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Calcio Debate: In Praise Of Lucio, The Colossus From Brazil
Goal.com's Subhankar Mondal takes his hat off for the Brazilian international after his masterclass performance on Wednesday night.....



You might call Jose Mourinho an arrogant old man and you will probably be right. You might call him a self-obsessed megalomaniac whose existence would be meaningless without hitting at his colleagues and you wouldn't be too far from the truth. You might even call him the king of anti-football whose footballing philosophy is based on getting results and not providing entertainment, and you could still be correct.

But call Jose Mourinho a fool who doesn't know what he is doing and you would be as wrong as those idiots who thought that the sun revolves around the earth.

When Inter announced the signing of Lucio from Bayern Munich in mid-July, many questioned the reason for this move. After all, at the time Inter didn't have a single world class ball-playing midfielder or a trequartista - something they had lacked for the past two or three seasons. The Nerazzurri's defensive unit was already the best in Serie A and one of the best in Europe, and Lucio's arrival was not going to make much difference. Apparently.

On Wednesday night at the San Siro against Chelsea in the Round of 16, first-leg tie it was a different story altogether, The game wasn't really expected to be a high-scoring, free-football flowing galactic vintage European match and was supposed to be a closely contested chess-like game in which the defences would be the key. Which they were and among a number of world class defenders, it was Lucio who shone the brightest. Like Evangeline in the night sky.

Lucio was a collossus. He was a rock at the heart of the Inter backline and made tackle after tackle after tackle. His interventions, strength, challenges stood out like high rocks in the ocean. The 31-year-old was responsible for smothering Didier Drogba for much of the game and as one match commentator put it, "Lucio wasn't the captain for Inter against Chelsea but he played like one".


It is not always that you find a Brazilian centre-back stealing the limelight. Brazil have become endearingly famous for producing the Cafus, Roberto Carloses, Daniel Alveses - all world class attack-minded fullbacks - and it is indeed strange to find a centre-back from Brazil hitting the headlines. But for Lucio, it has always been like this. The 31-year-old has always been a collossus.

In fact, Lucio has been one of the few complete central defenders who has maintained his consistency for both club and country for a decade. His European adventure started with Bayer Leverkusen and he was a key player for the German side as they reached the final of the Champions League in 2002; Lucio even scored a goal against Real Madrid at Hampden Park.

A move to Bayern Munich soon followed and so did three Bundesliga titles. An evergreen figure at the heart of the Bavarian defence, Lucio's arrival to Inter at the start of the season was described in some quarters as luxurious for Jose Mourinho, but it has proven to be a mastermind plan.

True, Inter didn't really need Lucio but the addition of the Brazilian has given Inter a new dimension. He can build up attacks from the back, play slightly higher up the backline and given that he is a Brazilian, he can dribble his way into the opposition penalty area.

At 31, Lucio was one of the seniormost defenders on the pitch and was up against arguably the best striker in the Premier League in Drogba, but his handling of the Ivorian and the rest of the Chelsea attackine shoud have taught John Terry and co a lesson or two in defending.

You can rest assured that there was a noob who must have questioned Lucio's greatness since he has never played in the Premier League (and therefore was unproven, like Zinedine Zidane, Luis Figo and Ronaldinho) and until this season has featured only in the Bundesliga in Europe, but if his performance against Chelsea on Wednesday night was anything to go by, then he is miles better than any central defender in the English top flight.

And light years ahead of John Terry.

saw the game, he just made drogba his bitch, but he dives a lot for my liking, but he is a good cb and he loves go forward hope tiago starts with him in wc
 

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Anyone in USA right now... GolTV. . Santos v. Sao Paulo....On! 10th minute.


Hernanes
Neymar
Ganso
Robinho


definitely got my FM hat on right now :D
 

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Neymar centered a low ball for a terrible own-goal. Santos 1-0

So far nothing special from either team. Hernanes has put in a couple good tackles.

Edit: Sao Paulo got player sent off....
 
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Goal Andre for Santos....40th minute


nice assist: Neymar
 

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IOOOOOHH!

