AC Milan Tactics

Tidalwave · Aug 22, 2012

Senatore_M84 said:
pato/pazzo can work.

but not well with our current midfield. Unless we try a 4-4-2. Even then, we need someone opposite urby

interesting point.
if it goes my way it'll be :

Abbiati
Fodder - Zapata - Acerbi/Bonera - Abate/DS
El Sharaawy - Montolivo - Urby
Boateng/Kaka/New AM
Pato - Pazzini

elshaa LMF
urby RMF
Montolivo DMF
Pato SS
pazzo CF
A la Tottenham, put the wingers on the opposite foot he use.

Tidalwave · Aug 22, 2012

Fiero said:
Why not? I think Boateng's best position would be a hybrid of a withdrawn forward and a right winger.

His best assets are physicality, technique and shooting. You'd want him to be in the opponents final 3rd, but not with his back to goal. In that position he could use his pace and dribbling skills + shooting of course, and help in defense by pressing and covering a lot of ground.

He tends to drift to the right anyway in the current setup, but moving him there would open a spot for a player with a better pass in the final 3rd, like Kaka.

imo boateng best suited role is a midfielder.
he make the chances mostly outside the box with lesser marking from the opponent.
not too good too pass the ball so he can play RW.
yeah his pace is deadly,
most effective at the beginning of counter attack phase.
but, his pace is not effective against bus-parking teams.
and many club at the serie a use that tactic.
Pato or elshaa could do the RW i think.

Senatore_M84 · Aug 22, 2012

Sage said:
lets say we play a 4-3-3

who can we stick at RW? SES/robinho would work best at LW

urby at rw would make him an inverted winger a la robben, but urby hardly scores and it would limit his crossing.

I guess boateng could play at RW...

urby's been at RW/RAM all preseason.

goals + assists.

He could surprise there.

We wouldn't play a wide 4-3-3 anyway it'd be more of a 4-3-2-1

SpartanMilan · Aug 22, 2012

we should be working on a switch to a 3-5-2 since we dont have any real CAM

---------------------Abbiati-----------------
----------Bonera---Acerbi*---Zapata---
--Abate--Flamini--Monty--Prince**--Urby--
-----------Pato/Pazzini-----Robinho------------
*Mexes but I dont like him
**or Nocerino if Prince doesnt pick his game up

Abate was better crossing at RWB when at Torino, and Urby is a good crosser that could put some dangerous balls for Pazzini.

I dont care for Mexes and dont overly trust him, but who knows what Acerbi will bring at a bigger team. Still he would add aerial defense, I guess Yepes could also potentially fill the sweeper role.

We could still use a true DMF (Go for Thiago Motta since he isnt playing at PSG at the moment) so Flamini starts since he can t least put pressure on and run even though he isnt the greatest. If Prince doenst pull his head out of his ass he should get benched for Nocerino, who while not as talented will work his nuts off every game

Sven · Aug 22, 2012

Andy said:
interesting point.
if it goes my way it'll be :

Abbiati
Fodder - Zapata - Acerbi/Bonera - Abate/DS
El Sharaawy - Montolivo - Urby
Boateng/Kaka/New AM
Pato - Pazzini

elshaa LMF
urby RMF
Montolivo DMF
Pato SS
pazzo CF
A la Tottenham, put the wingers on the opposite foot he use.

El Shaarawy as CM? Are you serious?

Christian · Aug 22, 2012

Sven said:
El Shaarawy as CM? Are you serious?

Works in FIFA :thumbsup:

MilanMB · Aug 22, 2012

Christian said:
Works in FIFA

actually it does

i tried it out yesterday

Pedro · Aug 22, 2012

GoldenMB said:
actually it does i tried it out yesterday

it's a waste

one time I played Stephan with Pato up top, and Stephan scored a bycicle kick goal and gave an amazing assist to Pato

MilanMB · Aug 22, 2012

Pedro said:
it's a waste

one time I played Stephan with Pato up top, and Stephan scored a bycicle kick goal and gave an amazing assist to Pato

yeah, i know... i was tired of playing the same line up all the time, wanted to try something else.

Senatore_M84 · Aug 22, 2012

Sven said:
El Shaarawy as CM? Are you serious?

it's dumb. He's much more suited at CB for deep attack

Mion-Moura · Aug 23, 2012

Senatore_M84 said:
it's dumb. He's much more suited at CB for deep attack

necromancer · Aug 23, 2012

Ah, there breaks out the "Boateng is secretly a CM" debate for the 100th time. This'll go on till his retirement.

Boateng is a false 10.5.

Tidalwave · Aug 23, 2012

Sven said:
El Shaarawy as CM? Are you serious?

noooooooooooo
left winger
but in defensive phase he must cover left midfield.

Tidalwave · Aug 23, 2012

GoldenMB said:
yeah, i know... i was tired of playing the same line up all the time, wanted to try something else.

try 8-1-1 brah :thumbsup:

Sven · Aug 23, 2012

Andy said:
noooooooooooo
left winger
but in defensive phase he must cover left midfield.

