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Which team will finish 2nd after Milan?


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Best League in the world :lol: Calcio is an abomination to what it used to be
 

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What is this bullshit? Relegate the bastards already. Fuck you Moratti!
 

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Let them hold there scudetto. I think it's MORE embarrassing. Fighting for a trophy they couldn't win on thew field :lol: :lol: :lol:

I would NEVER want a paper scudetto, even if team who beat milan DID cheat. Better to have no winner than win that way
 

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Let them hold there scudetto. I think it's MORE embarrassing. Fighting for a trophy they couldn't win on thew field :lol: :lol: :lol:

I would NEVER want a paper scudetto, even if team who beat milan DID cheat. Better to have no winner than win that way

I agree. Hopefully in a year we'll be on 19 and Inter won't matter anymore, just like it used to be :thumbsup:
 

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So according to Giancarlo Abete the FIGC cannot revoke Inter's paper Scudetto because you need a trial for that to happen. And in order for a trial to happen, Moratti has to refuse the statute of limitations....

So basically, in order for Inter scudetto to get revoked, Inter themselves have to ask for the trial to revoke it. What utter BS!!!

There, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of an organisation corrupt to its core.....

Or how to be rewarded a scudetto for cheating worse than Juventus (Inter proven to break rules 1 and 6 of the FIGC code while Juventus was relegated for only breaking Art 1), only in Italy, shame has no boundaries....
 

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Did Agnelli made some statement about it?

He will problably appeal to COI or something...
 

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If those stadiums become a reality and ppl get back the pleasure of going to the stadiums.. serieA could easily rule again.

I think the level of competition is already better in Italy than the rest of Europe, with better stadiums and TV rights (plus hype, English teams get a ton of hype but I dont think they are truly better than their Italian counterparts) then Serie A could certainly come back in a big way
 

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Did Agnelli made some statement about it?

He will problably appeal to COI or something...

Juve statement just out.

"The outcome of today’s Federal Council confirms the absolute inequality of treatment in event of similar circumstances. It is understood that, in order to protect their millions of fans, as well as the shareholders & employees, Juventus must pursue the right & proper verification of facts while looking for equal treatment. Therefore, the Club’s lawyers have been given the mandate to identify the best protection instruments in the administrative & international law. Management & lawyers are simultaneously proceeding with the assessment of the economic damages caused by such behaviour."

http://www.juventus.com/wps/portal/en/news/18july2011_officialnote/
 

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I think the level of competition is already better in Italy than the rest of Europe, with better stadiums and TV rights (plus hype, English teams get a ton of hype but I dont think they are truly better than their Italian counterparts) then Serie A could certainly come back in a big way

bundesliga is the way to go.. they are making a great champ.. with fulls stadiums.. great games.. great players, keeping the soul of their football and developing young german players for their NT. While EPL is completely without personality.

So, imo bundesliga is the one to be beaten.
 

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No words......

I hope jube go to real court despite FIFA rules. Its not like they have the possibility to win anything soon anyway.

Anyway a letter from the inter fans from inter channel (slightly old, dont know if it was posted), their thoughts on the 06 scudetto after pallazis words:

Lo staff di Canale Inter

La pazienza di tutti i tifosi interisti è definitivamente tramontata in data lunedì 4 luglio 2011 con la pubblicazione delle note motivazioni di Palazzi e con i relativi echi che esse hanno lasciato.

La società FC Internazionale da ora in avanti deve azionarsi inesorabilmente al fine di tutelare la propria immagine e soprattutto quella del compianto ex presidente Giacinto Facchetti (vittima di attacchi ignobili e plurilaterali da ormai più di un anno) in tutte le sedi opportune: poco importa violare la clausola compromissoria o incrinare pesantemente e definitivamente i rapporti con la presidenza di una determinata società calcistica avente sede a Torino.

La “beneamata” società di gentiluomini che sino ad oggi ha colpevolmente sottovaluto l’enorme e predeterminata ondata mediatica anti interista nascente da “calciopoli” deve ora attivarsi per difendere se stessa e per “attaccare” tutti i soggetti – persone fisiche e giuridiche – che hanno fraudolentemente e meschinamente provveduto a causarle danni di enorme entità – e di diversa natura.