Man down, hernanes with a solo effort goal. Down 1-2

Kind of poor defending but still


edit: Sao Paulo tie it 2-2... Header

And hernanes almost scores a free kick, keeper barely got it. He's starting to have a real influence on the game (second half)
 
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Since there is no topic for South American football, I think this is the best place to post the matchs in the second round of "La Copa" Libertadores:

Flamengo (Brasil) x Corinthians (Brasil)

São Paulo (Brasil) x Universitário (Peru)

Internacional (Brasil) x Banfield (Argentina)

Nacional (Uruguay) x Cruzeiro (Brasil)

Universidad de Chile (Chile) x Alianza Lima (Peru)

Vélez Sarsfield (Argentina) x Chivas (México)

Libertad (Paraguay) x Once Caldas (Colômbia)

Estudiantes La Plata (Argentina) x San Luís (México)


All the five Brazilians have good teams and some chance to win. But Libertad, Vélez, Nacional and title holders Estudiantes can be some threat to them.

Flamengo x Corinthians will be "the game of the media". Two big supported clubs, two Brazilian Champions and also Adriano x Ronaldo.
 

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If you got GolTV. Switch over now....

PAulista Final...... Santa Andre 10 men, Santos 9 min... second half just started.... 3-2 score

and this nice little link up between robinho and neymar




Edit: Paulo Henrique's passes r jizz worthy
 
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Neymar is wicked. And a happy Robinho is still one of the best players in the world. ;)
 

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Everyone expecting a Santos huge victory, yet they just win it at higher seed. Very nice job and fight spirit from Santo André players.

In the South Grêmio beat Internacional 2 x 1 on aggregate (0 x 2 and 1 x 0), and Wanderley Luxemburgo make Atlético champion in Minas Gerais.
 
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Everyone expecting a Santos huge victory, yet they just win it at higher seed. Very nice job and fight spirit from Santo André players.

In the South Grêmio beat Internacional 2 x 1 on aggregate (0 x 2 and 1 x 0), and Wanderley Luxemburgo make Atlético champion in Minas Gerais.

Of course Santos also finished the game with EIGHT players :eek:
9 for most of the match

That first half was incredible, and highly entertaining. Santo Andre certainly is a hard fighting side. Santos is incredibly exciting in attack though with Robinho and Neymar
 

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Of course Santos also finished the game with EIGHT players :eek:
9 for most of the match

That first half was incredible, and highly entertaining. Santo Andre certainly is a hard fighting side. Santos is incredibly exciting in attack though with Robinho and Neymar

I watched Grêmio x Internacional, a true little war a very nercous game. I just see the Santos highlights, that ball in the bar at the end must have put Santo André supporters to cry. :eek:

And looks like a great performance by Ganso, very smart moves keeping the ball in the attacking field, winning free kicks and slowing St André. He also showed strong personality when arguing whit his manager about his physical condition.


The Paulista was not that hard for Santos since Corinthians and São Paulo have their focus on Libertadores and Palmeiras are rebuilding his squad. The Brazilian Championship will be way more tougher. I'm curious to see if a so ofensive team will succed against stronger teams, and how playes like André will deal with better defenders. Maybe they will have to change his tatics a little to be more balanced (Robinho will return to Europe after World Cup).
 

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Results:

Final: Aller 25/04/2010

Santo André x Santos 2-3


Final: Retour 02/05/2010

Santo André x Santos 3-2




Celebration:


Top Scorers

Ricardo Bueno (Oeste) 15
Rodriguinho (Santo André) 15
André (Santos) 13
Neymar (Santos) 12
Héverton (Portuguesa) 11
Paulo Henrique Ganso (Santos) 11
Robert (Palmeiras) 10
Eduardo (São Caetano) 10
Geovane (Mogi Mirim) 9


