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vB9 · May 23, 2019

@Goodfella

Dont remember Sacchi all that well. Capello? Look at his personnel, the trequartistas you speak of were good as strikers... they interchanged almost... still more than the alone striker deployed by Gattuso.

Carletto? The benched was shared by him and :b:

Zaccheroni won with mostly 2 upfront

I dont remember Sacchi at all - I know Milan from 1992 onwards.

rossonero1 · May 23, 2019

If Milan aren’t in the CL and Gattuso is retained then it’s clear as day this Elliott project is a joke.

rossonero1 · May 23, 2019

General said:
Inter will not win the league next year even if Conte coaches them

You’re acting like the sky is falling when Milan have had the best season and stable leadership in YEARS

My friend, you are losing touch.

Stable isn’t the best word if Leo walks out the door after 1 season. :lol:

vB9 · May 23, 2019

Leo wanted SMS... they refused him.

'They' being Milan

Neruda · May 23, 2019

Honestly Carlo Milans squad was best suited for a narrow formation so i dont see the problem. 4321 in particular

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vB9 · May 23, 2019

Neruda said:
Honestly Carlo Milans squad was best suited for a narrow formation so i dont see the problem. 4321 in particular

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the 1-2 or 2-1 upfront is a different style of football. The middle guy of the 3 in midfield isnt the creative force but a holding type the 2 either side are box to box... and the top 3 are playing around the box which is dangerous and thats wot you want! Fuck wud you want an attacker playing near the corner flag for... not gonna score from there!

Congo Powers · May 23, 2019

carlo had 3 god tier midfielders that could retain possession...so he played them all at the same time. seedorf/ruicosta/pirlo enabled him to play 2 strikers, he changed it when kaka replaced the portuguese and added another dm for the striker

the formation is predicate on the players, whoever the coach is

vB9 · May 23, 2019

Congo Powers said:
the formation is predicate on the players, whoever the coach is

Fucking thank you!

vB9 · May 23, 2019

This is the poorest era of footballers! No great defenders... no great mids.

I mean truly great.

Congo Powers · May 23, 2019

vB9 said:
The middle guy of the 3 in midfield isnt the creative force but a holding type the 2 either side are box to box... and the top 3 are playing around the box which is dangerous and thats wot you want!

but carlo's entire tenure was built on the the middle guy of the midfield 3 being the creative force.....
:monto:

vB9 · May 23, 2019

Congo Powers said:
but carlo's entire tenure was built on the the middle guy of the midfield 3 being the creative force.....

I was talking modern-day why we shud play that formation. Pirlo was an accidental discovery, he was tried as trequartista.

How many times did Carlo play Pirlo and a trequartista with 2 additional strikers? Most times it was a striker and Kaka as SS... the time he did play with 2 strikers Kaka was called back to midfield.

Goodfella · May 23, 2019

vB9 said:
@Goodfella

Dont remember Sacchi all that well. Capello? Look at his personnel, the trequartistas you speak of were good as strikers... they interchanged almost... still more than the alone striker deployed by Gattuso.

How was that a 4-3-1-2 though? Let alone an "outdated form of 4-3-1-2 with classic trequartista and two conventional CFs".

Savicevic had the versatility, which a natural born CF lacks.

Zach deployed a 3-4-3 or 3-4-1-2 and Weah was pretty versatile.

I'm not a fan at all of the way the team plays under Rino.

Congo Powers · May 23, 2019

vB9 said:
I was talking modern-day why we shud play that formation. Pirlo was an accidental discovery, he was tried as trequartista.

How many times did Carlo play Pirlo and a trequartista with 2 additional strikers? Most times it was a striker and Kaka as SS... the time he did play with 2 strikers Kaka was called back to midfield.

the only times that carlo did not play 2 strikers in 02/03 was when sheva was injured

the next season it was 2 strikers, tomasson more often than pippo because injury

all this time rui costa was the #10(!or kaka!) and pirlo regista

vB9 · May 23, 2019

Goodfella said:
How was that a 4-3-1-2 though? Let alone an "outdated form of 4-3-1-2 with classic trequartista and two conventional CFs".

Savicevic had the versatility, which a natural born CF lacks.

Lets not pigeon hole those players... SS, CF, trequartistas... bs FM/modern day terminologies. Point Im trying to make is that they were attacking players who played near the goal.

Players I remember were Ganz, Simone, Massaro, Papin, Sav... they played lot mins together. Thats the point... numbers upfront!

Wot does a 12y.o know of formations... wot Im saying is I dont recall Milan with a lone striker!

Congo Powers · May 23, 2019

vB9 said:
the time he did play with 2 strikers Kaka was called back to midfield.

no..in later seasons kaka was placed as a striker and a midfielder (ambrosini) was put on

Neruda · May 23, 2019

vB9 said:
This is the poorest era of footballers! No great defenders... no great mids.

I mean truly great.

