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Old 02-02-2019, 13:24   #221
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At his absolute best Shevchenko scored 9 goals in a season for Milan in UCL.



People score 9 goals in group stages these days.



The standards are just higher.



Kaka' prime is the only one that can stake a claim to being a balon d'or top 3 today.



Plus i'll wait till the season ends and the balon d'or list comes out end of 2019 before I make a call.



As far as 2018 goes he would be 8th or 9th. Below Varane.
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Old 02-02-2019, 13:30   #222
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At his absolute best Shevchenko scored 9 goals in a season for Milan in UCL.

People score 9 goals in group stages these days.


The standards are just higher.
what makes you think he wouldn't ?

you can't compare the stats of players across generations, you have to look at how they played. young sheva was relentless. kane is considered a top 10 balon d'or player and the only thing he's better at than sheva is passing

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Kaka' prime is the only one that can stake a claim to being a balon d'or top 3 today.
is there any currently active player that has Kaka's combo of pace, passing and shooting ?

since balon d'or takes into account the player's team performance, I have no doubt that a CL winning team lead by Sheva would result in sheva winning it and a CL winning team lead by Kaka would result in Kaka winning it. And both would be capable of leading teams to a win.

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As far as 2018 goes he would be 8th or 9th. Below Varane.
if varane played in the early 2000s he wouldn't even dream of making the shortlist
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Old 02-02-2019, 13:39   #223
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At his absolute best Shevchenko scored 9 goals in a season for Milan in UCL.

People score 9 goals in group stages these days.

The standards are just higher.

Kaka' prime is the only one that can stake a claim to being a balon d'or top 3 today.

Plus i'll wait till the season ends and the balon d'or list comes out end of 2019 before I make a call.

As far as 2018 goes he would be 8th or 9th. Below Varane.
competition was harder back then. Better defenders. who are the best defenders right now again?
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Old 02-02-2019, 13:40   #224
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what makes you think he wouldn't ?

you can't compare the stats of players across generations, you have to look at how they played. young sheva was relentless. kane is considered a top 10 balon d'or player and the only thing he's better at than sheva is passing



is there any currently active player that has Kaka's combo of pace, passing and shooting ?

since balon d'or takes into account the player's team performance, I have no doubt that a CL winning team lead by Sheva would result in sheva winning it and a CL winning team lead by Kaka would result in Kaka winning it. And both would be capable of leading teams to a win.



if varane played in the early 2000s he wouldn't even dream of making the shortlist
kaka and rpnaldinho in their absolute peak condition wer3 easily as good as messi and ronaldo.
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Old 02-02-2019, 13:49   #225
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kaka and rpnaldinho in their absolute peak condition wer3 easily as good as messi and ronaldo.

Messi at his peak was a god.


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what makes you think he wouldn't ?

you can't compare the stats of players across generations, you have to look at how they played. young sheva was relentless. kane is considered a top 10 balon d'or player and the only thing he's better at than sheva is passing
Most top strikers are relentless these days. Back then it was an outlier, today it is the norm. From Suarez to Mandzukic, doesn't matter the age or physical structure, high output is the norm.

On that note, I looked at the actual list from last year. With due respect Sheva never had seasons like the top 7 on it. Messi was 5th and Shevchenko never had a season like the last 10 years Messi has produced.

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is there any currently active player that has Kaka's combo of pace, passing and shooting ?
There are a few but Kaka would be able to compete with them toe to toe. Garreth Bale would be in the same category. Unfortunately, he is usually out injured but he has completely changed madrid's fortune after arrival. Goal or assist in 3/4 finals they have played plus consistent big game player. Took wales to semis of euros etc etc. Beautiful player.

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since balon d'or takes into account the player's team performance, I have no doubt that a CL winning team lead by Sheva would result in sheva winning it and a CL winning team lead by Kaka would result in Kaka winning it. And both would be capable of leading teams to a win.

if varane played in the early 2000s he wouldn't even dream of making thet shortlist
Since balon d'or takes into account team performance, a guy winning 3 UCL in a row and a world cup as the integral part of both central defenses would probably make the list.

In fact, if I remember correctly, the balon d'or was given to a defender whose only accomplishments were a few good world cup games. His club accomplishment was relegation.
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Old 02-02-2019, 13:51   #227
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competition was harder back then. Better defenders. who are the best defenders right now again?
Shevchenko scored plenty of goals against Turkish hamrolls in Europe.

Too bad he didnt score in Turkey when we actually wanted him to.
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Messi at his peak was a god.
Not even top 3.


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Not even top 3.
Seriously, Messi scored 90+ goals in all official games in 2012. I know Iniesta played a big role on that, but still he was just too good for everyone else.

Dinho's was more powerful, technically gifted and more likely to decide a game with a solo against 11 opponents trying to defend, but Messi was the better team player and produced more than twice his ouput.


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Old 02-02-2019, 14:08   #230
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Since we are dicussing Sheva, Dinho, Messi, Cavani, Suarez, etc. in the thread of Piatek, i might propose some other topics.