Standings

Team PG J V E D GP GC SG (%)
1 Santos 47 19 15 2 2 61 24 37 82
2 Santo André 37 19 11 4 4 45 27 18 65
3 Grêmio Prudente 37 19 11 4 4 34 28 6 65
4 São Paulo 36 19 11 3 5 41 19 22 63
5 Corinthians 35 19 10 5 4 32 18 14 61
6 Portuguesa 31 19 9 4 6 29 20 9 54
7 Botafogo-SP 31 19 9 4 6 27 25 2 54
8 São Caetano 27 19 8 3 8 30 25 5 47
9 Oeste 2 26 19 6 8 5 27 26 1 46
10 Ponte Preta -1 25 19 7 4 8 25 30 -5 44
11 Palmeiras -1 25 19 6 7 6 31 32 -1 44
12 Mogi Mirim 24 19 7 3 9 22 35 -13 42
13 Ituano 2 22 19 6 4 9 23 37 -14 39
14 Mirassol 2 22 19 5 7 7 24 27 -3 39
15 Paulista 2 20 19 6 2 11 23 32 -9 35
16 Bragantino -3 20 19 5 5 9 37 42 -5 35
17 Rio Claro -3 19 19 5 4 10 24 34 -10 33
18 Monte Azul 15 19 3 6 10 23 41 -18 26
19 Sertãozinho-SP 14 19 3 5 11 24 41 -17 25
20 Rio Branco-SP 12 19 2 6 11 17 36 -19 21


