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:lol::fp: Comparing fee for 12yo Messi 14 years ago to a couple mil for Niang/Vergara when other quality players their age sell for tens of millions.

niang and vergara were signed at 17.


in niang's case significantly before his 18th bday.


go look at half arsenal's signings at 17 or so, fees and what they end up
 

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People without any sense shouldn't propagate others not having it.
 

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as is whatever the heck we played for niang who had barely played more than a couple caps and was 17, or same for mastour or calvano or others.


My point is kojak's argument is stupid.


They were all very good for their age, but you can't predict future. Ex A: Calvano was rated by sacchi as best u18 italian talent and a sure star. 2 serious knee injuries later (bad luck) who knows where he goes?

Mastour looks very impressive for his age, but who knows if other kids catch up to him etc.

Same could be said for niang, so writing him off as a sham is stupid, he's young he's figuring it out.
I agree with his "stupid argument".

The thing is that the 'highly rated youngsters' are also co$tly
I'm sure the vast majority of us, if we're honest knew nothing about Niang.....however we all knew who Neymar was at his age. And generally speaking that's how it goes with young talents....the same way it goes for any player. You get what you play for. Whether or not they will be successful is another issue entirely.

What costs clubs are what qualities a player has or the qualities the player shows the potential to develop. Sure a lot of Lulinhas, Kerlons, Andersons, Quaresma's end up not being worth the investment....but then again NO investment is risk free. As with any investment, it's better to invest in the players who show the promise of succeeding than those who don't.

Kojack's point is that he hasn't seen anything from Niang to suggest that he will be anything special and I can certainly see his POV. Niang has to improve practically on EVERYTHING to become a player of note, let alone a superstar.

Personally this is not how I think because I believe that he has the ambition and will to succeed. I see in him a fair bit of pace and possibly dribbling technique. However his shooting is off, as is his passing AND his composure. He looks NOTHING like a young Pato/Balotelli and hence it makes fucking sense that he costs nothing.

The fact that he came for nothing...and could be sold later for a couple million is entirely inconsequential and given the costs we spend on grooming a kid like him....I'm not even sure if we even make anything worth talking about.
 

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People without any sense shouldn't propagate others not having it.


How about YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP IF YOU HAVE NO CONTRIBUTION TO a discussion? You always wander into a discussion to comment on other posters :fp: and it's always the posters that disagree with your personal bias (aka taskforce agenda)

Again: please for the love of sanity SHUT THE FUCK UP!! :)
 

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future italy captain. :g:
 

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How about YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP IF YOU HAVE NO CONTRIBUTION TO a discussion? You always wander into a discussion to comment on other posters :fp: and it's always the posters that disagree with your personal bias (aka taskforce agenda)

Again: please for the love of sanity SHUT THE FUCK UP!! :)

Ignore list?
 

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If you're having problems explaining basic principles to the #taskforce community, there's a crucial element you're neglecting.

Common sense means nothing to them. It's all about inner mechanics :proud:

It should be beyond obvious :mb: that you generally have to pay for higher quality...but not to them. Sure there are often the bargain buys, the steals of a deal and "bang for your buck" buys....but more often than not to get for quality you have to pay for it.

You can't get Ferarri quality at a Subaru dealership

:lol::lol::lol::thumbsup: Thanks for enlightening me. Thought these 2 muppets were trolling hard, guess I was wrong. Difficult to believe some people ARE actually that stupid.

And yeah generally you get what you pay for. Of course you can get lucky once in a while but not all the time.

We bought Gabriel, Vergara + Niang for peanuts and sent them packing. Whereas the last time we shelled out big bucks for youngsters (SES + Pato) they delivered. Funny that.
 

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How about YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP IF YOU HAVE NO CONTRIBUTION TO a discussion? You always wander into a discussion to comment on other posters :fp: and it's always the posters that disagree with your personal bias (aka taskforce agenda)

Again: please for the love of sanity SHUT THE FUCK UP!! :)

I have no affiliations to the taskforce.

And no it's not against people I disagree with, it's people who say stupid shit.
 

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How about YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP IF YOU HAVE NO CONTRIBUTION TO a discussion? You always wander into a discussion to comment on other posters :fp: and it's always the posters that disagree with your personal bias (aka taskforce agenda)

Again: please for the love of sanity SHUT THE FUCK UP!! :)

:lol::lol::lol::thumbsup: Well said. Wish someone would ban that annoying fucker.
 

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Why don't you guys have to contribute to the discussions?

All you do is write incoherently, cluttering the threads.
 

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What about Bale?

Moved to Tottenham as a hyped youngster, was an awful bad-luck charm where they didn't win in the first like 30 games he played ...

then .. you know the rest. And Bale truly arrived on the scene when he was around 20/21.

You know, 2 years older than Niang is now. Before that he was written off.

Good example.
 

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What about Bale?

Moved to Tottenham as a hyped youngster, was an awful bad-luck charm where they didn't win in the first like 30 games he played ...

then .. you know the rest. And Bale truly arrived on the scene when he was around 20/21.