Oh, I see...

Works on FIFA

Tidalwave · Aug 23, 2012

Sven said:
Oh, I see...

Works on FIFA

dont mock me

Senatore_M84 · Aug 23, 2012

necromancer said:
Ah, there breaks out the "Boateng is secretly a CM" debate for the 100th time. This'll go on till his retirement.

Boateng is a false 10.5.

i could see him thriving in the old lampard role in mourinho's chelsea 4-3-3.

timed runs in behind striker. Short passes. Pressure

Senatore_M84 · Aug 23, 2012

Assuming we sign no one else :shudders:

I like this....

sort of a 4-3-3/4-3-2-1

Robinho LF/LAM.... Urby RF/RAM. Robinho has more lisense to go forward. Urby can cut in but slightly deeper.

Boateng in a sort of lampard role, pushing up, pressing, short passing, linking up w/ robinho.

Montolivo moves slightly left, and flamini for ffs drops back mostly..... creating a sort of false-double pivot. Kind of similar to what we did w/ mvb/gattuso.

Pazzo leading the line should push them to create space for a robi/boa/urby to move.

I think this has proven to be both robinho , pazzo and urby's best roles. Boateng, while not a true CM, this role would use his best tools, and pressing further will negate some of tactical reading a pure CM does..... if he gets better at pressing (he's ok) it'll lead to a lot of interception tackle opportunities for montolivo/flamini

and yes i purposely pointed luca's arrow to out of bounds.

Sage · Aug 23, 2012

You forgot the arrows where flamini and boateng cover for our super fbs :proud:

BrasilianMilan · Aug 23, 2012

Senatore_M84 said:
Assuming we sign no one else :shudders:

I like this....

sort of a 4-3-3/4-3-2-1

Robinho LF/LAM.... Urby RF/RAM. Robinho has more lisense to go forward. Urby can cut in but slightly deeper.

Boateng in a sort of lampard role, pushing up, pressing, short passing, linking up w/ robinho.

Montolivo moves slightly left, and flamini for ffs drops back mostly..... creating a sort of false-double pivot. Kind of similar to what we did w/ mvb/gattuso.

Pazzo leading the line should push them to create space for a robi/boa/urby to move.

I think this has proven to be both robinho , pazzo and urby's best roles. Boateng, while not a true CM, this role would use his best tools, and pressing further will negate some of tactical reading a pure CM does..... if he gets better at pressing (he's ok) it'll lead to a lot of interception tackle opportunities for montolivo/flamini

and yes i purposely pointed luca's arrow to out of bounds.

This is something that I think would work tremendously for us this season. Nice work Senatore, 4-3-2-1 and 4-3-3 combined would be a good alternative (pushing) option with 4-3-1-2.

Fiero · Aug 23, 2012

Senatore_M84 said:
Assuming we sign no one else :shudders:

I like this....

Agreed here. Basically what I said two days ago, except you switched Urby and Boateng's positions.

Australiano1980 · Aug 23, 2012

Senatore_M84 said:
Assuming we sign no one else :shudders:

I like this....

sort of a 4-3-3/4-3-2-1

Robinho LF/LAM.... Urby RF/RAM. Robinho has more lisense to go forward. Urby can cut in but slightly deeper.

Boateng in a sort of lampard role, pushing up, pressing, short passing, linking up w/ robinho.

Montolivo moves slightly left, and flamini for ffs drops back mostly..... creating a sort of false-double pivot. Kind of similar to what we did w/ mvb/gattuso.

Pazzo leading the line should push them to create space for a robi/boa/urby to move.

I think this has proven to be both robinho , pazzo and urby's best roles. Boateng, while not a true CM, this role would use his best tools, and pressing further will negate some of tactical reading a pure CM does..... if he gets better at pressing (he's ok) it'll lead to a lot of interception tackle opportunities for montolivo/flamini

and yes i purposely pointed luca's arrow to out of bounds.

would be a record of yellows and reds cards to boateng and flamini.

Rickaka · Aug 26, 2012

Senatore_M84 said:
Assuming we sign no one else :shudders:

I like this....

sort of a 4-3-3/4-3-2-1

Robinho LF/LAM.... Urby RF/RAM. Robinho has more lisense to go forward. Urby can cut in but slightly deeper.

Boateng in a sort of lampard role, pushing up, pressing, short passing, linking up w/ robinho.

Montolivo moves slightly left, and flamini for ffs drops back mostly..... creating a sort of false-double pivot. Kind of similar to what we did w/ mvb/gattuso.

Pazzo leading the line should push them to create space for a robi/boa/urby to move.

I think this has proven to be both robinho , pazzo and urby's best roles. Boateng, while not a true CM, this role would use his best tools, and pressing further will negate some of tactical reading a pure CM does..... if he gets better at pressing (he's ok) it'll lead to a lot of interception tackle opportunities for montolivo/flamini

and yes i purposely pointed luca's arrow to out of bounds.

Like this a lot.