Historic

1902 São Paulo Athletic - Charles Miller (São Paulo Athletic) 10
1903 São Paulo Athletic - Álvaro (Paulistano) et Boyes (São Paulo Athletic) 4
1904 São Paulo Athletic - Charles Miller et Boyes (São Paulo Athletic) 9
1905 Paulistano - Friese (Germânia) 14
1906 Germânia - Leo (Inter), Friese et Fuller (Germânia) 6
1907 S.C. Internacional - Leo (Inter), Friese et Fuller (Germânia) 6
1908 Paulistano - Peres (Paulistano) et Leo (Inter) 7
1909 A.A. das Palmeiras - Bibi (Paulistano) 9
1910 A.A. das Palmeiras - Boyes (S. Paulo Athletic) et Rubens Salles (Paulistano) 10
1911 São Paulo Athletic - Décio (Americano) 9
1912 Americano - Friedenreich (Mackenzie) 16
1913 Paulistano - Décio (Americano) 7
1914 Corinthians - Neco (Corinthians) 12
1914 São Bento - Friedenreich (Ypiranga) 12
1915 Germânia - Fachini (Campos Elísios) 17
1915 A.A. das Palmeiras - Nazareth (A.A. Palmeiras) 13
1916 Paulistano - Mariano (Paulistano) 16
1916 Corinthians - Aparício (Corinthians) 7
1917 Paulistano - Friedenreich (Ypiranga) 20
1918 Paulistano - Friedenreich (Paulistano) 23
1919 Paulistano - Friedenreich (Paulistano) 26
1920 Palestra Itália - Neco (Corinthians) 24
1921 Paulistano - Friedenreich (Paulistano) 33
1922 Corinthians - Gambarotta (Corinthians) 19
1923 Corinthians - Feitiço (São Bento) 18
1924 Corinthians - Feitiço (São Bento) 14
1925 São Bento - Feitiço (São Bento) 10
1926 Palestra Itália - Heitor (Palestra Itália) 13
1926 Paulistano - Filó (Paulistano) 16
1927 Palestra Itália - Filó (Paulistano) 16
1927 Paulistano - Araken 31
1928 Corinthians - Heitor (Palestra Itália) 16
1928 Internacional - Friedenreich (Paulistano) 29
1929 Corinthians - Feitiço (Santos) 12
1929 Paulistano - Friedenreich (Paulistano)
1930 Corinthians - Feitiço (Santos) 37
1931 São Paulo da Floresta - Feitiço (Santos) 39
1932 Palestra Itália - Romeu (Palestra Itália) 18
1933 Palestra Itália - Waldemar de Brito (São Paulo da Floresta) 21
1934 Palestra Itália - Romeu (Palestra Itália) 18
1935 Santos - Teleco (Corinthians) 9
1935 Portuguesa - Figueiredo (Ypiranga) 10
1936 Palestra Itália - Teleco (Corinthians) 10
1936 Portuguesa - Carioca (Portuguesa) 19
1937 Corinthians - Teleco (Corinthians) 15
1938 Corinthians - Elyseo (São Paulo) 12
1939 Corinthians - Teleco (Corinthians) 32
1940 Palestra Itália - Peixe (Ypiranga) 21
1941 Corinthians - Teleco (Corinthians) 26
1942 Palmeiras - Milani (Corinthians) 24
1943 São Paulo - Milani (Corinthians) 20
1944 Palmeiras - Luisinho (São Paulo) 22
1945 São Paulo - Passarinho (São Paulo Railway) et Servílio (Corinthians) 17
1946 São Paulo - Servílio (Corinthians) 17
1947 Palmeiras - Servílio (Corinthians) 20
1948 São Paulo - Cilas (Ypiranga) 19
1949 São Paulo - Friaça (São Paulo) 24
1950 Palmeiras - Pinga (Portuguesa)22
1951 Corinthians - Carbone (Corinthians) 30
1952 Corinthians - Baltazar (Corinthians) 27
1953 São Paulo - Humberto Tozzi (Palmeiras) 22
1954 Corinthians - Humberto Tozzi (Palmeiras) 36
1955 Santos - Del Vecchio (Santos) 23
1956 Santos São Paulo - Zezinho (São Paulo) 18
1957 São Paulo - Pelé (Santos) 17
1958 Santos - Pelé (Santos) 58
1959 Palmeiras - Pelé (Santos) 45
1960 Santos - Pelé (Santos) 33
1961 Santos - Pelé (Santos) 47
1962 Santos - Pelé (Santos) 37
1963 Palmeiras - Pelé (Santos) 22
1964 Santos - Pelé (Santos) 34
1965 Santos - Pelé (Santos) 49
1966 Palmeiras - Toninho (Santos) 27
1967 Santos - Flávio (Corinthians) 21
1968 Santos - Téia (Ferroviária) 20
1969 Santos - Pelé (Santos) 26
1970 São Paulo - Toninho (São Paulo)13
1971 São Paulo - César (Palmeiras) 18
1972 Palmeiras - Toninho (São Paulo) 17
1973 Santos - Pelé (Santos) 11
1974 Palmeiras - Geraldo (Botafogo) 23
1975 São Paulo - Serginho (São Paulo) 22
1976 Palmeiras - Sócrates (Botafogo) 14
1977 Corinthians - Serginho (São Paulo) 22
1978 Santos - Juary (Santos) 29
1979 Corinthians - Luis Fernando (América) 21
1980 São Paulo - Edmar (Taubaté) 17
1981 São Paulo - Jorge Mendonça (Guarani) 38
1982 Corinthians - Casagrande (Corinthians) 28
1983 Corinthians - Serginho (Santos) 22
1984 Santos - Serginho (Santos) et Chiquinho (Botafogo) 16
1985 São Paulo FC - Careca (São Paulo) 23
1986 Inter de Limeira - Kika (Inter de Limeira) 23
1987 São Paulo FC - Edmar (Corinthians) 19
1988 Corinthians - Evair (Guarani) 16
1989 São Paulo FC - Toni (São José) et Toninho (Portuguesa) 13
1990 Bragantino - Volnei (Ferroviária) et Alberto (Ituano) 12
1991 São Paulo FC - Raí (São Paulo) 20
1992 São Paulo FC - Válber (Mogi Mirim) 17
1993 Palmeiras - Viola (Corinthians) 20
1994 Palmeiras - Evair (Palmeiras) 23
1995 Corinthians - Paulinho (Portuguesa) et Bentinho (São Paulo) 20
1996 Palmeiras - Giovanni (Santos) 24
1997 Corinthians - Dodô (São Paulo) 18
1998 São Paulo FC - França (São Paulo) 12
1999 Corinthians - Alex (Mogi Mirim) 12
2000 São Paulo FC - França (São Paulo) 18
2001 Corinthians - Washington (Ponte Preta) 16
2002 Ituano - Alex Alves (Juventus) 17
2003 Corinthians - Luís Fabiano (São Paulo) 8
2004 São Caetano - Vágner Love (Palmeiras) 12
2005 São Paulo FC - Finazzi (América) 17
2006 Santos FC - Nilmar (Corinthians) 18
2007 Santos FC - Somália (São Caetano) 13
2008 Palmeiras - Alex Mineiro (Palmeiras) 15
2009 Corinthians - Pedrão (Barueri) 16
2010 Santos FC - Ricardo Bueno (Oeste) 15
Rodriguinho (Santo André) 15


