Week 20: Milan vs Crotone - Saturday 6/1/2018 15:00 CET

Alec · Jan 6, 2018

Kalinic v Silva is pretty obvious decision. Kalinic has more experience, is stronger in the box and works more while Silva is still trying to figure out Serie A. I think the smartest thing would be to loan him to another Serie A team where he gets lots of playtime because he needs it for his development but we're not in a situation where we can give it to him.

Don't even compare Cutrone with these two. That kid works his ass off and is always there for a spark of brilliance like that goal vs Inter. He needs to work on his body to become stronger and hope to grow a couple more inches, then he might end up being truly special.

Also fuck the ref.

ibelongtomilan · Jan 6, 2018

LocalHero80 said:
least chance, but he was worse when he was given any chance. in serie at least

wow kalinic must be much better like his last 5 games :lol:

necromancer · Jan 6, 2018

Donato said:
Exactly what I was saying pre game, our strikers are as bad as each other. However Silva has had the least chance to prove himself and his ceiling is so much higher than the other two. I just don’t understand why he isn’t getting game time, he must have a bad attitude in training.

This ceiling business is completely random.

Again, let me try to explain this. Kalinic is an utterly mediocre player. Cutrone is a very hard-working player. But both of them know what the coach wants them to do. When they come out to play, they play 'in the system'. Tactically, they do what is expected of them. Neither of them (Kalinic because of the nature of his game, and Cutrone because he's still very young) are prolific.

Now Andre Silva our adorable shyster, has no concept of playing in a system. Almost every single time when he has come out to play, he has just done his thing and completely ignored whatever style we were playing in or whatever his teammates were trying to do. This is an acceptable thing for a prolific striker like Cristiano to do, but for someone who can't even hold off a lower level Serie A defender, it's just buffoonery.

I really don't think it's deliberate or whatever, Silva just lacks the intelligence to play in a tactical system. He's just very unsuitable for the league.

So if this was futsal or something, I agree that Andre Silva has a higher ceiling than the other two strikers. But in Italian football, from what he has shown so far, his ceiling is Serie B.

We have this fool's choice because of our 10/10 transfer market in which so much money was wasted on a mediocre pivot striker (most likely due to Montella's love for a ball-playing system which was never going to work with the players we had) and a shyster (because Mirabelli got scammed by Mendes). Until we fix the striker situation, we won't get anywhere. But in the meantime, the only good options are Cutrone and Kalinic - in that order.

Colossus · Jan 6, 2018

Samaldinho said:
You can't separate the way the ref called the game and a team's performance. Crotone literally were able to play as rough as they wanted, and whenever they got into trouble, they would collapse and get a foul.

Like that one cross from Kessie, from our right, when he was released by a beautiful Hakan ball--Kessie overhit the cross and Cutrone and the defender are just jockeying for position, it goes over both their heads but the defender falls... foul.

Those things really bite into your ability to play, and it made the team more hesitant. You could see it that it really hurt our bite.

Plus, I still don't get why Kessie's goal was disallowed. I genuinely do not.

Yea the red was so poor.

Kessie’s goal was disallowed because he pulled mandragoras shirt when moving towards the ball to shoot

Alec · Jan 6, 2018

Samaldinho said:
You can't separate the way the ref called the game and a team's performance. Crotone literally were able to play as rough as they wanted, and whenever they got into trouble, they would collapse and get a foul.

Like that one cross from Kessie, from our right, when he was released by a beautiful Hakan ball--Kessie overhit the cross and Cutrone and the defender are just jockeying for position, it goes over both their heads but the defender falls... foul.

Those things really bite into your ability to play, and it made the team more hesitant. You could see it that it really hurt our bite.

Plus, I still don't get why Kessie's goal was disallowed. I genuinely do not.

Spot on about the first situation. There was no contact that justified him falling.

As for the Kessie goal, I believe Bonucci was deemed offside when he headed the ball to Kessie? Because the guy falling down next to Kessie can't be the reason, there was absolutely no foul in a 100 years there. I only saw one replay tough but that seems like the only explanation. Our third goal should've counted tough - Lafiti fell on his own.

Colossus said:
Yea the red was so poor.

Kessie’s goal was disallowed because he pulled mandragoras shirt when moving towards the ball to shoot

If that was actually the reason then we should've been 3-0 up because that was just laughable.

