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View Poll Results: Which Bakayoko do you think we got ?
Monacoyoko 43 74.14%
Chelseayoko 15 25.86%
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Old 12-08-2020, 20:08   #621
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a bit long but interesting post about baka i found on reddit.
Grazie for sharing.

If we were to sign him on loan for €3m with an option to buy for €35m, we'd effectively cover the loan fee (€3m) by selling RR to Torino and we have already freed up wages by letting go of two high earners in Biglia and Jack.

Although I can't see us rocking the boat and exercise the €35m option. Should he perform like he did during his first stint here, I think his will would be to remain. And by next year, we have the leverage to lowball Chelsea as he'd only have a year left of contract.


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Old 13-08-2020, 09:45   #622
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As long as it's an option to buy for 35 million and not an obligation. He's not worth that amount of money given his form in recent seasons and the pandemic has changed the market values.

I'd be happy to pay 15 million now for him.


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Old 17-08-2020, 06:44   #623
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Reasons to get him back:

- He's the rare type of CDM that can pull off the anchor role in a 3 man mid.
De Jong couldn't. Monto and Biglia were okayish, until their last injuries.
Ambro became sort of good at it in his twilight years.
But none of them were as effective as Baka.
Only Van Bommel is comparable.
Pioli is not deploying a 3 man mid at the moment, but it's always good to have a plan B.

- His aerial prowess. The team is losing a lot of aerial duels in the midfield. But this trait of his is missed even more on set-pieces. The current team is too reliant on Zlatan defending corners for them. The team is even worse at scoring from corners.

- He's better defensively and a more disciplined holding mid than Kessie and Bennacer.
He's not as proactive as K & B, but their proactiveness turns into naivety at times. There are numerous sequences in almost every match where both our CDMs push up or leave the centre simultaneously. It was among the factors that caused the 5-0 Atalanta disaster. Napoli exploited this as well, but they weren't as clinical as Atalanta even though they scored twice.
UCL and EL knockout stage have a couple of teams that could rip this team apart.
I'll go with Kessie-Bennacer in most games, but I think a Baka type might be necessary against certain opposition.


Reasons to reject him:

- He's pushing hard for a return. This is understandable considering the important role he played here last season, compared to his status in Chelsea and Monaco. But will he be content with a backup role?
K & B aren't injury-prone(thankfully). Last season there were 1 game suspensions due to yellow cards accumulation and that's it.
If he gets tired of warming the bench and tries to force his way out then we'll be in Chelsea's current position.

- Showed up late for training on more than one occasion.

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Do I want him back? Hell yes.
We need quality backups, who can potentially even be upgrades.
We need a defensive midfield option.
Bennacer could be gone within a year. Kessie might/will probably lose form at some point.
The worst case scenario isn't even that bad. Chelsea hasn't been able to sell him so far because of their ridiculous asking price. They somehow thought they could recoup the 45m sum they invested in him. Monaco had a 42.5m buyout option. No wonder they didn't use it.
If he's signed for 20m or less, then the risks are very small compared to the potential reward. Monaco will always be interested in him in case he pushes for a move out of Milan. His salary demands are high, but not too high for Monaco who don't pay taxes.
If we are to trust the reports, Milan has already agreed the personal terms with Baka. That could mean that the new Italian tax laws for new residents applies to him as well, even though he worked in Italy last year.
It could also mean that the English reports from a few years ago were correct. 5.4m(GBP) is his gross salary, not net. That's 2.97m net in UK.
3.5m(EUR) net in Italy. Which was also his net salary at Milan according to the Gazzetta charts.
It's still a high salary for what could end up being a barely used backup player, but I'd take the risk.


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Old 17-08-2020, 06:57   #624
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more pros than cons

we should sign him, as pessina and pobega won't cover kessie and bennacer
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Old 17-08-2020, 23:07   #625
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If Kessie can keep his post-covid form for a whole season I can see Baka benched. But Kessie time here is full of ups and downs. You cant take that for granted and I wont be surprised one bit if Baka displaces him during the season (though Baka himself has serious consistency issues).

Thats one more reason why depth and real fight for starting places is badly need in this team so the team wont be hold back when a player starts underperforming.

BTW in general I really hope the management will not be fooled by that run of form. We need depth and Pioli need alternative tactical plans. A new and more conventional season, shorter, with renewed pressure over the players and with at least 60 games will be a whole different thing.
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