Week 2: Milan - Brescia 31/08/19 18:00 CET

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Our first home game of the season against a newly promoted team. Anything other than a victory would make all the alarms go off. Hoping we can already forget last week's disappointment.


Milan haven't played Brescia since April 2011, when we won 1-0 thanks to a late Robinho goal. :star:
 

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The midfield battle

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Just field better players not who is longer at the club.
 

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Theo is better but injured...we shouldn’t rush the unfit players. :D
Ofcourse i dont mean to field injured players.

But playing samu, borini when you have better options on the bench is suicide.
 

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Ofcourse i dont mean to field injured players.

But playing samu, borini when you have better options on the bench is suicide.

Mister GP knows, he will field better players next match.
Bennacer, Kessié to start with. Hopefully Leao and Piatek in the attack.
 

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Probable (4-3-3)

Donnarumma - Calabria, Romagnoli, Musacchio, Rodriguez - Kessie, Bennacer, Paqueta - Suso, Piatek, Calhanoglu
 

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Just don't be as bad as last week, is all I ask.
 

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Can’t believe GP looks to be going back to a 4-3-3, trained the team all preseason talking about how to wants to dominate games and how player movements are important but is reverting back to a formation strictly to accommodate Suso. If you ask me he seems like he’s under serious pressure already and doesn’t trust his own ideas, which is incredibly alarming after ONE game.

I still believe in GP but clearly these “player movements” aren’t so important if you’re reverting back to a failed formation at this club after one game, so why didn’t he start Kessie, Bennacer and Leao last game? He played Calhanoglu, Borini and Samu completely out of position and our performance completely suffered for it.

I understand that his system needs good attacking wingbacks to work I really do but it seems to me that last game he didn’t encourage Rodriguez and Calabria to get forward. Perhaps this is a reason why we will play with wingers but 433 doesn’t work with Suso and Hakan on the wings, never has never will. I’m extremely concerned by that predicted line up and really hope that’s just speculation because imo if GP does revert to that formation than it’s going to be another LONG season.

We’re playing Brescia ffs, I know no games should be taken lightly and being this current Milan that couldn’t be more true. However, if there is a game to back your system and players it’s this at home against this team.
 

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can't wait to see that attacking force of:

------------Piatek-----------
Hakan------------------Suso

..... yay.... I just love this strategy from last year when we chose to run Hakan as left winger when he's not a left winger... I don't get it, just put Leao there or even Borini at least since both have some pace! Hakan belongs in the middle of the field, not on the wing, same with Paqueta (but further up)
 

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We might get a draw here, if Brescia takes it easy on us.
 

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Probable (4-3-3)

Donnarumma - Calabria, Romagnoli, Musacchio, Rodriguez - Kessie, Bennacer, Paqueta - Suso, Piatek, Calhanoglu

Back to 4-3-3 with Hakan as left winger. :lol: :lol: This club :fp:
 

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70% sure it won't be a 4-3-3.
 

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We will probably look better with 433 right now, but come on we can't give up this quickly on the formation of God's.
 

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thank god hitchens didn't open this thread. Now it can't be worse
 

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thank god hitchens didn't open this thread. Now it can't be worse

Thank god i opened the thread then :lol: my record with opening match threads

Week 33: Torino vs Milan - 18/4/2018 - 1-1 draw

Week 34: Bologna vs Milan - 29/4/2018 - 1-2 victory

Week 36: Milan vs Hellas Verona - 5/5/2018 - 4-1 victory

Week 38: Milan vs Fiorentina - 20/5/2018 18:00 - 5-1 victory

Group F AC Milan vs. Real Betis 25/10/2018 18:55 CET - 1-2 loss

Supercoppa TIM, Juventus vs AC Milan – Wednesday 16/01/2019 18:30 CET Jeddah - 1-0 loss

Week 20: Genoa – Milan 21/01/2019 15:00 CET - 2-0 victory

Coppa Italia QF: Milan vs Napoli – 29/01/2019 20:45 CET - 2-0 victory

Week 33: Parma vs Milan 20/04/2019 12:30 CET - 1-1 draw

Week 36: Fiorentina - Milan 11/05/2019 20:30 CET - 1-0 victory

10P, 6W 2D, 2L

What are we saying, folks?
 

