Riccardo Montolivo Thread

How do you like Montolivo?


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People really want to keep a 33yr old Gattuso and have him be a LARGE part of our team this year?

I'm all for Seedorf, Gattuso... as bench players. Role players. Tactical subs. Leaders...

But these guys cannot be regular starters. That's rediculous.

I don't see anything wrong with Rino, Flams, Ambro, and VBomm all rotating to fill 2 positions to keep them all fresh. We even have Urby who can rotate as well.
 

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Gattuso was as consistent a player as we had behind Thiago.

And his impact is ALWAYS missed in any important game. Ask Leo, we wilted like mentally weak boobs when Gattuso didn't play.

Until I see a real form regression (kind of like directly post injury) I will always slot him into lineup in important games. Maybe a bit more squad rotation week-in, week-out though.
 

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Gattuso should only play against stronger team, because he is a destroyer and he was one of the main reason why abate looked so solid, i think the rb has lot to improve but he is learning fast. Adds lot of charachter

Flamini adds mobility and movement, Allegri likes him, he hasnt improved a bit, but i think he will be a very good squad player

Bommel he is a 5 :star: player who will be in the starting lineup unless suspened or injured, he is one of the main reason why we are defensively solid and he has a decent range of passing, best player in the midfield by far

Ambro can play anywhere in a 3 man midfeld he will be vice Bommel, and he can easilly play LCM when required, a great player and capitano.

Since we havent brought any needed players in midfield I am happy with them, because three of them are old and all them provides somethine and there will be a good rotation among them.Ideally i would have sold flamini and gattuso for an upgrade like vidal or schwein :D but I am happy with all four of them and coach is a sane one so he will get best out of them :thumbsup:
 

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Never been impressed with montolivo. What does he actually do exceptionally? Would rather gamble on Ganso or spend big on Hamsik/Pastore.
 

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Never been impressed with montolivo. What does he actually do exceptionally? Would rather gamble on Ganso or spend big on Hamsik/Pastore.


I wouldn't mind us picking up Monty..he's young and is a solid player..for what he had to work with on the pitch with fiorentina he did well..he could easily slide in at LCM for us..as far as ganso, I am getting sick and tired of hearing this guys name..its getting old..I personally would rather snag up hamsik and call it a day but that's not going to happen..
 

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Never been impressed with montolivo. What does he actually do exceptionally? Would rather gamble on Ganso or spend big on Hamsik/Pastore.

I would seriously hope it's not a choice between Montolivo and one of those three. Signing an attacking midfielder like Ganso or Pastore (and Hamsik, in my own view) would still leave Milan needing a player like Montolivo.
 

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Any chance of a mod editing the thread title so that his name's spelled correctly?

It's upsetting him.

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Any chance of a mod editing the thread title so that his name's spelled correctly?

It's upsetting him.

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Now there's no more spelling excuses. He better come to Milan.
 

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I was just thinking.....

Over the past week, all of the talk of Montolivo sounded great to me. Good player, cheap, perfect fit for LCM.

But as I watched our game today I thought of how many options we have at LCM.
-Seedorf, Emanuelson, Boateng(if we get CAM)
Also Ambro or Flamini can play there, or even Calvano if he impresses(Fossati too i guess)

Point is that idk if we should we spend 10m on Monty even though we have so many options for the LCM depending on who we are playing.

The only thing I see Montolivo bringing to our current team over the players I listed above(other than seedorf) is creativity. I am hoping we can sign a creative CAM like Ganso or Pastore who would pretty much solve that problem already.....I am torn on whether I want Montolivo here or not.
 

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I was just thinking.....

Over the past week, all of the talk of Montolivo sounded great to me. Good player, cheap, perfect fit for LCM.

But as I watched our game today I thought of how many options we have at LCM.
-Seedorf, Emanuelson, Boateng(if we get CAM)
Also Ambro or Flamini can play there, or even Calvano if he impresses(Fossati too i guess)

Point is that idk if we should we spend 10m on Monty even though we have so many options for the LCM depending on who we are playing.

The only thing I see Montolivo bringing to our current team over the players I listed above(other than seedorf) is creativity. I am hoping we can sign a creative CAM like Ganso or Pastore who would pretty much solve that problem already.....I am torn on whether I want Montolivo here or not.


Good points..I wanna run boateng on the right and if not getting a LCM then I like the idea of using urby there..he's got speed/pace to have good linkup play with taiwo..his passing is average but nothing some hardwork can take of..he's young and seems like a very well behaved person and player..but then falls back on if we were to use urby as starter we have seedorf to swap out..
 

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But as I watched our game today I thought of how many options we have at LCM.
-Seedorf, Emanuelson, Boateng(if we get CAM)

....I am torn on whether I want Montolivo here or not.

Yup. That 10m can go a LOOONG way in bringing in a spectacular CAM.

I've thought from day 1 we were after a CAM and not a LCM... some others in here have aided me in changing my mind a bit to assume we will bring in a LCM and a CAM.

