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He needs a mid table club and lots of playing time.
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He needs a mid table club and lots of playing time.
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Well, this is kinda true.
Borini has been a constant steady shit for YEARS, while Halilovic actually has potential and needs time to show it...
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Muy interesting interview from Fassone with Il Sole 24 Ore. Basically his first interview since last summer. It throws a little bit of light in that shady-awkward situation Yonghong Li created:
On the board of directors:
"I believe that Milan was led by an excellent board of directors: There were Roberto Cappelli, Marco Patuano and Paolo Scaroni, from which two are still present in the new board. All decisions were taken unanimously. We were not friends, but almost."
On the loss of 126 millions:
"Under my management, compared to 2016-17, we have made 20 million more revenues and 50 million more margin. The 126 million loss includes 45 million extraordinary components which where not in the budget during my management:
22 millions are due to devaluations of players such as Kalinic and Bacca who were sold after my departure, 17.5 millions due to provisions for me and 5 other managers who left the club, salaries of the players from the second team which was abandoned after my departure and the rest to set aside for a possible UUEFA fine.
Without these 45 million write-downs and provisions, I would have closed the balance with a loss of 81-82 million, which would have been better by 10 millions than the initial business plan.The costs have increased for the salaries of the players and for the Uefa trips, which were not there in the year before without Europe. The other general costs decreased by 6 millions. In any case, the value of today's roaster is much higher than the one of June 2016."
On the business plan developed by Fassone and being too optimistic:
"Surely the values shown in the Chinese market revenue plan were too optimistic. President Yonghong Li was convinced that he could hit those targets. As we have seen, China has given zero, but we managed to almost compensate the missing incomings with stadium revenues and above all capital gains: 35 million in last year's summer campaign, giving Niang to Torino and Lapadula to Genoa. In the end, we were overall 6 millions lower. Nevertheless, excluding China, the result was significantly better than the budget forseen in the business plan."
However, UEFA denied the businessplan more than once:
"All I can say is that TAS has denied the UEFA theses and defined the business plan forecasts accurate and reachable and indicated that the management was correct."
On Yonghong Li and his disappearance:
"I've never seen him again. Sometimes I hear his right-hand man David Li. I do not know where the money came from to buy the club. I don't know if it was his own or borrowed. However the most prestigious advisors were involved in the operation with Fininvest: from Lazard and Rothschild to Gianni Origoni Grippo Cappelli. Why should I doubt?"
How Li lost the club in the end:
"In the Board of Directors it was decided that, should the Chinese revenues not arrive, Mr. Li would have to make capital increases totaling 120 million. As time went by, it became obvious that the Chinese revenues would not arrive. Mr. Li had already put another 88 million into the club. To meet the agreements, there were those infamous 32 millions left. In the end, Mr. Li preferred to default, and Elliott anticipated the money as agreed. It surprised me too."
Between Milan and Marco Fassone the dispute is still open:
"At Milan I was general manager. I don't want to comment the numbers, but if I had accepted what was proposed by Milan (about 2 million euros), knowing that the agreements were different, I would have given the impression that I had left the club with something to hide. So I refused. In the end the judge will decide."
At the end, the market bomb:
"Misterr Li wanted Cristiano Ronaldo because he believed he had a great strength on the Chinese market. The player wanted to leave Madrid, and we met in July 2017 with his attorney Mendes, to check the costs and availability of the player. Then I persuaded Mr. Li to let go of the dream, because Ronaldo was too expensive."
On the board of directors:
"I believe that Milan was led by an excellent board of directors: There were Roberto Cappelli, Marco Patuano and Paolo Scaroni, from which two are still present in the new board. All decisions were taken unanimously. We were not friends, but almost."
On the loss of 126 millions:
"Under my management, compared to 2016-17, we have made 20 million more revenues and 50 million more margin. The 126 million loss includes 45 million extraordinary components which where not in the budget during my management:
22 millions are due to devaluations of players such as Kalinic and Bacca who were sold after my departure, 17.5 millions due to provisions for me and 5 other managers who left the club, salaries of the players from the second team which was abandoned after my departure and the rest to set aside for a possible UUEFA fine.
Without these 45 million write-downs and provisions, I would have closed the balance with a loss of 81-82 million, which would have been better by 10 millions than the initial business plan.The costs have increased for the salaries of the players and for the Uefa trips, which were not there in the year before without Europe. The other general costs decreased by 6 millions. In any case, the value of today's roaster is much higher than the one of June 2016."