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These are the players I dont want to see play: Samu, Borini, Suso, Hakan and Rodriguez. Until Theo comes back, I'll accept RR.

I'd rather start Bonaventura as trequartista than Suso and Hakan, but since he probably don't have 90 minutes in him I'd rather have Hakan than Suso. When taking off Bona, either put Hakan in his place or move Paqueta up and put Hakan as mezz'ala.

Piatek - Leao
Bona
Paqueta - Bennacer - Kessie


Just please, I wont survive seeing Suso, Hakan, Samu and Borini again.
 

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I wont say score but any improvement from last match certainly welcomed
 

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Thank god i opened the thread then :lol: my record with opening match threads



Week 33: Torino vs Milan - 18/4/2018 - 1-1 draw



Week 34: Bologna vs Milan - 29/4/2018 - 1-2 victory



Week 36: Milan vs Hellas Verona - 5/5/2018 - 4-1 victory



Week 38: Milan vs Fiorentina - 20/5/2018 18:00 - 5-1 victory



Group F AC Milan vs. Real Betis 25/10/2018 18:55 CET - 1-2 loss



Supercoppa TIM, Juventus vs AC Milan – Wednesday 16/01/2019 18:30 CET Jeddah - 1-0 loss



Week 20: Genoa – Milan 21/01/2019 15:00 CET - 2-0 victory



Coppa Italia QF: Milan vs Napoli – 29/01/2019 20:45 CET - 2-0 victory



Week 33: Parma vs Milan 20/04/2019 12:30 CET - 1-1 draw



Week 36: Fiorentina - Milan 11/05/2019 20:30 CET - 1-0 victory



10P, 6W 2D, 2L



What are we saying, folks?



20 points in 10 matches. That would take us to 76 points and probably the 4th place. I say you should open all match threads.
 

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Can’t believe GP looks to be going back to a 4-3-3, trained the team all preseason talking about how to wants to dominate games and how player movements are important but is reverting back to a formation strictly to accommodate Suso. If you ask me he seems like he’s under serious pressure already and doesn’t trust his own ideas, which is incredibly alarming after ONE game.

I still believe in GP but clearly these “player movements” aren’t so important if you’re reverting back to a failed formation at this club after one game, so why didn’t he start Kessie, Bennacer and Leao last game? He played Calhanoglu, Borini and Samu completely out of position and our performance completely suffered for it.

I understand that his system needs good attacking wingbacks to work I really do but it seems to me that last game he didn’t encourage Rodriguez and Calabria to get forward. Perhaps this is a reason why we will play with wingers but 433 doesn’t work with Suso and Hakan on the wings, never has never will. I’m extremely concerned by that predicted line up and really hope that’s just speculation because imo if GP does revert to that formation than it’s going to be another LONG season.

We’re playing Brescia ffs, I know no games should be taken lightly and being this current Milan that couldn’t be more true. However, if there is a game to back your system and players it’s this at home against this team.
70% sure it won't be a 4-3-3.
We will probably look better with 433 right now, but come on we can't give up this quickly on the formation of God's.


The 433/4321 we'll probably be playing won't be the same as the Gattuso days. The same movements will be expected from the midfielders that we saw in preseason, and the construction will still happen suddenly and mostly through quick short passing to free up a runner. Gattuso built up his game patiently and slowly, always working the ball up out wide through combinations between Suso/Calabria/Kessie or Rodriguez/Hakan/Paqueta.

