another way to put it i suppose ^.

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