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Old 22-11-2011, 18:35   #61
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BTW this passage is a must read.

If you want to know why spain/germany are producing most talents it has a lot to do with this.....

Germans completely rehauled there youth systems, 10 years ago( maybe 7-8?) and you can see by influx of talent there. They also benefit from larger population/immigration but eitherway.

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What Sacchi found in Italy's youth teams disgusted him. "I see kids who are 14 or 15 years old who are already specialists. But football is not a sport of specialists," he says. "I was watching the under-15s the other day – 14-year-old boys – and the central defenders arrived and all they did was mark their man. They took themselves out of the game. This is suffering, this is not joy, this is not football. If someone does just one thing over and over, they will get better at that thing. But is football just one thing?"

But while he is anxious to change such a culture it will, by his own admission, take time. Sacchi's aim is to recreate a model for the national team along the lines of Barcelona, where every age group is taught using the same tactical approach and the same fundamental ideas about how the game should be played. "When I arrived every coach was just doing what he wanted," he says. "These kids were not getting continuity in their teaching."

What are odds we can bring Sacchi back to milan as director/coach of youth department?

Kids make it thru sacchi, we'll definitely get some wonderkids like barca.

IT could be potentially best investment milan make into future. More than any transfer


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Old 22-11-2011, 20:22   #62
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The Sacchi School
Posted by Richard Whittall under Tactics on Nov 22, 2011



Paolo Bandini interviewed AC Milan legend Arrigo Sacchi for the Guardian, and while it’s short (any Sacchi interview will always feel short), there’s enough there to warm the heart of any football person of a certain type. In case you don’t know the legendary coach of the one the best ever European sides in late 80s AC Milan, here’s the wikipedia entry (boring), but even better, here’s one of the most impressive European wins on record, the semifinal of the 1988-89 European Cup (most definitely not boring).

Sacchi is considered somewhat of a saint in a lot of football circles, particularly among tactics-geeks in love with free-flowing Dutch fundamentals and his innovative, seemingly world-ending take on 4-4-2. Despite some hefty caveats—his post-Milan career and a style that Jonathan Wilson suspects depended heavily on the old offside rule—Sacchi still speaks to a modern sensibility in the game.

Why is that? Bandini’s interview reveals some of the reasons, which I’ve broken down below.

1. An insistence on fluidity


It’s clear that Sacchi despises the modern, technocratic approach to the game which insists there are rigid positions and that players must learn and perfect only one. Echoing the fundamentals of possession play dating back to 1970s Ajax (or if you’re Jonathan Wilson, Valeriy Lobanovksyi’s 1960s Dynamo Kiev), Sacchi believes the best teams move as a fluid whole, rather than eleven individuals with unique skill sets:

“No. It is not a question of 4-4-2 or 4-2-1-3, it is a question of having a team which is ordered, in which the players are connected to one another, which moves together, as if it was a single player,” he interjects even as the question is being asked. “Today few teams know how to do this. Few teams work as a unit – few, really few teams. They are all made up of little groups. There is no great connection, nor a good distribution of players around the pitch.”

Sacchi goes on to rail against defenders “running after players,” and that their “point of reference” should always be their team-mates. In light of this, it’s interesting this morning to read Thiago Silva’s unorthodox advice for marking Lionel Messi, which makes sense if the defender considers his job to mark an attacker, rather than play a role in total defense with the rest of the side. As Sacchi blithely tells Bandini, “We dealt with Diego Maradona.”

2. A disdain for narrow-focused player development


Nowadays, a player able to confidently switch positions is viewed as somewhat of a curiosity or a freak. There are passionate debates in blogs and forums over whether x player is a winger or an attacking midfielder, for example. Sacchi is having none of it, and thinks football and the Italian player set-up in particular are worse off for this approach:

What Sacchi found in Italy’s youth teams disgusted him. “I see kids who are 14 or 15 years old who are already specialists. But football is not a sport of specialists,” he says. “I was watching the under-15s the other day – 14-year-old boys – and the central defenders arrived and all they did was mark their man. They took themselves out of the game. This is suffering, this is not joy, this is not football. If someone does just one thing over and over, they will get better at that thing. But is football just one thing?”

A player unable to adapt to a slightly less-comfortable role on the pitch will be less-versatile and more easily tactically marked out of a game. Consider the central role of the attacking full-back, a position that defies easy labels and is still central to the best teams in football for club or country.

3. Emphasis on a consistent, national long term player development plan


This is hardly a belief native only to Sacchi, but few stress its importance as eloquently. He believes coaching standards should be the same from club to club (although he doesn’t mention it by name, the last ten years of restructuring in German football would be an apt model for what he’s looking for):

Sacchi’s aim is to recreate a model for the national team along the lines of Barcelona, where every age group is taught using the same tactical approach and the same fundamental ideas about how the game should be played. “When I arrived every coach was just doing what he wanted,” he says. “These kids were not getting continuity in their teaching.”

He goes on to dismiss the recent success of the national team as a bellwether for the state of Italian player development over the long term. The fact there are so few stand out Italian players in the global football pantheon at the moment speaks to this crisis, and the Italian Football Federation should pay him heed (as should the CSA).

4. Opening up of coaching roles to non-players

This is certainly the more radical of Sacchi’s football prescription, but should be music to the ears of countless young tactical enthusiasts who want an opportunity to take their UEFA courses and practice their approach “in real life.” Sacchi insists that anyone with a passionate interest in the game should be allowed to take up a coaching role with the right training. Certainly Andre Villas-Boas, despite his recent troubles with Chelsea, is an inspiring example.

