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Old 04-02-2014, 20:25   #4601
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If this continues for a few more days, I'll be convinced that Abate's agent is running a PR campaign through some of you.
oh ok, ummm is that experience speaking with gallianis agent running a PR campaign through you an all?


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Old 04-02-2014, 21:48   #4602
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CB? did anyone say we should play him as CB? he is RB who cant attack thats it, should we release him and search for a LB? I am all for releasing, selling assets which are overvalued and excessive but procurement of adequate replacements worries me.

I wish galliani took more risks. I would like to get hands on a young talented Lb so that we can lock up our fullback positions for years and focus on the CBs
I would play him RCB anyday. He is tough and fast and can be a nuisance to the player he marks. I can't imagine he would get as owned as Bonera gets, specially with the last goal that we lost. I know there is lots of press speculation but I don't believe that anything is decided yet. I also believe that after a couple of games against strong opposition we will go back to playing DES in the left.
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Old 04-02-2014, 22:21   #4603
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RCb Thank god they management and coachin staff has similar idea

he is highly overrated without a very defensive RCM
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Old 05-02-2014, 06:07   #4604
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oh ok, ummm is that experience speaking with gallianis agent running a PR campaign through you an all?


I can neither confirm nor deny the reports that I'm receiving $10.2 per post for the keywords 'Galliani', 'soft', 'fuzzy' and 'cuddly'.


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Old 05-02-2014, 06:25   #4605
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If this continues for a few more days, I'll be convinced that Abate's agent is running a PR campaign through some of you.



Ok, forget the television judgement. Assuming you've played/still play football, have you known which your stronger side was?
I'm right footed so naturally the side I am most comfortable with is a right side and I understand des is more comfortable there.all I'm saying is he has played dam well on the left and for what we have right now abate is a better fullback than urby.if a fantastic lb is bought then ok maybe abate is surplus to requirement but right now our best lb is des regardless of what foot he is most comfortable with.people want santon here At lb and he is not right footed also.
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Old 05-02-2014, 06:43   #4606
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I'm right footed so naturally the side I am most comfortable with is a right side and I understand des is more comfortable there.all I'm saying is he has played dam well on the left and for what we have right now abate is a better fullback than urby.if a fantastic lb is bought then ok maybe abate is surplus to requirement but right now our best lb is des regardless of what foot he is most comfortable with.people want santon here At lb and he is not right footed also.
1. De Sciglio does very well on the left, but it's evident that he's more comfortable on the right. He spends time shuffling the ball to his stronger foot when crossing and that is an extra effort, no matter how trivial. Moreoever, he is a guy who's likely to be to us what a De Rossi is to Roma. I would put such a person in the best possible circumstances.

2. More importantly than point 1, Abate represents exactly what Allegri represented to me last season. Someone who's dependable to an extent, but with a known threshold. If we are ever to get back to the level that we are used to, we must stop depending on players like Abate. His weaknesses are so evident and it is difficult to ignore that. Perhaps a better example is Marchisio for Juve. The kind of dependable player in bad times, but not the kind of player to have in your team if you're ambitiously building for the future. Let us assume that Milan are doing that.

3. Urby, for me, has been doing quite well at LB, improving in every match. Considering the way our forwards are (not) moving, wingbacks' role in attack is quite important at this point. That was evident from the Torino match. Even if there's an element of defensive security being sacrificed (not much, trust me. Abate is not that great. Ask Milito), I would go for the extra precision and proactivity that Urby offers in attack. With Abate, you know exactly what you're gonna get. Emanuelson has some level of unpredictability and flair.

Hence, Urby-De Sciglio is a better combo for me for this project than De Sciglio-Abate at this point. In the long-term, we may want to look for a better LB, but Abate is really not the solution for the long-term project that Seedorf wants to build.

p.s. Santon is mediocre. People are idiots.