Meilleurs buteurs

Pelé (Santos) 1958 (19)
Pelé (Santos) 1965 (49)
Pelé (Santos) 1961 (47)
Pelé (Santos) 1959 (45)
Pelé (Santos) 1962 (37)
Feitiço (Santos) 1931 (39)
Jorge Mendonça (Guarani) 1981 (38)
Humberto (Palmeiras) 1954 (36)
Feitiço (Santos) 1930 (37)
Teleco (Corinthians) 1939 (32)
Serginho (São Paulo FC) 1977 (32)


Nombre de Championnats remportés

Corinthians (26)
Palmeiras (21)
São Paulo FC (19)
Santos FC (18)
Paulistano (11)
 
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Can someone post information about the historical backgrounds/ supporters of the major clubs in Brazil? I am starting to really love the Brazilian league, but as a non-European league, I really have no idea about the dynamic of how the teams' supporters and history break down. For example, in Italy Juventus draws a ton of fans from the south due to the Fiat/ employment connection. Milan/ Inter was long divided by working class and southern immigrants vs. Milanese bourgeoise (and now a large international immigrant population). Roma/ Lazio has its distinct breakdown of supporters and history as well.

What are the stories behind the rivalries and supporters of the big clubs, like Sao Paulo, Santos, Corinthians, Internacional, Flamengo, Flum, etc.?

Particularly wondering about SANTOS, I am really loving their current squad.
 

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Can someone post information about the historical backgrounds/ supporters of the major clubs in Brazil? I am starting to really love the Brazilian league, but as a non-European league, I really have no idea about the dynamic of how the teams' supporters and history break down. For example, in Italy Juventus draws a ton of fans from the south due to the Fiat/ employment connection. Milan/ Inter was long divided by working class and southern immigrants vs. Milanese bourgeoise (and now a large international immigrant population). Roma/ Lazio has its distinct breakdown of supporters and history as well.

What are the stories behind the rivalries and supporters of the big clubs, like Sao Paulo, Santos, Corinthians, Internacional, Flamengo, Flum, etc.?

Particularly wondering about SANTOS, I am really loving their current squad.

It's hard to sum it up, but I'll try.

As I posted somewhere here before, Brazilian League just comes to proeminence in the 60/70. Before that, Brazilian football was played regionally, every big State has his own tradition, history and rivalries. The teams were rooted locally. At that time it was more important to beat your local rival than a team from another state.

After the Brazilian league was really estabilished by the 70's, it slowly overpassed the regional Leagues, that become very decadent in the 00's - at least for the big clubs.

At the 60's and 70's the only really national clubs are the one's in Rio de Janeiro - Flamengo, Vasco da Gama, Fluminense and Botafogo - because the National Radio broadcasted the Carioca Championship for all Brazil, specially North, Northeast and Center-west. For years Rio de Janeiro was the Capital and cultural centre of Brazil. The football just follow this trend. At the time FlaFlu (the derby Flamengo x Fluminense) in the Maracanã becomes a icon, and by the 80's Flamengo was the most popular team in Brazil with the world famous team of Zico, and still is today. Botafogo and Fluminense declined a lot since then, and today Flamengo x Vasco is the biggest derby there (also, Vasco da Gama win a lot of titles from 97 to 2002). Vasco was the team of the Portuguese community, but that has changed. Today, they and Flamengo have supporters in almost all Brazil, but Flamengo much more than Vasco, Now Flamengo is most identified with the low class.