L’assoluta inverosimiglianza delle accuse rivolte a Giacinto Facchetti e Massimo Moratti (goccia questa che ha fatto traboccare un vaso – quello dei tifosi interisti – già colmo da tempo) è assolutamente inaccettabile per tutti i tifosi nerazzurri, tra i quali nessuno si è dimenticato:

- Delle sleali ingerenze di mercato da parte dell’ex DS della Juventus Luciano Moggi al fine di favorire forzatamente la cessione di Cannavaro dall’Inter del “brindellone” Facchetti alla società bianconera;

- Delle sleali ingerenze di mercato da parte dello stesso Luciano Moggi al fine di impedire l’acquisto da parte dell’Inter dei giocatori Taddei e Gannichedda;

- Degli inqualificabili comportamenti da parte dell’ex ct della Nazionale italiana di Calcio, Marcello Lippi, il quale arrivò ad affermare a Moggi che Mancini (ex allenatore dell’Inter) aveva bisogno di una “bella lezione”, con tanto di susseguente rassicurazione dell’ex ds bianconero al ct viareggino (“Non aver paura”);

- Delle censurabili affermazioni di Innocenzo Mazzini (ex vicepresidente della FIGC), il quale colloquiando con Moggi affermò: “Ho visto l’Inter, la solita squadra di dementi”;

- Del significativo “esempio” relativo al funzionamento del sistema illegale (vigente all’epoca di Calciopoli) fornito dal menzionato Mazzini a Sandro Mencucci: “se per caso tutti e due (i designatori) sono d’accordo di fregare l’Inter, l’Inter viene fregata..”;

- Dei deprecabili tentativi di circuire Giacinto Facchetti da parte della segretaria della Can Maria Grazia Fazi e dell’ex designatore arbitrale Paolo Bergamo, i quali inquadrano l’ex presidente dell’Inter come una sorte di burattino facile da abbindolare con le parole, da tenere all’oscuro di tutto anche perché “non è grande per intelligenza”. Un’offesa gratuita, che conferma il doppio gioco effettuato ai danni dell’Inter, convinta di difendersi da un sistema non suo ma attirata senza rendersene conto nella ragnatela di chi ha costruito lo scandalo Calciopoli. Da ciò emerge altresì chiaramente il timore della Fazi che Bergamo facesse saltare tutto raccontando a Facchetti più del dovuto.

Il quadro delineato dal contenuto delle suddette intercettazioni chiarisce senza alcun dubbio come l’Inter abbia subìto evidenti vessazioni, avendo altresì – allo stesso tempo – sempre avuto la consapevolezza di non essersi mai potuta difendere compiutamente presso le competenti (ma “parziali”) istituzioni della giustizia sportiva; invero è stato comprovato che:

- i generali Pappa, Attardi ed il capitano Lasco, facenti parte dell’allora ufficio indagini FIGC, erano amici di Luciano Moggi, sempre pronti ad aiutare all’evenienza l’ex ds Della Juve;

- l’allora Presidente della CAF Cesare Martellino era anch’esso fortemente legato all’ex ds della Juve e ad Antonio Giraudo.

Tutto ciò premesso, dimenticando volontariamente quanto ci sarebbe ancora da evidenziare,
I TIFOSI INTERISTI,
- dopo aver preso atto della posizione di Juventus FC in merito alla richiesta di revoca “amministrativa” dello scudetto 2005/2006 da parte del consiglio federale per la presunta violazione di principi etici da parte di Facchetti e Moratti;

- dopo aver preso atto che la stessa Juventus F.C. riconosce che “il palmares non si prescrive“;

- e, soprattutto, dopo aver perso ogni forma di rispetto nonché di calma, pazienza e fiducia (cit.) nei confronti di tutto ciò che orbita attorno al calcio italiano,

CHIEDONO, RISPETTOSAMENTE MA FERMAMENTE

Che l’FC Internazionale inoltri alla Federcalcio formale istanza con la quale richiedere:

- la revoca alla Juventus FC degli scudetti 1994/1995, 1996/1997 e 1997/1998 nonché delle altre competizioni nazionali vinte nei medesimi anni in forza di quanto sancito – ad integrazione del parere del T.A.S. – dalla Sentenza della Cassazione Penale n. 21324 del 2007 (che ha ritenuto che l’abuso di farmaci operato in quegli anni dalla società di Torino sia punibile come frode sportiva);

- la revoca alla Juventus F.C degli scudetti 2001/2002 e 2002/2003 nonché delle altre competizioni nazionali vinte nei medesimi anni in forza delle deposizioni testimoniali e della documentazione prodotta al Processo attualmente in corso a Napoli relativo ai fatti della c.d. “Calciopoli”;

Si richiede inoltre che l’FC Internazionale – anche se in violazione della clausola compromissoria – valuti concretamente di procedere alla richiesta di risarcimento di tutti i danni a qualsiasi titolo subiti nei periodi temporali in esame da parte dei soggetti (persone fisiche e giuridiche) che verranno riconosciuti come diretti responsabili nonché di tutti gli ulteriori danni subendi.