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Old 05-02-2014, 11:03   #4607
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RCb Thank god they management and coachin staff has similar idea

he is highly overrated without a very defensive RCM
The one manager(can't remember his name) that people were obsessively defending even when were in the bottom of Serie A table fielded Dinho as a SS, Prince as RW, Pirlo as LCM and tried a formation of 3 defenders with Bonera in the middle and Yepes on the left - just saying.
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Old 05-02-2014, 23:24   #4608
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Abate is excellent defensively and better than given credit for offensively.


He is a top 10 RB in the game right now.

People's opinions of him are going to change when he goes to Juve or whoever after we continue to shove him aside for a painfully mediocre utility player.

I think very highly of DeS and dont think he is better than Abate on the right at the moment. He has way more potential, but there is no reason he cant be at LB right now.


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Old 06-02-2014, 16:15   #4609
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Abate is a euro cup finalist and noticebly improved the azzurri team when he benched Maggio. Urby gives penalties to Genoa and gives us ties vs Torino, they are both also similar in age. Urby is backup only and if we lose Abate he won't be replaced with quality, just some fodder/free player(Boateng for birsa, nesta and t.silva for zapata etc). Not to mention with De Sciglio on the left and Abate on the right we have two Italian starters at the world cup. Not to mention this team lacks depth. And lol at mentioning the Milito goal, as I remember zanetti made a pass that let Milito beat our whole team and Abate was the only one chasing so he gets the blame.
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Old 06-02-2014, 16:24   #4610
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urby descilgio is not clearly the best combination , its the cheapest and may help desciligio develop faster . have high upside thats all but worth the risk

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Old 06-02-2014, 19:27   #4611
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Abate is a euro cup finalist
Amelia is a World Cup winner


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Old 06-02-2014, 19:40   #4612
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Amelia is a World Cup winner
but he didn't play a second for Italy
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Old 06-02-2014, 19:42   #4613
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2. More importantly than point 1, Abate represents exactly what Allegri represented to me last season. Someone who's dependable to an extent, but with a known threshold. If we are ever to get back to the level that we are used to, we must stop depending on players like Abate. His weaknesses are so evident and it is difficult to ignore that. Perhaps a better example is Marchisio for Juve. The kind of dependable player in bad times, but not the kind of player to have in your team if you're ambitiously building for the future. Let us assume that Milan are doing that.
I understand your reasoning but with our limited resources I'd rather we addressed GK and CB and stick with Abate at RB, than try and get a new RB and limp on with the rest of our troubled defence. It's more about priorities than perfection at this moment in time.
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Old 06-02-2014, 19:57   #4614
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but he didn't play a second for Italy
Abate did
Zaccardo is a WC winner and played for Italy.


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Old 06-02-2014, 20:03   #4615
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abate should stay at all costs, I don't trust quaresma to properly replace him.

resigning urby and letting abate go would be a typical move.
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Old 06-02-2014, 20:14   #4616
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abate should stay at all costs, I don't trust quaresma to properly replace him.

resigning urby and letting abate go would be a typical move.
I think that's the main issue I have, as well.

He'd be great if we were a counter-attacking team, where he was only needed to defend and sprint up the pitch quickly - but when he's needed to put accurate crosses in and contribute to the domination over other teams, he flounders insanely badly.


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Old 06-02-2014, 20:15   #4617
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Zaccardo is a WC winner and played for Italy.
Also only man to breach Italy defense
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Old 06-02-2014, 20:17   #4618
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I don't give a fuck about his crossing, we need competent defenders.

urby is not prime dani alves at attack or even 1/10 as good so we can't ignore his defensive weaknesses.
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Old 06-02-2014, 20:46   #4619
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Also only man to breach Italy defense
Zidane penalty too
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Old 07-02-2014, 00:45   #4620
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I really like Abate but I'm not going to cry if they decide to cash in on him & bring a LB for that money in the summer (if that's what Seedorf wants?)

However I'd prefer him to stay, things can still turn around until the end of the season, forza Igna
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