You know, 2 years older than Niang is now. Before that he was written off.

same could be said of cristiano ronaldo who really did nothing more than step overs.

And heck is age niang is now on his man utd arrival



What about el shaarawy year 1?
 

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^^ Lol you guys are a joke comparing Niang's situation with Bale now Ronaldo.

Bale + Ronaldo cost £12.5m as teenagers whereas Niang cost £2.5m.

That's 5X the cost which is why they're 5(0)X the players.
 

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who cares how good he is atm or can be, how effective he is or can be is more important.
 

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same could be said of cristiano ronaldo who really did nothing more than step overs.

And heck is age niang is now on his man utd arrival



What about el shaarawy year 1?
:fp::thumbsdown::fp::fp::thumbsdown::fp:
CR7 was soooo good @ 17 years old the fucking PLAYERS begged SAF to sign him :head:
His technique was never the problem as opposed to Niang who's technique is questionable. Also CR7 was signed for €15 million and scored 5 goals as an 18 year old for Lisbon

SES was signed for €10 million
So Kojak's point still stands
^^ Lol you guys are a joke comparing Niang's situation with Bale now Ronaldo.

Bale + Ronaldo cost £12.5m as teenagers whereas Niang cost £2.5m.

That's 5X the cost which is why they're 5(0)X the players.
:thumbsup:
but go easy on them....not everybody is blessed with a command of the obvious :)
 
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There is, literally, no correlation between a players transfer fee at ages sub-19 and future success. Any attempt to find one is misguided, at best.

Perhaps there is a correlation between a players POTENTIAL at that age, and the transfer fee's attributed to him.
 

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There is, literally, no correlation between a players transfer fee at ages sub-19 and future success. Any attempt to find one is misguided, at best.

Perhaps there is a correlation between a players POTENTIAL at that age, and the transfer fee's attributed to him.

Higher Transfer Fee is based on Higher Potential
Higher Potential means higher probability of becoming a great player
Higher Probability of a being a great player means success

- The correlation isn't exact..because you need the mentality....which bears no correlation to talent/potential.

- Then there's physique. A kid beating his peers at ages 12-18 who retains the physique of a 12-18 year old has less chance of succeeding regardless of his talent of potential. Of course this factors into the correlation...because you pay more for the taller/stronger and faster players.

-Then there's durability, which is a gigantic wild card.

So the correlation isn't direct or exactly linear but there IS a correlation IMHO.
 

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Higher Transfer Fee is based on Higher Potential
Higher Potential means higher probability of becoming a great player
Higher Probability of a being a great player means success

- The correlation isn't exact..because you need the mentality....which bears no correlation to talent/potential.

- Then there's physique. A kid beating his peers at ages 12-18 who retains the physique of a 12-18 year old has less chance of succeeding regardless of his talent of potential. Of course this factors into the correlation...because you pay more for the taller/stronger and faster players.

-Then there's durability, which is a gigantic wild card.

So the correlation isn't direct or exactly linear but there IS a correlation IMHO.

:thumbsup: Correct. How the fuck people aren't getting this is beyond me.

Let them live in their cocoons whilst in the real world transfer fees get higher as players get younger.
 

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Higher Transfer Fee is based on Higher Potential
Higher Potential means higher probability of becoming a great player
Higher Probability of a being a great player means success

- The correlation isn't exact..because you need the mentality....which bears no correlation to talent/potential.

- Then there's physique. A kid beating his peers at ages 12-18 who retains the physique of a 12-18 year old has less chance of succeeding regardless of his talent of potential. Of course this factors into the correlation...because you pay more for the taller/stronger and faster players.

-Then there's durability, which is a gigantic wild card.

So the correlation isn't direct or exactly linear but there IS a correlation IMHO.

You started with points I don't think anyone can disagree on, but then added a bunch of different contingencies that are random. At the end of the day, its at BEST very loose. At worst, its a crap shoot.

And when you consider all the data that goes against these factors, eg... players who flew under the radar and ended up being fantastic world class players, again you might as well say its a crap shoot.

We've established on thing: having a higher transfer fee when you are young means there is a small chance you might turn out to be a great player. Hardly a point I'd beat my chest about or rest my case on.
 

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perfect chromosomal arrangement don't guarantee succes
 

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CR7 was soooo good @ 17 years old the fucking PLAYERS begged SAF to sign him :head:
His technique was never the problem as opposed to Niang who's technique is questionable. Also CR7 was signed for €15 million and scored 5 goals as an 18 year old for Lisbon

SES was signed for €10 million
So Kojak's point still stands

:thumbsup:
but go easy on them....not everybody is blessed with a command of the obvious :)

Naing scored 5 as a 17 year old at Caen, and is the 2nd youngest scorer in Ligue 1 history

Naing was also sold for less than his value because his father's lawyer was challenging his contract, so they wanted to get money when they could.

With Naing's Coppa goal he is also the 2nd youngest player to score in Milan history
 

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Way ahead of you (since last year tbh) but I clicked "view post" :D:fp:

Disappointed. Some things you treat with importance. Some things you treat with ignorance; others with indifference. Some things, you just don't treat with, at all.
 

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