Donato · Jan 6, 2018

Qaas said:
Montella probably frustrated the shit out of him.. cause I remember in the beginning of the season he was very motivated and run tirelessly just like hakan today.. but the last matches he was subbed on he seemed careless..

Doesn’t help when you’re subbed in the last 10 minutes and the team can’t string two passes together either

doraemon · Jan 6, 2018

Samaldinho said:
You can't separate the way the ref called the game and a team's performance. Crotone literally were able to play as rough as they wanted, and whenever they got into trouble, they would collapse and get a foul.

Like that one cross from Kessie, from our right, when he was released by a beautiful Hakan ball--Kessie overhit the cross and Cutrone and the defender are just jockeying for position, it goes over both their heads but the defender falls... foul.

Those things really bite into your ability to play, and it made the team more hesitant. You could see it that it really hurt our bite.

Plus, I still don't get why Kessie's goal was disallowed. I genuinely do not.

Cos ref is a cunt. Thats why

Sognatore · Jan 6, 2018

Kalinic/Silva discussion is like the atheism/theism discussion of rnb

LocalHero80 · Jan 6, 2018

ibelongtomilan said:
wow kalinic must be much better like his last 5 games

Kalinic is just invisible on the field, Silva embarrasses his partners with stupid decisions and bad passing. They think that if someone can play like a noob, so can everybody.

necromancer · Jan 6, 2018

Alec said:
He needs to work on his body to become stronger and hope to grow a couple more inches, then he might end up being truly special.

Really? Isn't he quite tall and strong already?

The only thing I find lacking in Cutrone is experience. Which will help him get much more nimble around some of these defenders.

LocalHero80 · Jan 6, 2018

Sognatore said:
Kalinic/Silva discussion is like the atheism/theism discussion of rnb

exactly. cause both suck

nonsonoqui · Jan 6, 2018

A solid performance. We have grown in the last 2 games. It just sucks we don't have a lethal striker.

LocalHero80 · Jan 6, 2018

Donato said:
Doesn’t help when you’re subbed in the last 10 minutes and the team can’t string two passes together either

Silva though, unlike the team, can't string one.

LocalHero80 · Jan 6, 2018

i think the cancelled goal was due to offside as well

Samaldinho · Jan 6, 2018

I re-watched it, because I thought Bonucci was offside, but when the ball is played, he's actually not offside.

That means the fact that Kessie is quicker to the ball, and isn't a ghost and touched the other player, Kessie "fouled" someone on the way to getting that ball. That's what I've gathered.

AndreiX · Jan 6, 2018

Silva doesn't play because whenever he does, he tries to do too much and he's wasteful. He needs to understand that in order to start he needs to impress with efficiency, not flashy shit

doraemon · Jan 6, 2018

Sognatore said:
Kalinic/Silva discussion is like the atheism/theism discussion of rnb

ibelongtomilan · Jan 6, 2018

Qaas said:
Montella probably frustrated the shit out of him.. cause I remember in the beginning of the season he was very motivated and run tirelessly just like hakan today.. but the last matches he was subbed on he seemed careless..

At the start of this season he was very good after those EL games, much confidence and momentum. Then he got benched countless times in serie a while we did just bad and all were gone. Now he didnt give the chances eventhough other striker didnt do anything better. Cant believe why we so unfair with him.

Buske · Jan 6, 2018

Well, the most important thing is 3 points..but this was far from a convincing game. Our inability to score is so frustrating, it cant be bad luck if its happening every game.

Calabria improved alot this season. He still dont have any ability that sticks out (like speed, cross, technique) but he imroved his game overall. Happy for him

necromancer · Jan 6, 2018

If the goal was disallowed due to a 'foul' by Kessie, that's ridiculous. Such contact is nothing out of ordinary when someone rushes in to score a goal. I had thought it was Bonucci's offside which led to the annulment.

Alec · Jan 6, 2018

necromancer said:
Really? Isn't he quite tall and strong already?

The only thing I find lacking in Cutrone is experience. Which will help him get much more nimble around some of these defenders.

He's sorta tall at 1,83 but I feel 1-2 inches could really help him in aerial duels.