But if we skipped out on the LCM and bought a top-shelf CAM I'd be more than pleased.

Some don't agree, but I feel like Urby under the guidance of Allegri will really grow and be a more than capable LCM.
 

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Yup. That 10m can go a LOOONG way in bringing in a spectacular CAM.

I've thought from day 1 we were after a CAM and not a LCM... some others in here have aided me in changing my mind a bit to assume we will bring in a LCM and a CAM.

But if we skipped out on the LCM and bought a top-shelf CAM I'd be more than pleased.

Some don't agree, but I feel like Urby under the guidance of Allegri will really grow and be a more than capable LCM.


Agreed..that saved money would be key in getting the AM that we need..urby has all the qualities to fill the left side and while seedorf is here he can also aid in urbys growth..
 

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I was just thinking.....

Over the past week, all of the talk of Montolivo sounded great to me. Good player, cheap, perfect fit for LCM.

But as I watched our game today I thought of how many options we have at LCM.
-Seedorf, Emanuelson, Boateng(if we get CAM)
Also Ambro or Flamini can play there, or even Calvano if he impresses(Fossati too i guess)

Point is that idk if we should we spend 10m on Monty even though we have so many options for the LCM depending on who we are playing.

The only thing I see Montolivo bringing to our current team over the players I listed above(other than seedorf) is creativity. I am hoping we can sign a creative CAM like Ganso or Pastore who would pretty much solve that problem already.....I am torn on whether I want Montolivo here or not.

I'm going to rip your response; but unlike some recently, I am not going to be a twat about it. You can't really make an assumption based off one friendly against a significantly inferior opponent. After all, how often do you see a 12-nil final in Serie A?

Seedorf

Seedorf was on form for about 8 matches last year. To expect that to improve as he ages even more would be not only irresponsible, it would be foolish. Seedorf, like Pippo, is best served in the biggest matches possible, as he will somehow find the fountain of youth no matter what. He does not have the pace or the movement to play as a regular starter. His defensive ability also just involved hanging back and banging the long ball or the through ball to the forwards.

Emanuelson

From what I have seen, Urby is not a central midfielder. He has great pace and insanely good movement, but he best profiles as a LM or LW. His passing is average at best and his vision is average. That serves well in an attacking fullback or attacking wing role.

I would not hesitate to swap him for a better fit. He is a player with great potential, I just don't think he is the player who will maximize that potential with us.

Boateng

Boateng is best on the right side where he can run, defend, attack, and sort of go with reckless abandon. I expect Boateng to be a rotational player this year with Gattuso based on style and opponent.

Ambrosini

See Seedorf. The consummate professional and a Milanista for life. Injuries and form have caused him to slip. He is a substitute at all midfield positions.

Flamini

A solid substitute whose offensive game is poor and his defensive game is poor. He epitomizes industry and seems like a likable guy, but he is simply not good enough. He is a fine sub.

Calvano

Still too young.

For 7-10 M, when you have the option to get a very good player who is a shade under world class, and an Italian national, you jump at the chance.
 

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For 7-10 M, when you have the option to get a very good player who is a shade under world class, and an Italian national, you jump at the chance.

Big picture - Honda or Montolivo at LCM?
I'm only asking cuz I have this nagging thought in my head... more a hope... that somehow Honda finds his way here.
 
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Not as long as he is Non EU....

Well Galliani reportedly said today that Ganso wouldnt be our non-EU signing... of course it could be smoke. but who knows...

I just love Honda. can't help it
 
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From what I have seen of Honda, which is an average sample size, I am not impressed.

He lacks the strength to play in the a 4-1-2-1-2 and would lose most 50/50 chances. He would slot into the attacking midfielder role but be destroyed by centerbacks and defensive midfielders. There was some concern from a member or two about Nasri being strong enough. Honda is even smaller than Nasri and does not have the frame to add mass without losing pace.

Honda fits in best in a four midfielder set where he can serve as a deep lying playmaker, but still be able to drive forward.

I really think his best career move is a move to Spain. I know EPL teams have shown interest, but he will get mauled there too. I somehow see him going to Arsenal and driving against the likes of John Terry and David Luiz and not getting up. Imagine him going against Vidic and Ferdinand...he might die.
 

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From what I have seen of Honda, which is an average sample size, I am not impressed.

He lacks the strength to play in the a 4-1-2-1-2 and would lose most 50/50 chances. He would slot into the attacking midfielder role but be destroyed by centerbacks and defensive midfielders. There was some concern from a member or two about Nasri being strong enough. Honda is even smaller than Nasri and does not have the frame to add mass without losing pace.

Honda fits in best in a four midfielder set where he can serve as a deep lying playmaker, but still be able to drive forward.

I really think his best career move is a move to Spain. I know EPL teams have shown interest, but he will get mauled there too. I somehow see him going to Arsenal and driving against the likes of John Terry and David Luiz and not getting up. Imagine him going against Vidic and Ferdinand...he might die.