Milano, lì 09.07.2011

Firmato:

I tifosi dell’ FC Internazionale

For those who know italian i advise to read it. It will give you a good idea how delusional merda fans are.
 

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Juve statement just out.

"The outcome of today’s Federal Council confirms the absolute inequality of treatment in event of similar circumstances. It is understood that, in order to protect their millions of fans, as well as the shareholders & employees, Juventus must pursue the right & proper verification of facts while looking for equal treatment. Therefore, the Club’s lawyers have been given the mandate to identify the best protection instruments in the administrative & international law. Management & lawyers are simultaneously proceeding with the assessment of the economic damages caused by such behaviour."

http://www.juventus.com/wps/portal/en/news/18july2011_officialnote/

This is relatively heavy for a official statement. I just don't know if they can really do something.

Sad times for Calcio.
 

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Juve statement just out.

"The outcome of today’s Federal Council confirms the absolute inequality of treatment in event of similar circumstances. It is understood that, in order to protect their millions of fans, as well as the shareholders & employees, Juventus must pursue the right & proper verification of facts while looking for equal treatment. Therefore, the Club’s lawyers have been given the mandate to identify the best protection instruments in the administrative & international law. Management & lawyers are simultaneously proceeding with the assessment of the economic damages caused by such behaviour."

http://www.juventus.com/wps/portal/en/news/18july2011_officialnote/

FIGC just shot themselves in the foot. They could have ended this whole farce they created by revoking Inter's paper scudetto and giving Juve some sense of justice so that they wont pursue it further. But now they have opened a bigger can of worms and I am afraid it may end with Italy getting banned by FIFA....

The bastards have only themselves to blame for how they handled the entire thing from the get go (the first Calciopoli trial). Did these idiots actually think that Moggi and Juve would just sit back and accept their names dragged into shit?
 

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FIGC just shot themselves in the foot. They could have ended this whole farce they created by revoking Inter's paper scudetto and giving Juve some sense of justice so that they wont pursue it further. But now they have opened a bigger can of worms and I am afraid it may end with Italy getting banned by FIFA....

The bastards have only themselves to blame for how they handled the entire thing from the get go (the first Calciopoli trial). Did these idiots actually think that Moggi and Juve would just sit back and accept their names dragged into shit?

Banned from what???
 

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No words......

I hope jube go to real court despite FIFA rules. Its not like they have the possibility to win anything soon anyway.

Anyway a letter from the inter fans from inter channel (slightly old, dont know if it was posted), their thoughts on the 06 scudetto after pallazis words:



For those who know italian i advise to read it. It will give you a good idea how delusional merda fans are.

Same braindead comments on forzamerdaforums, I hope Juventus goes to the last court available if necessary and us Lazio and Fiorentina should go too. Inter Merda should be send to Serie C2 and stripped of their last 5 cartoni titles + the CL they stole
 

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If Inter had some self-respect, they would give up the Scudetto and try to win one on the field next season. Properly communicated, this decision could prove a great motivational tool to the squad for next season.
 

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If Inter had some self-respect, they would give up the Scudetto and try to win one on the field next season. Properly communicated, this decision could prove a great motivational tool to the squad for next season.

Well it's good for Inter then that they have ZERO self-respect :lol:

After all, these are the same bastards who created a complete fake scandal to finally win a title....
 

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bundesliga is the way to go.. they are making a great champ.. with fulls stadiums.. great games.. great players, keeping the soul of their football and developing young german players for their NT. While EPL is completely without personality.

So, imo bundesliga is the one to be beaten.
I agree, love the Bundesliga. The quality of their stadiums and pitches look absolutely incredible.
 

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bundesliga is the way to go.. they are making a great champ.. with fulls stadiums.. great games.. great players, keeping the soul of their football and developing young german players for their NT. While EPL is completely without personality.

So, imo bundesliga is the one to be beaten.

I totally agree with you.

BTW, a lot of people forget that much of the modernization of the English football was a reaction to the disasters in the 80's, and they were forced to adopt radical measures after the Taylor Report for security and, to sum it up, to keep hooligans out of the stadiums. They drastically changed all the atmosphere, the stadiums and the public on football.

There's no point on try to copy a radical model based on emergency if you're not on the same needs.

While Germany put a very inclusive, slow and peaceful modernization. There's space for everyone in German stadiums, cheap tickets, an atmosphere that resembles football. In my opinion, a much better model.
 

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I totally agree with you.

