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Permaculture is the future.

this spring i will be planting my first garden in a raised garden bed that my father-in-law built for me this past fall

i'm really looking forward to having homegrown tomatoes *drools*
 

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are you aware that food manufacturing facilities have percentages of allowable insect parts, rodent hair and rodent feces that can be in their product?

Some misinformation there ma'am. There's something called Quality Control in the Food and Beverages industries. But more specifically, HACCP.

That's why Microbiology is such a great major..it's so broad you end up knowing a bit about everything.

For my Industrial MCB exam in senior year, I remember reading a whole book of more than a hundred pages (selected chapters) just on the beer-making process.


On-topic, I think people here need to be more worried about activating cancer genes (oncogenes) than making major lifestyle changes esp. in one's diet. Absolutely ANYTHING can trigger those genes, esp. extended (chronic) physical and/or psychological stress.

You folks should be more worried about passed-down genes and genetic predisposition than Coca Cola. Oh, and some families of viruses 'activate' oncogenes too. Scary but true.


More to write but I'll pause here.
 

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Some misinformation there ma'am. There's something called Quality Control in the Food and Beverages industries. But more specifically, HACCP.

yes...it's mandatory for meats and juice...and even then there are still widespread cases of E.coli contamination and other problems with the distribution of these foods

and for all other foods...

The use of HACCP is currently voluntary in other food industries

that's why there are still stories of people finding dead rodents sealed up in their cans of peas, etc. gross.


On-topic, I think people here need to be more worried about activating cancer genes (oncogenes) than making major lifestyle changes esp. in one's diet. Absolutely ANYTHING can trigger those genes, esp. extended (chronic) physical and/or psychological stress.

as for your comment regarding oncogenes...i would argue that a diet filled with empty calories and preserving chemicals can eventually lead to chronic physical stressors and mental stress as well (once a person's health begins to deteriorate)...so concern with diet should be considered, especially since it is one factor that many people have the ability to change :)
 

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Okay. About contamination in the f & b industries as you positively stated, there's usually the major contamination coming during distribution. I'm aware 'sterile' packaging was made to combat this, but even the safest vacuums found in cans or what have you, when not properly stored (time factor, humidity, light [ultraviolet radiation]), can become infected. Bacteria are really hardy creatures, the most adaptible on the planet, and the less complex their genomes are, the hardier they are. One vegetative cell in that 'sterile' can of peas and that's it. Usually storage, handling, transportation..those are the hot points of infection.

It's also troubling to note that, even during the production phase itself, contamination isn't entirely exclusive. HACCP at least gives the manufacturer up to an 80% certainty. This is usually prevelant in the brewing industry.

Then, obviously, you have the rogue companies that skip HACCP altogether, at least at some point or when the laws regarding standards maintenance are not enforced, just to save as much funds at the detriment of the public. :thumbsdown: That's why the FDA exists, for example. Here in Nigeria we have NAFDAC and even SON. They are INCREDIBLY important.

The matter of 'organic' produce (straight from the farm) is a totally different ballgame. Most of the outbreaks happen here, because regulation is less tight. And it's supposed to be the other way around since, unlike industrially packaged consumables, there are less bacteriocidal/bacteriostatic/antimicrobial measures taken to ensure safety. Then the handling, storage, and of course, the cleanliness in the farms that produce....

Additives may supposedly be onco- and proto-oncogene stimulators, but they usually become much of a threat in vast quantities that haven't been fully excreted by the body. There are several types of mutation on a cellular level, and 'innocent' chemicals added to tomato sauce, for example, as a fixative, can actually act as dimers, base analogues, or alkyating agents hence triggering cancer behaviour when the cell starts to code for oncoproteins instead. But it doesn't happen frequently if those chemicals are in minute doses, below a well-established LD50. There are regulators and repressors as well as other genetic 'control stations' in the case of protein biosynthesis...
 

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Oxidants and free radical groups in the diet should be rightly feared though..I think much more than the additives. Saturated fats are a no-no, and if they can be avoided that's ok. Unsaturated fats (usually oils) require more chemical energy to break the hydrocarbon bonds, so less energy is stored in the form of glycogen and glycoproteins..leading to no obesity. And obesity is one predisposing factor in cancers.

Smoking and drug use..there's no need to touch on that. Nicotine induces more cellular mutations than Ronaldinho bags actresses (and probably pornstars :D). Same goes for tar, so even weed or crack smoking is obviously dangerous.

But the big, silent killer is STRESS, on all levels, especially psychological. Why? Chronic stress changes the hormonal and neurotransmitter topography in your body. There's constant epinephrine (adrenaline), amongst others. Apart from causing serious somatic changes over time (constricted blood vessels leading to HBP and myocardial infarctions aka heart attacks), the cells then would have to adapt to this by coding for 'more useful proteins' (e.g. more arterial epithelial tissue) at the expense of others. This could activate any protooncogenes within the area, and malignancy isn't far off. Worn out cells, instead of automatically dieing (apotosis), carry out malignant coding......

Then there are seemingly unimportant viral infections like the flu. Generally the mechanisms of viral replication, be it in plants, animals, or even bacteria (yes), support cell malignancy.


There's a lot more to write on this topic. Oncology is a hot, and very interesting, discipline.
 

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People on my facebook are posting that coke + pork vid :fp:

should I send them a link to this thread? :D
 

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WTF is this thread?
 

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Pigs are such great creatures... incredibly smart and clean. If you would be kept in a disgusting small cage you would be a disgusting animal.

I would have a pig for a domestic animal. Would name him Bob.

Wait a second.. this Bob?
 

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