On the business plan developed by Fassone and being too optimistic:
"Surely the values shown in the Chinese market revenue plan were too optimistic. President Yonghong Li was convinced that he could hit those targets. As we have seen, China has given zero, but we managed to almost compensate the missing incomings with stadium revenues and above all capital gains: 35 million in last year's summer campaign, giving Niang to Torino and Lapadula to Genoa. In the end, we were overall 6 millions lower. Nevertheless, excluding China, the result was significantly better than the budget forseen in the business plan."
However, UEFA denied the businessplan more than once:
"All I can say is that TAS has denied the UEFA theses and defined the business plan forecasts accurate and reachable and indicated that the management was correct."
On Yonghong Li and his disappearance:
"I've never seen him again. Sometimes I hear his right-hand man David Li. I do not know where the money came from to buy the club. I don't know if it was his own or borrowed. However the most prestigious advisors were involved in the operation with Fininvest: from Lazard and Rothschild to Gianni Origoni Grippo Cappelli. Why should I doubt?"
How Li lost the club in the end:
"In the Board of Directors it was decided that, should the Chinese revenues not arrive, Mr. Li would have to make capital increases totaling 120 million. As time went by, it became obvious that the Chinese revenues would not arrive. Mr. Li had already put another 88 million into the club. To meet the agreements, there were those infamous 32 millions left. In the end, Mr. Li preferred to default, and Elliott anticipated the money as agreed. It surprised me too."
Between Milan and Marco Fassone the dispute is still open:
"At Milan I was general manager. I don't want to comment the numbers, but if I had accepted what was proposed by Milan (about 2 million euros), knowing that the agreements were different, I would have given the impression that I had left the club with something to hide. So I refused. In the end the judge will decide."
At the end, the market bomb:
"Misterr Li wanted Cristiano Ronaldo because he believed he had a great strength on the Chinese market. The player wanted to leave Madrid, and we met in July 2017 with his attorney Mendes, to check the costs and availability of the player. Then I persuaded Mr. Li to let go of the dream, because Ronaldo was too expensive."
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This is where we get to see if our new owners and management are as influential and powerful as we hope.
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Ideally - the verdict will be the 17m fine and a voluntary arrangement.
Then increase in revenues, Gazidis arrives and the stadium project with Inter takes shape.
Then in addition to Paqueta, Leo and Paolo get:
One of Ibra or Pato.
One of Rodrigo Caio or Benatia.
One of Paredes, Cesc, Tonali or Fabinho (ideally two because Jack is out of the season, but that may be a bit too much for FFP).
The boys reach fourth place in Serie A.
In the summer we get an energetic, fast left winger like Lozano and another midfielder to replace Bakayoko. Squad is complete.
Then increase in revenues, Gazidis arrives and the stadium project with Inter takes shape.
Then in addition to Paqueta, Leo and Paolo get:
One of Ibra or Pato.
One of Rodrigo Caio or Benatia.
One of Paredes, Cesc, Tonali or Fabinho (ideally two because Jack is out of the season, but that may be a bit too much for FFP).
The boys reach fourth place in Serie A.
In the summer we get an energetic, fast left winger like Lozano and another midfielder to replace Bakayoko. Squad is complete.
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Giuseppe Rossi is. Feee agent and can be signed outside the window - sign him till the end of the season - super low wage and it’ll improve our centre forward depth!
Yes his injury prone but there is 0 risk
Yes his injury prone but there is 0 risk
Of the crop of mentioned central defenders I would prefer Benatia. He is Serie A/Eurocup proven defender.
We have good ball-playing defenders but are lacking physicality. We struggle against strong centre-forwards and Benatia would be the man to get the job done.
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allah w akbar.. ForzA Sultan Brahim
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agreed
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where is the lawyer battalion?
Probably they know a favorable outcome is already secured..Paul not even there
Alo88
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Who?
Our biggest weakness in defence this year is that we lack a ball-playing-defender à la Bonucci (without his defending).
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yeah, was thinking the same.
Well, Bonucci is the best in the business. I consider RR, Roma and Musacchio good with the ball distribution.
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I wouldn't call any of them "ball playing defenders". I had hopes for Romagnoli to become that but haven't seen any improvement in that regard. Zapata is probably our best passer in defense.
RR is very good at making a 180, shrimp down and pass back to CB.
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For me a good ball playing CB is someone who has good ball control, who does not stress like Zapata whenever hes pressed and can release it without causing problems. Doesnt have to give assists..
Maybe we have a different definition of a ball playing defender.. Lets just say Bonucci is the exception here cause no one do the things he does with the ball..
Ramos,Hummels and T.silva to an extent.
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