I would stretch this example to include football governance roles (although not in the FIFA, autocratic vein), and football journalist/pundit positions. Players offer a unique perspective on the game, but theirs is not the only word on the sport.

5. Recognition of the importance of financial stability for long-term gain


Sacchi believes that FIFA’s Financial Fair Play initiative, which prevents clubs from posting excessive losses, will allow for a little more stability in football, and a better opportunity for managers and coaching staff to do their job without constant uncertainty, stress, and an obsession with the bottom line.

This makes sense considering Sacchi’s general approach to the game, which emphasizes long-term strategy over short-term success. The seeds of the present Barcelona side for example were arguably sown all the way back to the late 1980s when Johann Cruyff first managed the team. Individual clubs and national teams need time to reap the results from good planning, and the current financial chaos in European football isn’t helping.


http://blogs.thescore.com/footyblog/...sacchi-school/


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Old 23-11-2011, 04:11   #63
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I tend to agree with the observation of Jonathan Wilson. When the questions came up about who would come up top in the game between Milan 88/89/90 vs Barca's recent side. The change of the offside rule could be the difference. Milan was playing during the time when the offside rule was a lot more simpler and there were no such thing as inactive or level with the last defender. You either beat the line or got caught in it.

But I always believe players as smart and have been playing together for quite some time as Tasotti, Baresi, Costacurta/Galli and Maldini will eventually succeed. It will take some time for them to adjust and adopt but they will master it because they are that good. Example Maldini, he played under both the old and new off-side rules and he excelled in both.


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Old 23-11-2011, 09:47   #64
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Old 23-11-2011, 10:43   #65
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http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/edi...igo-sacchis-ac
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Old 23-11-2011, 15:37   #66
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Thanks for posting the interview J. Great read.

As for the comparisons between that Milan and this Barcelona, all I have to say is that they can't beat this Milan, let alone that Milan. They failed to find any penetration in this defense, how the hell are they going to penetrate that one? Nesta well over his prime owned Messi, I laugh at the thought of a fit Franco Baresi marking him.


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Old 23-11-2011, 19:18   #67
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Thanks for posting the interview J. Great read.

As for the comparisons between that Milan and this Barcelona, all I have to say is that they can't beat this Milan, let alone that Milan. They failed to find any penetration in this defense, how the hell are they going to penetrate that one? Nesta well over his prime owned Messi, I laugh at the thought of a fit Franco Baresi marking him.
Yeah, it really hurts the brain to think about how they can't see that.
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Old 19-12-2011, 09:20   #68
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--> "I was only able to do this because everybody at Milan trusted me."
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What are odds we can bring Sacchi back to milan as director/coach of youth department?

Kids make it thru sacchi, we'll definitely get some wonderkids like barca.

IT could be potentially best investment milan make into future. More than any transfer
I read some stuff from this thread, and that also came to my mind. I was about to post it here too.

Sacchi really looks like a man who'd do an excellent job with youth players. Galliani has talked about the "youth solution" sometimes in the last two years, hasn't he? I think Milan has already increased its focus towards the youth, but that's something we won't know for some years. It is very important, and it would be fantastic to have such a legend working on this. Too bad it doesn't look likey...
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I read some stuff from this thread, and that also came to my mind. I was about to post it here too.

Sacchi really looks like a man who'd do an excellent job with youth players. Galliani has talked about the "youth solution" sometimes in the last two years, hasn't he? I think Milan has already increased its focus towards the youth, but that's something we won't know for some years. It is very important, and it would be fantastic to have such a legend working on this. Too bad it doesn't look likey...
From the article above-

"This philosophy marked a difference between me and Silvio Berlusconi, tactically speaking. He thought football was a beautiful game played by skilled individuals and I thought- football was a beautiful game played by the team collectively"
-Sacchi

sigh.... sacchi is right :-/


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I wonder how it would work out if Sacchi came here to be some sort of manager, seeing as Zlatan got into to a pretty heated debate with Sacchi last year. Zlatan never forgets as we have come to learn and if he feels he has been wronged he will remeber it
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I wonder how it would work out if Sacchi came here to be some sort of manager, seeing as Zlatan got into to a pretty heated debate with Sacchi last year. Zlatan never forgets as we have come to learn and if he feels he has been wronged he will remeber it
One thing I've been noticing since that debate is that Sacchi's been praising Zlatan after that. Curious.
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From the article above-

"This philosophy marked a difference between me and Silvio Berlusconi, tactically speaking. He thought football was a beautiful game played by skilled individuals and I thought- football was a beautiful game played by the team collectively"
-Sacchi

sigh.... sacchi is right :-/
Better if the team that plays collectively has skilled individuals
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One thing I've been noticing since that debate is that Sacchi's been praising Zlatan after that. Curious.
Maybe he felt he had been to harsh towards Zlatan or maybe he is just the bigger man.
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sacchi looks really like larry david

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Maybe he felt he had been to harsh towards Zlatan or maybe he is just the bigger man.
Sacchi is just the bigger man, Zlatan doesnt know how to argue, he just goes for the low blow, Sacchi doesnt need any of this crap, he cuts it short.
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Yea Im with you there. Funny that Zlatan and most of his fans argue in the same way.
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