In an ideal world though, Monty would play higher up the field, pretty much where you have Boateng now, Boateng would move to Flamini's place, and we would have an actual DM.

bens · Aug 26, 2012

necromancer · Aug 28, 2012

This may be the best thread for this - http://www.settoretecnico.figc.it/documenti.aspx

The thesis documents that Italian coaches have to submit, before passing the coaching course. It's only available in Italian - But I'm gonna devote some time on them over the next few days

Albertini · Aug 28, 2012

I think my wildest dreams may be coming true. I did not think this day would ever arrive but it actually looks like ac milan are going to be moving away from that prehistoric formation that worked so well for teams in the 70's with three defensive CM's in the middle. I appreciate everyone else's opinion but what I have been crying out for for years is that milan move to a 4-2-3-1, with the wingers on the 'wrong' side so they can cut inside. every club is doing that now, i think arjen robben started the trend years ago and you can also see it now in madrid, tottenham, barca, germany etc. the wingers are harder to mark and you get more goals from midfield while there is generally more movement as players don't just stick to their sides. emmanuelson has been great on the right side for us and scored goals. he needs to be a winger not a rcm.

I also hate how everybody calls out for a MVB type in front of the defense. the best form of defense in todays football it possession. Milan need to have a packed midfield, with good passers who play high up the field, press and suffocate the opposition and cover for the overlapping fullbacks. the 4-2-3-1 has always been my preferred formation and i also think pato/pazzini are well suited for it. i would go with (it looks a bit like the holland formation):

.----------------------Abbiati

.----------Abate---mexes---zapata---antonnini

.-----------------nocerino---flamini

.---------Urby/Bojan---montolivo---binho/SES

.----------------------Pazzo/Pato

Before anybody says it, i know boa is missing, i hate him. the guy is an absolute pimp. he has made no effort to get fit, does not look like he is enjoying himself at milan and probably thinks he's too good to be here. Also he hasn't had any competition for a place and it would do him good to make him prove his worth from the bench. also niang can play up front or wide. there are lots of options for the CM's. Ambro can come in for flamini when we need to man mark a trequartista. The only thing we're missing is a left back. I had to get that off my chest now but things are really looking up with niang and bojan. suddenly its not as important to have the pirlo/modric/moutinho players if we're going with wingers, it could realy work tell me what you think.

Mion-Moura · Aug 29, 2012

MaldiniCapitano said:
I think my wildest dreams may be coming true. I did not think this day would ever arrive but it actually looks like ac milan are going to be moving away from that prehistoric formation that worked so well for teams in the 70's with three defensive CM's in the middle. I appreciate everyone else's opinion but what I have been crying out for for years is that milan move to a 4-2-3-1, with the wingers on the 'wrong' side so they can cut inside. every club is doing that now, i think arjen robben started the trend years ago and you can also see it now in madrid, tottenham, barca, germany etc. the wingers are harder to mark and you get more goals from midfield while there is generally more movement as players don't just stick to their sides. emmanuelson has been great on the right side for us and scored goals. he needs to be a winger not a rcm.

I also hate how everybody calls out for a MVB type in front of the defense. the best form of defense in todays football it possession. Milan need to have a packed midfield, with good passers who play high up the field, press and suffocate the opposition and cover for the overlapping fullbacks. the 4-2-3-1 has always been my preferred formation and i also think pato/pazzini are well suited for it. i would go with (it looks a bit like the holland formation):

.----------------------Abbiati

.----------Abate---mexes---zapata---antonnini

.-----------------nocerino---flamini

.---------Urby/Bojan---montolivo---binho/SES

.----------------------Pazzo/Pato

Before anybody says it, i know boa is missing, i hate him. the guy is an absolute pimp. he has made no effort to get fit, does not look like he is enjoying himself at milan and probably thinks he's too good to be here. Also he hasn't had any competition for a place and it would do him good to make him prove his worth from the bench. also niang can play up front or wide. there are lots of options for the CM's. Ambro can come in for flamini when we need to man mark a trequartista. The only thing we're missing is a left back. I had to get that off my chest now but things are really looking up with niang and bojan. suddenly its not as important to have the pirlo/modric/moutinho players if we're going with wingers, it could realy work tell me what you think.

the problem is that noce and flamini(nowadays) dont execute enough tackles/interceptions and now muntari is injured....since we're somehow in the market i hope we get a real DM and a LB.btw cant zapata play LB....then we can have a CB of mexes-acerbi?

BrasilianMilan · Aug 29, 2012

Seems as though Allegri will be focusing mainly on 4-3-3 this season, I think this can work well, but maybe put El Shaarawy or Pazzini as the middle striker (false 9).

Dsav · Aug 29, 2012

I dont mind playing a 4-3-3, its going to be something different to what we are used to and will take some time to get use to. Aslong as the two front wings get back in defence it can work well. Its effectively a 4-5-1 on the defesive end. I also like a 4-2-3-1 formation, i think with the players we have we can use that effectively aswell.

acerвιc wιт · Aug 29, 2012

Milan should deploy a 4-2-3-1 formation. It provides great balance and works to our strengths, particularly securing the defence.

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