This season we (should) play to set a pressing trap and attack suddenly when there's an opportunity, which is different than aiming to work the ball up to Suso in his favorite position and hoping for the best. Another big difference is obviously the compression of space, with the high line and the narrowness. This means less long crossfield passes which have a higher tendency of being misplaced.

Anyway my point is the numbers are the same, 433, but it's a very different gameplan. Or at least it should be and hopefully we'll see that in a few weeks time.

I posted this in the commode but it seems more relevant in the game thread:



This seems like the direction we're heading in for the next game based on Giampaolo's comments about Suso and Piatek especially. The idea is generally the same as before, trying to distract markers into making mistakes by over-committing to a press.

Against a 4312 like Brescia the strategy would be to bait a press against our free fullbacks, freeing up Paqueta and Kessie. So for example a pass to Calabria where he gets pressed by the player who's supposed to mark Kessie, then a pass to Bennacer to Kessie would start our forward transition.

Also since we're up against another narrow formation it would actually make sense for the front three to go wide and try for overlaps. Having a plan B like the 433 is an added weapon against teams that defend narrow. It's also great against teams that attack wide, since you make sure you're not overloaded wide yourself, so against Inter a 433 would be the best option if we expect to play more reserved.

My point is that it's not good to think of a formation as a set decision that we follow all season regardless of opposition or player form. Having options up front by playing two up front with a trequartista behind, or a Xmas tree, or a typical trident like Gattuso, these are all different tools to use against specific threats or opportunities. The only thing that's set in stone are the flat back four, Bennacer in front of them and two mezzalas either side. The front three should really depend on each game scenario.


Edit: Looking at the formation again I think Conti would work really well here, considering our fullbacks are free. Theo would absolutely dominate so it's a shame he's injured, but Conti would have a lot of fun on the right with Suso and Kessie distracting the players that will have to keep an eye on Conti bursting through. Calabria just doesn't have the same carefree sense of attacking intent.

Also, when defending the plan will be to block off the passing options to Tonali, and a 4321 is perfect for this considering there isn't anyone specifically marking him. If the front three stay focused and block any passing option to him then Brescia will be forced out wide where we can force them into errors. If Tonali plays well it will be because he manages to drop behind Piatek between the centerbacks, pull him out and play around him. I don't think he has the maturity or the experience to do this consistently at the San Siro, so i'm pretty confident we can shut him out of the game.
 
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More than shutting out Tonali, it’s important to shut out Alfonso Donnarumma. He’s a proper striker. But our worry should be more offensive in this game, as to how we can prevent Piatek from getting shut out.

Yes of course the 4-3-3 of Giampaolo will be tactically very different from a conventional 4-3-3 (and from Gattuso’s 4-3-3 which wasn’t conventional either). However I still expect the shape to resemble the Christmas tree more than flat lines of attackers upfront.

Kessie would need to curb his instinct to move ahead and create increased spacing with Calabria, which happened couple of times even in the 30 mins he played in Udine.
 

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More than shutting out Tonali, it’s important to shut out Alfonso Donnarumma. He’s a proper striker. But our worry should be more offensive in this game, as to how we can prevent Piatek from getting shut out.

Yes of course the 4-3-3 of Giampaolo will be tactically very different from a conventional 4-3-3 (and from Gattuso’s 4-3-3 which wasn’t conventional either). However I still expect the shape to resemble the Christmas tree more than flat lines of attackers upfront.

Kessie would need to curb his instinct to move ahead and create increased spacing with Calabria, which happened couple of times even in the 30 mins he played in Udine.

I don't think there's much we can do about Donnarumma, they'll be trying to play long balls for him to chase all game which will always be a threat. Hope Gigio doesn't go crazy with his sweeper antics. Will be funny to hear the commentators if both Donnarumma's combine in a comedy error goal.

Yeah, the 2 will not play on the same line as Piatek and there's no doubt that he will be isolated. I think they're just giving up on that and hoping he can squeeze out a couple of chances even if he's suffocated as long as we can get the ball into the box, which rarely happened in Udine.
 

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