BTW, a lot of people forget that much of the modernization of the English football was a reaction to the disasters in the 80's, and they were forced to adopt radical measures after the Taylor Report for security and, to sum it up, to keep hooligans out of the stadiums. They drastically changed all the atmosphere, the stadiums and the public on football.

There's no point on try to copy a radical model based on emergency if you're not on the same needs.

While Germany put a very inclusive, slow and peaceful modernization. There's space for everyone in German stadiums, cheap tickets, an atmosphere that resembles football. In my opinion, a much better model.

I'm not sure

While italy is not england in the 80s it's certainly the worst of all the bigger leagues in europe in terms of safety.

A big reason fans don't go is fear. They don't feel they can take children families. They've been trying to fight it. The Bari game was a success on that front. 12pm kick off, san siro had 60k+, but it was well advertised and it was in memory of 25 years of berlusconi. All that said curva still had protest signs (typical).

I can guarantee you right now, Napoli fans will start a fight during one of there UCL group stage matches. Lets just wait for the draw and i'll tell you which one.

Italy can take elements from both, but the stadium/ticketing model clearly needs to follow germany. England had good stadium infrastructure for the most part.

Nicer facilities alone won't bring crowds back though. Safety is a major issue, and as long as southern italy is the way it is, it'll be a problem.
 

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The Bari game was some special offer though, wasn't it?

I'm not surprised that people turned up to it. I don't think Italy will be up there with stadiums for a long while yet.
 

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apparently Rossi to Juve is almost done. really good move for them that helps a lot towards making them contenders
 

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juve's problem wasn't the attack, it's the midfield and defense.
 

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juve's problem wasn't the attack, it's the midfield and defense.

I think their attack has badly needed is a quality talented SS, and Rossi provide that.

Juve's biggest problem last season was at FB and they seem to have upgraded in a big way there (not perfect by any stretch, but a huge improvement nonetheless)

I think they can challenge for a CL spot next season if they make one or two more good signings
 

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If they move into a dynamic DM-less 4-3-3/4-2-1-3 like it seems they will, Rossi is a good signing.

They of course need a very good midfielder too, but I think they'll get Vidal.
 

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I am sort of concerned for Fiorentina. Sadly the days of competing for the Champions League spots seem long gone, at least for the time being. The Della Valle family, Miha, and Corvino are acting incompetent, to say the least. Mutu, Donadel, Santana, Comotto, and D'Agostino are already gone while Frey and Montolivo are soon to follow them. Frankly, it's understandable why someone like Monty would like to move on to a bigger stage.

I just don't understand what went wrong since last season. It all started by the hiring of Mihajilovic and the absolute inactivity in the transfer market. It is a sad reality, since Fiorentina were always a team of quality players and famous for producing proficient champions. I admit I'm very skeptical about where they're headed with the very poor management of the club lately.

I'm sure most of you have heard that Gamberini is the new captain, but the surprise is that Jovetic is the new vice-captain. Yes, a 21 year old who has been with the club for 3 years only and missed the whole of last season due to injury.
 

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You could say two things about this.

One, classic warning story of what happens if you are a club with limited resources which invests too much into your once-in-a-bluemoon CL campaign. That stretched them immensely, and the project just fell apart. It is the sad truth that even if clubs like Viola and Udinese qualify for CL, for them to take it seriously is not a viable proposition in these days of endless money. Udinese are cleverer, I don't expect them to care shit about the CL.

Two, Jovetic's injury. That was more telling than it appeared at first. The team lost it's momentum, there were players playing out of position etc.
 

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I dont you think should underestamte the negative influence Mihajlovic has had. Prandelli was well respected both amongst his players and the fiorentina fans, Milhajlvoic dont have respect from no one. Unfortunaly Fiorentina is not the same charming club that it were during the Prandelli era.

On a diffrent topic if Juventus manage to capture both Rossi and Vidal, which seems very likely at the moment, and invest in a CB they can very well finish top 4 this coming season
 

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You could say two things about this.

One, classic warning story of what happens if you are a club with limited resources which invests too much into your once-in-a-bluemoon CL campaign. That stretched them immensely, and the project just fell apart. It is the sad truth that even if clubs like Viola and Udinese qualify for CL, for them to take it seriously is not a viable proposition in these days of endless money. Udinese are cleverer, I don't expect them to care shit about the CL.

Two, Jovetic's injury. That was more telling than it appeared at first. The team lost it's momentum, there were players playing out of position etc.

Fiorentina should have knocked Munich out of the CL last season. if it wasnt for the refs they would have. they had won their group which had Liverpool and Lyon in it, and should have made it to the final 8
 
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