To be fair, Honda is 6' tall and 74 kilos... The exact same weight as Nasri.
Nasri has done pretty well in the EPL despite being played out of position for most of his time there.

Honda is the exact same weight as Montolivo, who you've advocated for (and 10kilos more than Robinho as a measure)... and both would be played at LCM (at least that's what I was implying)

Honda seems pretty strong to me. And has the heart of lion.
 
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From what I have seen of Honda, which is an average sample size, I am not impressed.

He lacks the strength to play in the a 4-1-2-1-2 and would lose most 50/50 chances. He would slot into the attacking midfielder role but be destroyed by centerbacks and defensive midfielders. There was some concern from a member or two about Nasri being strong enough. Honda is even smaller than Nasri and does not have the frame to add mass without losing pace.

Honda fits in best in a four midfielder set where he can serve as a deep lying playmaker, but still be able to drive forward.

I really think his best career move is a move to Spain. I know EPL teams have shown interest, but he will get mauled there too. I somehow see him going to Arsenal and driving against the likes of John Terry and David Luiz and not getting up. Imagine him going against Vidic and Ferdinand...he might die.

Smaller? What are you on about? The dude is 6ft and pretty well built. Nasri meanwhile is 5ft 10in and built like a fairy....

You sure you are not confusing him with Kagawa?

Honda is a utility player capable of playing anywhere in the midfield and the attack and he is far from a deep lying playmaker as one can get...

Your entire description fits Kagawa better, so are you sure you are not confusing the two?
 

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Smaller? What are you on about? The dude is 6ft and pretty well built. Nasri meanwhile is 5ft 10in and built like a fairy....

You sure you are not confusing him with Kagawa?

Honda is a utility player capable of playing anywhere in the midfield and the attack and he is far from a deep lying playmaker as one can get...

Your entire description fits Kagawa better, so are you sure you are not confusing the two?

Stop it. we arent supposed to agree with one another. :thumbsup::lol:
Lucky I got my post in first.. I dont feel as dirty now LOL
 

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To be fair, Honda is 6' tall and 74 kilos... The exact same weight as Nasri.
Nasri has done pretty well in the EPL despite being played out of position for most of his time there.

Honda is the exact same weight as Montolivo, who you've advocated for (and 10kilos more than Robinho as a measure)... and both would be played at LCM (at least that's what I was implying)

Honda seems pretty strong to me. And has the heart of lion.

You're looking only at weight...you need to look at size and build. Yes, Robinho is lighter because he is 1.72 M. If he was the same weight, he'd be Ronldhino :lol:

Honda:

Height: 1.82m
Weight: 74 kg

Nasri:

Height: 5' 10'' (1.78m)
Weight: 75 kg

Now frames:

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It is all about shoulder size and frame size and how the weight is carried.
 

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You're looking only at weight...you need to look at size and build. Yes, Robinho is lighter because he is 1.72 M. If he was the same weight, he'd be Ronldhino :lol:

Honda:

Height: 1.82m
Weight: 74 kg

Nasri:

Height: 5' 10'' (1.78m)
Weight: 75 kg

Now frames:

It is all about shoulder size and frame size and how the weight is carried.

2" taller and 2 pounds less... really not that big of a deal. Their frame is nearly identical.

I don't see how this would make him "ineffective" in the EPL or Serie A.

I'll put it this way... Honda is the exact same weight and 0.5inches taller than Montolivo. And in my opinion, a much better, more complete and physical player.
 
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Smaller? What are you on about? The dude is 6ft and pretty well built. Nasri meanwhile is 5ft 10in and built like a fairy....

You sure you are not confusing him with Kagawa?

Honda is a utility player capable of playing anywhere in the midfield and the attack and he is far from a deep lying playmaker as one can get...

Your entire description fits Kagawa better, so are you sure you are not confusing the two?

I have seen Honda about 6 times, mostly on the international stage, which is why I only called it an average sample size. I only have those judgments to go off of.

This entire discussion has taken a very homosexual turn...I'm okay with it.
 

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if we are going to get him just buy him already... we need to get players ready for the season and gel with the team
 

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if we are going to get him just buy him already... we need to get players ready for the season and gel with the team

+1

But allas, our mercato's are never that easy :fp:

All this Honda chat is making me depressed, I hear he's off to Blackburn is it, FFS, mid table EPL insignificance, please tell me its not true!!!

Monty and Honda wouldn't be a bad combo actually, certainly covers a load of area's, then next Summer we actually follow though and buy 2 WC players and challenge for the CL, and a new cycle starts with Milan dominant :cool:
 

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The only I've seen of Montolivo is on the WC. He was pretty static, even more than Ganso was in the Copa America. Also, he tended to make long passes too many times. If Aquilani and Montolivo are the same price, I would prefer Aquilani.
 

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ill be depressed if honda goes epl, i think he would shine at milan and or at series a.
 

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