As for strength, I feel he could do better in that department, he really seems to struggle in fighting for position and standing his ground against central defenders. He'll probably never be favored in that situation but he should work on making those odds better.

I agree that Cutrone has limited experience and that's what encourages me because I feel he can be a total nightmare for defenses once he has a couple seasons under his belt.

He has amazing work rate, good movement and instinct. His technique is decent and I believe it will improve but the most important part is obviously the mental game and Cutrone impresses me in that regard.

LocalHero80 · Jan 6, 2018

ibelongtomilan said:
At the start of this season he was very good after those EL games, much confidence and momentum. Then he got benched countless times in serie a while we did just bad and all were gone. Now he didnt give the chances eventhough other striker didnt do anything better. Cant believe why we so unfair with him.

Cutrone is clearly the most useful striker on the list, not even close.

Alec · Jan 6, 2018

necromancer said:
If the goal was disallowed due to a 'foul' by Kessie, that's ridiculous. Such contact is nothing out of ordinary when someone rushes in to score a goal. I had thought it was Bonucci's offside which led to the annulment.

Samaldinho said:
I re-watched it, because I thought Bonucci was offside, but when the ball is played, he's actually not offside.

That means the fact that Kessie is quicker to the ball, and isn't a ghost and touched the other player, Kessie "fouled" someone on the way to getting that ball. That's what I've gathered.

Wow that's just sad. In that instance the goal clearly should stand. What a shit show of a refereeing job. Unfortunately I don't think there will be any consequences for that guy. Just mark down the name Maresca for the future, so we know the type of shitshow we're in next time we play in a game with that guy.

AndreiX said:
Silva doesn't play because whenever he does, he tries to do too much and he's wasteful. He needs to understand that in order to start he needs to impress with efficiency, not flashy shit

Yeah he dwells on the ball too much and bogs down the game. We need players that speed up our play toward the goal before the opposing team sits in their own third in 1-5-5 formation.

Sage · Jan 6, 2018

hopefully they don't pump cutrone with steroids like they did with pato and ruin him.

Qaas · Jan 6, 2018

Donato said:
Doesn’t help when you’re subbed in the last 10 minutes and the team can’t string two passes together either

True

ibelongtomilan said:
At the start of this season he was very good after those EL games, much confidence and momentum. Then he got benched countless times in serie a while we did just bad and all were gone. Now he didnt give the chances eventhough other striker didnt do anything better. Cant believe why we so unfair with him.

Also true.

ibelongtomilan · Jan 6, 2018

LocalHero80 said:
Cutrone is clearly the most useful striker on the list, not even close.

Cutrone better atm in serie a i agree but he got figured out easily sometimes he just couldn't find a way to get the ball. He can be miss or hit but we cant relies on this guy every games like our savior. He need more time. And other striker deserves to get some chances.

LocalHero80 · Jan 6, 2018

ibelongtomilan said:
Cutrone better atm in serie a i agree but he got figured out easily sometimes he just couldn't find a way to get the ball. He can be miss or hit but we cant relies on this guy every games like our savior. He need more time. And other striker deserves to get some chances.

its silvas and kalinic's fault that he is being picked for the saviour role. We do need to give another striker a chance, but we have to buy one first.

Samaldinho · Jan 6, 2018

Gennaro Gattuso

“We were coming off a period that wasn’t great, so needed to give a sense of consistency to our results. I only celebrate when you win the match, otherwise it’s meaningless,” the Coach told Sky Sport Italia.

“We played a great game for 70 minutes, but then made far too many mistakes and risked throwing it all away. We ran so many risks at the end.

“I make my decisions based on how the lads train midweek and the desire to win. It’s not just about fitness levels, but whoever deserves a place will play in my team.

“I am very satisfied and happy with the way the lads have worked and from the first day they have been ready to do anything I asked.”

VooDooDoll · Jan 6, 2018

first game of second half of the season ... next 18 wins please :thumbsup:

Alec · Jan 6, 2018

Sage said:
hopefully they don't pump cutrone with steroids like they did with pato and ruin him.

I don't think that's what did Pato in. Steroids seem to work just fine for athletes everywhere.

But I do agree, I'd rather have Cutrone stay clear of PEDs, albeit for ethical reasons. He can easily put on 5kg of muscle without any exorbitant stress over a 2-3 year period and get used to his body the natural way.

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