I fear it can only get worst

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vB9 · May 23, 2019

Congo Powers said:
the only times that carlo did not play 2 strikers in 02/03 was when sheva was injured

the next season it was 2 strikers, tomasson more often than pippo because injury

all this time rui costa was the #10 and pirlo regista

This is true. Kinda forgotten my original point I was arguing. Unique times they were...

Id like to see Tonali in the middle 3 and play with an old style no.10 + 2 strikers. If not, Kante in the middle and Lupaq & Tonali on sides.

vB9 · May 23, 2019

oliver bierhoff was there at one time... he had a partner too

Congo Powers · May 23, 2019

vB9 said:
oliver bierhoff was there at one time... he had a partner too

sometimes he did...but the 98/99 season was all a 3 man defense. more often than not the front 3 was flat, not a 1-2

vB9 · May 23, 2019

Congo Powers said:
sometimes he did...but the 98/99 season was all a 3 man defense. more often than not the front 3 was flat, not a 1-2

Im guessing it was a compact 3 upfront, yes? Not this 1 in the centre and 2 near the sidelines. Thats different, that shows balls!

vB9 · May 23, 2019

Hang on... didnt Boban play the no.10 role that season? That was 1-2. Weah was the partner with oliver.

Leo too with the no.10 role.

Congo Powers · May 23, 2019

obviously..leonardo/weah/shevchenko wide in a front 3 will be different from a suso/samu/borini :lol:

Goodfella · May 23, 2019

vB9 said:
Lets not pigeon hole those players... SS, CF, trequartistas... bs FM/modern day terminologies. Point Im trying to make is that they were attacking players who played near the goal.

Players I remember were Ganz, Simone, Massaro, Papin, Sav... they played lot mins together. Thats the point... numbers upfront!

Wot does a 12y.o know of formations... wot Im saying is I dont recall Milan with a lone striker!

This has nothing to do with my point though.
Nobody is saying that Gullit and Savicevic left Van Basten/Massaro isolated the way Hakan and Suso do now to the CF.
Yes, the formation on paper reveal very little about how the team plays, but you're the one taking the numbers too literally and getting confused and mixing up things for some reason.

You can't tell me Massaro's & Savicevic's roles were identical.

Berlu doesn't just want a front duo, he wants two Massaros rather than a Massaro-Savicevic combo. And he wants them to rely on the service of the fantasista/genius behind them. A Dinho type.....or Suso, lol.
This is simply not pragmatical. Not to mention how clueless you have to be to even think that it might work out with Suso.

vB9 · May 23, 2019

There was no Sheva in '98.

Congo Powers · May 23, 2019

vB9 said:
Hang on... didnt Boban play the no.10 role that season? That was 1-2. Weah was the partner with oliver.

Leo too with the no.10 role.

leo had similar apperances boban that season...sometimes zvone in cm, sometimes leo on right/left etc

the back 3 lasted sporadically until even the 2000/01 season

vB9 · May 23, 2019

Goodfella said:
This has nothing to do with my point though.
Nobody is saying that Gullit and Savicevic left Van Basten/Massaro isolated the way Hakan and Suso do now to the CF.
Yes, the formation on paper reveal very little about how the team plays, but you're the one taking the numbers too literally and getting confused and mixing up things for some reason.

You can't tell me Massaro's & Savicevic's roles were identical.

Berlu doesn't just want a front duo, he wants two Massaros rather than a Massaro-Savicevic combo. And he wants them to rely on the service of the fantasista/genius behind them. A Dinho type.....or Suso, lol.
This is simply not pragmatical. Not to mention how clueless you have to be to even think that it might work out with Suso.

Im sorry, Im sorry... Im all over the place here. Pls, may we start over? Thanks.

Right, from I gather you are saying 2 upfront & a no.10 is outdated, yes? Wot Im saying is thats our identity why abandon it.

Take the game to them, I agree with :b:

... 'Attaccare'

No, Massa & Savicevic were not the same... dont insult Sava, man, lol. But Sava scored goals, thats the point, a playmaker who was dangerous, if he didnt score he wud create.

Moggster · May 23, 2019

When Suso and Hakan are sold Piatek and Silva will once again shine bright like diamonds.

vB9 · May 23, 2019

Fuck the no.10... you say playing 2 upfront is outdated?

vB9 · May 23, 2019

Wot Im saying is fuck Pep and fuck John Wick. We are Antonio Banderas from Desperado... we use 2 guns, that was just as stylish back in the day.

Goodfella · May 23, 2019

vB9 said:
Right, from I gather you are saying 2 upfront & a no.10 is outdated, yes?

4-3-1-2 with zero support strikers and a nr 10 without workrate & athleticism is outdated.

vB9 said:
Wot Im saying is thats our identity why abandon it.

I'm saying it's not our identity since that's not how Sacchi's and Capello's Milan played.

They did not deploy a system with a back-four, midfield-three, a nr 10 and two 9s.

vB9 said:
Take the game to them, I agree with ... 'Attaccare'

I do also prefer a proactive game. I do also prefer to see the team attack with numbers. I do also prefer to see Piatek recieve more help from the other attackers.

There are many different ways to do that.
Silvio's preferred way is not pragmatical.

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