Santos just comes to proeminence in Pelé days. Santos is a city harbour in São Paulo with huge cultural influence from Rio de Janeiro. That team in the 50'as and 60's were THE historical team in Brazil. Pelé, Pepe... it becomes a cultural icon in Brazil, and along with Garrincha's Botafogo and Seleção 58, 62 and 70 (at the time a question of politics for the military regime trying to build a national identity). In this scenario the romantic football, or art-football was born.

After Pelé, Santos started to decline in supporters and victories, and just returned to win titles with Robinho and Diego in 00's. So, Neymar and Ganso is said to be the "third generation". They plays that art football style there and RJ: short-passing offensive football, speed, open spaces and small-sized dribblers.

Rio de Janeiro has a big historical role, but São Paulo is the most important State in Brazil, and have the richest teams today. In the Capital there is Palmeiras, São Paulo and Corithians. Coming from a smaller city, Santos never matched them in number of supporters. Palmeiras is the team identified with the Italians, São Paulo with the bourgeoise and Corinthians with the working class. And with the massive immigration from Northeast that São Paulo receive from 50's to 80' (becoming a city with more than 20 millons of people), Corinthians also become more and more supported, altough winning very few titles in 70's and 80's, and is now the second most supported in Brazil - and growing. São Paulo has also a lot of teams in small but very rich cities that come to proeminence from time to time, like São Caetano, Santo André, Paulista, and two teams with tradition and local support in Campinas: Guarani and Ponte Preta. It's hard to say what is the biggest derby, but Corinthians is the most supported and also the most hated there. São Paulo is the third most supported in the country overall.

Also there is Atlético and Cruzeiro in Minas Gerais, teams strong supported in the city of Belo Horizonte. Cruzeiro has much more titles, they are one of the biggest champions clubs in Brazil, but Atlético is the most popular and has the most fanatical supporters. Even without titles (not a National title since the 70's), his support never steped down. In the small towns of this State, however, teams from RJ and SP are very supported, more than Atlético and Cruzeiro.

There is a different case in Rio Grande do Sul, the southern most State (were I live). This is the only State were teams from SP and RJ have no support at all. Rio Grande do Sul is a more independent State, with a different culture, more spanic (from Uruguay and Argentina) and European influence, and his own media. There, Internacional and Grêmio rule in all the State, they have two of the most fanatical suporters in the country and the strongest rivalrie in all Brazil. Here you not just born "gremista" or "colorado", but you born hating the other. This teams plays more of an "anti-art" style of football, more physical and voluntarious, alike to the argentine and uruguayan (if some of you watched World Club Cup in 2006, Internacional 1 x 0 Barça...). Also, here the supporters are not organized like the ways of Torcida Organizada in the rest of Brazil. Here there is Barra Bravas, like the other south american countries - Geral (Grêmio) and Popular (Inter). The two clubs growed a lot this past years, they really can beat everyone these days.

There is also more low rated teams with strong support, but no match at all for the above one's. In Paraná, in the South, there is Atlético Paranaense and Coritiba an interesting the local derby, but not much traditions in National level. In Recife there is Sport, Náutico and Santa Cruz, popular clubs who are now in the lowest divisions. In Bahia there is Bahia and Vitória, another popular derby, but they almost never fight for big titles.

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Sven- thank you so much for that. These are the types of things that I love to learn about football.

When I was a kid during the '94 World Cup, I fell in love with the Brazilian attitude and way of playing (led up top by Romario and Bebeto), even though the Seleção defeated my Azzurri in the final. I have tried to watch as much Brazilian league as I can, and this year I have watched a ton of the Paulista as well as Brazilian teams in the Libertadores. I love the current Santos team: Ganso and Neymar and Robinho.... it's fantastic to watch. Thank you again for the post.
 

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Corinthians 2x1 Flamengo - Copa Santander Libertadores 2010 - 05.05.10



Flamengo pass to the next round.
 

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Trinidad and Tobago
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Ronaldo, Maldini, Nesta, Kaká, Ba, Silva
Watching Santos vs Corinthians...to see Ganso
(Not impressed so far)
 

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