1) Luiz Adriano, Carlos Bacca, Andrč Silva, Nikola Kalinic, what were their main features, skills and weaknesses
2) Taarabt, Balotelli, Menez, who would you have back
3) Overrated bands in the history of british pop-rock, from Beatles to Radiohead


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Old 02-02-2019, 14:16   #231
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queen were average af
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Old 02-02-2019, 14:28   #232
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kaka and rpnaldinho in their absolute peak condition wer3 easily as good as messi and ronaldo.
As good as Ronaldo sure.

Not as good as Messi tho.


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Old 02-02-2019, 14:46   #233
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Seriously, Messi scored 90+ goals in all official games in 2012. I know Iniesta played a big role on that, but still he was just too good for everyone else.

Dinho's was more powerful, technically gifted and more likely to decide a game with a solo against 11 opponents trying to defend, but Messi was the better team player and produced more than twice his ouput.
cause he had great players around him to make him look better than he really is. His real ability shows when he plays for Argentina. Ronaldo has proved himself more than messi rofl. ronaldo has been a champion everywhere. He is still obviously one of the GOATs but it's more due to his consistency. In terms of ability at their absolute peaks, ronaldinho was better imo. Kaka was on par because he carried an ageing milan side all by himself.
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Old 02-02-2019, 15:38   #234
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queen were average af
Beatles were hardly musicians
Queen, U2, Smiths, Coldplay, Aphex Twin, Radiohead, etc. were all average
Led Zeppelin were an imprssive set of talents, but not exactly a creative force
Eric Clapton was even less inspired
The Dark Side of The Moon ranks among the most outrageous insults to the culture of the 20th century


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what makes you think he wouldn't ?

you can't compare the stats of players across generations, you have to look at how they played. young sheva was relentless. kane is considered a top 10 balon d'or player and the only thing he's better at than sheva is passing



is there any currently active player that has Kaka's combo of pace, passing and shooting ?

since balon d'or takes into account the player's team performance, I have no doubt that a CL winning team lead by Sheva would result in sheva winning it and a CL winning team lead by Kaka would result in Kaka winning it. And both would be capable of leading teams to a win.



if varane played in the early 2000s he wouldn't even dream of making the shortlist

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Beatles were hardly musicians
Queen, U2, Smiths, Coldplay, Aphex Twin, Radiohead, etc. were all average
Led Zeppelin were an imprssive set of talents, but not exactly a creative force
Eric Clapton was even less inspired
The Dark Side of The Moon ranks among the most outrageous insults to the culture of the 20th century
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Old 02-02-2019, 16:16   #237
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Beatles were hardly musicians
Queen, U2, Smiths, Coldplay, Aphex Twin, Radiohead, etc. were all average
Led Zeppelin were an imprssive set of talents, but not exactly a creative force
Eric Clapton was even less inspired
The Dark Side of The Moon ranks among the most outrageous insults to the culture of the 20th century
I think only Mr Milanista loves Coldplay...

Who do you actually like then?


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Old 02-02-2019, 17:00   #238
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Who do you actually like then?
since i was talking about UK, here are alphabetically, some UK albums that i like:

Add N to (X) - On the Wires of Our Nerves
Clash - Clash
Current 93 - Nature Unveiled
Fred Frith - Speechless
Godflesh - Streetcleaner
Hawkwind - Doremi Fasol Latido
Julian Cope - Fried
Mark Stewart - Learning to Cope With Cowardice
Orb - U.F.Orb
Pink Floyd - The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn
Public Image Ltd - Metal Box
Roxy Music - Roxy Music
Soft Machine - Third
Third Ear Band - Alchemy
Throbbing Gristle - Second Annual Report
Van Morrison - Moondance
Yes - Fragile

some of my favourite songs from musicians that failed to release an album which made into my favourites

Bauhaus - Bela Lugosi's Dead
Davy Graham - Sunshine Raga
Legendary Pink Dots - Waiting For The Cloud
Pentangle - Hunting Song
Rolling Stones - Paint it Black
Slits - Typical Girls
Who - Won't Get Fooled Again


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https://clyp.it/t5xgcose?token=9182c...9f95955a0c52cb

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Old 02-02-2019, 17:55   #239
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The Dark Side of The Moon ranks among the most outrageous insults to the culture of the 20th century


Amazing record, Pink Floyd is the shit.
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Amazing record, Pink Floyd is the shit.
amazing performance of sound engineer Alan Parson

I understand that someone who has no clue of what has been recorded in the world between 1965 and 1974 might get impressed from that record, especially if his taste are really into soft-rock with a futuristic production (because such listener would find hard to recognize at his first listen that for example, Soft Machine's "Third", or Terry Riley's "Rainbow In Curved Air" are so much greater that they are not comparable, and he's unlikely make such effort to undestand them because the marketing campaing of "The Dark Side Of The Moon" made him believe he have already discovered "the shit".


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https://clyp.it/t5xgcose?token=9182c...9f95955a0c52cb

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